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I hope it is an RPG and that it is similar to the Fantasy mmo in that there are several tiers of combat, I also think that PVE and PVP gameplay should be fairly balanced, such as there should be "raids" that would be classic battles such as battles from Armageddon, Tyrannic War, Damocles Crusade, etc. However PvP content should be readily available that would take place in areas such as the Eye of Terror, Armageddon, etc.

The developers should be careful to make sure not to emphasize either side of the game more than the other.

I really hope there are Imperial Guard classes available, and the way to balance them is to allow those players to have a squad of NPC Guardsmen following them around, the Guard classes could be Commissar, Stormtrooper, etc.
Or to broaden it then the faction could simply be Imperium of Man, and include Inquisitors, techpriests, Assassins, Sanctioned Psykers, and so forth.

I'm interested to see how the Space Marines will be implemented, will players have the option to pick a certain class right off the bat? Librarian, Assault Marine, Tactical Marine, etc. Or can players progress from Scout, Assault, Devastator, Tactical, etc.

On my last point then maybe a class system such as used in Star Wars Galaxy (Pre NGE) would work very well. Players would advance through certain content and then on progressing to the next zone be allowed to choose a skill, career path, etc.

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Thank you, thats all!

New request that I hadn't written down yet...

Every race should have a weak "free" troop type. Orks get boyz, marines get guardsmen, chaos get cultists, and eldar get guardians (the eldar option is a tough sell because guardians are individually better than an ork boy or guardsmen.

I think it would be a nice system to get people int the game in their chosen race, and when they decided to start paying, their character could move on to be promoted/undergo gene therapy etc...this option runs counter to lore in the space marines so that would probably end up being a separate character that started fresh (same with chaos).

BrotherVord wrote:
New request that I hadn't written down yet...

Every race should have a weak "free" troop type. Orks get boyz, marines get guardsmen, chaos get cultists, and eldar get guardians (the eldar option is a tough sell because guardians are individually better than an ork boy or guardsmen.

Which would basically mean that women can never advance in rank in any faction except the Eldar-- IE the game is a misogynistic sausage fest, and will probably put off many female gamers (whom are actually rather big in to MMORPGs...) who try the game out only to find out that they're limited from advancing in the game because they're playing female characters.

It's one of the many, many problems with making Space Marines and slightly different Space Marines.two of the factions in the game, and Orks as a third male-only factions.

Imagine, if you will, playing a game where you found out that, since you played a male character, you're not allowed to advance past level five, where female characters can not only advance to level twenty five-- for no reason other than that they're female-- but do so just as quickly as you advance to level 5, and thus will basically always be five times as powerful as you are. So you pick up the game, make your Sergeant McBadass character, and then hit level five and the game tells you "Sorry dude, you're a guy, so this is as far as you get." then dumps you in to a player vs player environment against players five times as strong as you are because they picked female characters-- where you exist for no reason other than to be killed by the people playing female characters in some strange power fantasy.

Do you honestly see players that weren't familiar with your company's IP putting up with this kind of bullgak when they can play a game that ISN'T horribly designed instead?



Or to be more blunt, basically what I'm saying is that they should have just done the intelligent thing and made Space Marines just one class in the "Imperials" faction. It would have avoided this entire nonsense of "if you want to roleplay as a woman you have to play space elves".

Unless one were to make the Sisters of Battle as a female "skin" to the Space Marines.

They'd be more fun as a faction on their own (as there are some differences that would have to be sacrificed with this solution), but the same can be said about the Imperial Guard (where I'd expect higher ranks to focus on vehicles rather than powerful infantry).

I was making my response specifically in regards to the idea I quoted

Sure, sure - just offering a possible modification of said idea, as I don't think it's too bad. Just needs to be fleshed out a little.

Not that the devs are going to walk that path, anyways.

Yeah, the path the devs are more than likely going to walk is going to be far less well thought out.

If the SoB aren't playable day one, there is a better alternative to giving females the power to play as their sci-fi counterparts.

Making the majority (instead of equally) of Eldar playable characters female would give the female base a race to flock to. This along with being targeted, muzzled, and violently humiliated by almost exclusively male sadists who enjoy tentacles, egotistical power trips, and extreme forms of bondage (involving their immortal souls) may seem like a cruel attraction in the theme park of horrors that is GrimDark. Most blatantly of all, it's an epically poetic metaphor revolving around it being "Their own fault" for "Stirring the cauldron of desire, to awaken S/he Who Thirsts that forever preys upon them" we seem to have overlooked as a reason to sideline them by virtually an entire universe of male dominated species.

Perhaps, if marketed right, the selection of a female population in the game may act as a call to action in real life. Maybe they will find release to a pain that feels like an inevitable doom, or join with like minded individuals, survivors, of acts too foul and coarse to the ears that cannot understand.

Perhaps, they will find each other and make covens, where souls are joined in safety, freeing the weight on their minds and healing wounds that run too deep to be seen.

Perhaps, like the Eldar, those women will grow angry at those who mock or blame them, and use their natural grace and hellfury to erase that belief from the world, taking what sustains their Great Enemy with it.

Perhaps, like the Eldar, those women who play the game will awaken to realize their power, much like the wraithkind of their ancestors and smite down their ancient and dreaded enemy. Then perhaps we can all come to question: "What do we really want from our video games..?"

Or they could just not be complete morons and release a good game instead.

If I was making this MMO, I would make rebuilding your character an Eldar speciality. Each Path would have a narrow focus, but include some bonuses while leveling up that are retained even after dropping back to Guardian. Lets say you had to reach level 10 before choosing a path: an Eldar who reached level 10 as a Corsair/pathless then took 20 levels as a Striking Scorpion, dropped back to a level 10 Guardian, took 15 levels as a Warlock, dropped back to a level 10 Guardian, and took another 30 levels as a Swooping Hawk would get better bonuses than one who just went straight 10 Guardian/30 Swooping Hawk without that experience in the other paths.

 AlexHolker wrote:
If I was making this MMO, I would make rebuilding your character an Eldar speciality. Each Path would have a narrow focus, but include some bonuses while leveling up that are retained even after dropping back to Guardian. Lets say you had to reach level 10 before choosing a path: an Eldar who reached level 10 as a Corsair/pathless then took 20 levels as a Striking Scorpion, dropped back to a level 10 Guardian, took 15 levels as a Warlock, dropped back to a level 10 Guardian, and took another 30 levels as a Swooping Hawk would get better bonuses than one who just went straight 10 Guardian/30 Swooping Hawk without that experience in the other paths.

This just smells like a lot of grinding for the sake of ruining balance.

 AlexHolker wrote:
If I was making this MMO, I would make rebuilding your character an Eldar speciality. Each Path would have a narrow focus, but include some bonuses while leveling up that are retained even after dropping back to Guardian. Lets say you had to reach level 10 before choosing a path: an Eldar who reached level 10 as a Corsair/pathless then took 20 levels as a Striking Scorpion, dropped back to a level 10 Guardian, took 15 levels as a Warlock, dropped back to a level 10 Guardian, and took another 30 levels as a Swooping Hawk would get better bonuses than one who just went straight 10 Guardian/30 Swooping Hawk without that experience in the other paths.

That does not sound fun.

 Melissia wrote:
Or they could just not be complete morons and release a good game instead.

You'll have to define a "good game", because you and I are clearly on different wavelengths. Just having SoB in the Imperium isn't even the beginning's of a good game, nor does it constitute a gender equal game right off the bat....

A good (MMO) FPS contains a good matchmaking system, a stable network and balanced, enjoyable gameplay including stuff like recoil, proper sound and graphics.

Everything else is bonus.

Oh mel, it's a game tons of games don't have women. I know it's prob not right buts it's the way things are, and a good game isn't defined by it's gender equality, I don't judge movies or books for this reason. I could easily say that the movie bridesmaids is bad due to the lack of men if I'm going your route.

ITT: People having different opinions on what they like in their games and movies. More at eleven.

...and in this case, just keep in mind on how well-represented women are in 40k.


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 Lynata wrote:
ITT: People having different opinions on what they like in their games and movies. More at eleven.

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Sisters - get rid of the boob armor, it'll kill you. Also it looks stupid.

If Dark Eldar are ever added to the game, put them in armor. Running across the field with your tits hanging out = poor battle tactics.

Oh, and before a lorekeeper tells me that D. eldar are raiders and don't do trench warfare and rely on lightning raids I say The point of showing up to war naked is silly still stands.

Edit to add: Chaos - needs to have Chaos specific units as to no just be a loyalist army with more spikes. Maybe even add in units from the new Chaos Codex, ie:

Mutilators/Obliterators
Defilers or Vindicators, let the loyalist have the Preds
Use use Hell Talons instead of Heldrakes if there must be fliers.

Skilled chaos players should be able to receive chaos boons from the gods if they perform exceptionally well.

AWesker1976 wrote:Sisters - get rid of the boob armor, it'll kill you. Also it looks stupid.

The former is oft-repeated, but that does not make it any more true. The latter ... well, can't argue taste, although I would say there is a measure of expectation that stuff will look like fans are used to.

I mean, we could just as well talk about giving Space Marines a set of non-blocky armour that actually allows them to move their arms more than just ten degrees to either angle and enables them to look through the scopes on their guns instead of just having them for show.

AWesker1976 wrote:Oh, and before a lorekeeper tells me that D. eldar are raiders and don't do trench warfare and rely on lightning raids I say The point of showing up to war naked is silly still stands.

So is sending waves of infantry over a minefield to pave a way for tanks, not wearing helmets, or showing up with brightly coloured uniforms and wearing huge banners on your back. Welcome to 40k.

With the kind of weaponry used on the battlefield of the 41st millennium, it may be that it just does not matter much whether you're naked or wear a flimsy sheet of "armour". And wearing something thicker may well deprive these warriors of their primary advantage around which their entire doctrine and training is focused: speed.
But more importantly, since when did cold logic override contemporary culture when it comes to influencing how people wage war? Humanity is able to provide sufficient examples in that regard. Common sense, by definition, is not a neutral thing, but (in RL) changes with each new generation.

Sending in waves of infantry before tanks is a perfectly acceptable tactic, especially after nuking them and a carpet bombing of artillery. Beats using flaming pigs anyway - even if it is less amusing.

I had this idea before BF3 integrated it into their game and now BF4. I'm super glad they thought of it. I hope that we can see something similar in EC.

 Melissia wrote:

BrotherVord wrote:
New request that I hadn't written down yet...

Every race should have a weak "free" troop type. Orks get boyz, marines get guardsmen, chaos get cultists, and eldar get guardians (the eldar option is a tough sell because guardians are individually better than an ork boy or guardsmen.

Which would basically mean that women can never advance in rank in any faction except the Eldar-- IE the game is a misogynistic sausage fest, and will probably put off many female gamers (whom are actually rather big in to MMORPGs...) who try the game out only to find out that they're limited from advancing in the game because they're playing female characters.

It's one of the many, many problems with making Space Marines and slightly different Space Marines.two of the factions in the game, and Orks as a third male-only factions.

Imagine, if you will, playing a game where you found out that, since you played a male character, you're not allowed to advance past level five, where female characters can not only advance to level twenty five-- for no reason other than that they're female-- but do so just as quickly as you advance to level 5, and thus will basically always be five times as powerful as you are. So you pick up the game, make your Sergeant McBadass character, and then hit level five and the game tells you "Sorry dude, you're a guy, so this is as far as you get." then dumps you in to a player vs player environment against players five times as strong as you are because they picked female characters-- where you exist for no reason other than to be killed by the people playing female characters in some strange power fantasy.

Do you honestly see players that weren't familiar with your company's IP putting up with this kind of bullgak when they can play a game that ISN'T horribly designed instead?



Or to be more blunt, basically what I'm saying is that they should have just done the intelligent thing and made Space Marines just one class in the "Imperials" faction. It would have avoided this entire nonsense of "if you want to roleplay as a woman you have to play space elves".

Honestly melissia can you not go 5 steps without blurting out that something is misogynistic? Some things can be but you have such a dead focus on a lot of this that you sound like you fail to enjoy a lot of things just for sheer focus on if it may be misogynistic or not. Also remember you don't speak for all women. Maybe if you didn't seem to get annoyed about everything maybe people would listen more. Ever hear an angry political talk radio guy? That's what you sound like to me when you get annoyed.

I'll admit there are a lot fewer female characters around in video games and there should be more (maybe a 25%-33% amount of main characters should be female or lone female characters depending on the game type like rpg, shooter, rts and i don't know the entire statistics of male to female gamers but i'm guessing male is still larger). I can understand i've never really been into games with just female main characters though i've been told 'Remember Me' is fantastic so i'll definitely give it a shot.

I always thought tyranids and orks were asexual. Are there no female guardsmen in this? Perhaps chaos and space marines could instead have the sisters of battle and chaos marines could have a chaos sorceress sort of thing going on or maybe some of those traitor sisters (i heard one fell but she seduced other sisters to chaos). That or you could have a slaaneshi daemonette equivalent for women. Just an idea.

Well if this makes you so mad maybe you should form an online petition or something to change it to give more access to women. If i remember it worked for 'aliens: colonial marines' though many didn't like that game .

Also if playing as a female bothers every guy then why do guys play tomb raider. If i remember lara croft has been made less over-sexualized. Besides for every big burly dude waving his stick around while half clothed there's probably a woman enjoying that too. I hear women love '300' for all the muscled half-naked men. Sheesh it's not like guys are the only pervs out there. Wouldn't be surprised if i heard some women whistling.

I know you'll probably be super mad at this but i don't really care anymore.

Also just so you know in 'xcom: enemy unknown' they have an achievement you can only unlock if you have an all female squad (though i feel the game mostly represented quite a few female characters aside that flaw with an achievement just they don't need to boast it so much). I could not get an achievement for an all male squad. My problem with this approach is people try to have all female groups even with the 'frag dolls' way back. I find this counter-productive. If women want equal footing they shouldn't have a special group but rather be in the same. There's no reason why there needs to be an all female group advertised as being super-progressive and forward thinking as it isn't.

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Anyway i'll see what's happened to this game if anything. I haven't really paid much attention to anything 40k since THQ was shut down. For the most part i've basically been under a rock with most gaming news and pop culture so i probably get my news half-baked .

 DemetriDominov wrote:
Sending in waves of infantry before tanks is a perfectly acceptable tactic, especially after nuking them and a carpet bombing of artillery. Beats using flaming pigs anyway - even if it is less amusing.

I had this idea before BF3 integrated it into their game and now BF4. I'm super glad they thought of it. I hope that we can see something similar in EC.

I saw that in a few free to play games as well. I can see it being done half-decently, but I have trouble seeing it done decently in an MMO setting.

 Melissia wrote:

 DemetriDominov wrote:
Sending in waves of infantry before tanks is a perfectly acceptable tactic, especially after nuking them and a carpet bombing of artillery. Beats using flaming pigs anyway - even if it is less amusing.

I had this idea before BF3 integrated it into their game and now BF4. I'm super glad they thought of it. I hope that we can see something similar in EC.

I saw that in a few free to play games as well. I can see it being done half-decently, but I have trouble seeing it done decently in an MMO setting.

Correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't BF2 have this feature already?

DemetriDominov wrote:Sending in waves of infantry before tanks is a perfectly acceptable tactic, especially after nuking them and a carpet bombing of artillery.

Ah, but we're not talking assault, we're talking clearing minefields.

Soladrin wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't BF2 have this feature already?

Yup.
Makes you wonder if it was purposefully left out of BF3 just so BF4 would have more features to show.

May I suggest this topic be closed and we just keep it all in the one thread? The developers have even graced us with replying on there. Don't really see a point to there being two threads for this.

Good point. On that note, wasn't there a third thread over in Dakka General, too?

Probably? Don't go there anymore these days. Though I'd assume it would've been either locked or moved due to it being the wrong forum.

Aye, it seems to me a better idea to keep ideas contained in the one thread. Locking this one down.