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Nope i meant for original poster

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Starcraft was originally an RTS version of 40k, but it dropped out of development and Blizzard liked the marine and space bug idea, so they "tweaked" them and made Starcraft.

Terran = Marines, literally. The Siege Tank and the Flier options (in both SC games) are the only oddballs, every other unit can be pieced into a Space Marine codex (would be weird to have a siege tank in 40k though...take a turn to deploy then shoot a crazy strong weapon but you take a turn to undeploy to get away)

Zerg = Nids, nothing surprising here. They do have significant differences though. Zerg are a bit more swarm heavy while Nidz are big bug heavy. Also zerg have air that actually works lol (lookin at you Harpies...)

Protoss...some people are saying Eldar but actually i think theyre closer to Tau even though i think this race was (note, personal opinion i know nothing on this fact-wise) entirely made up by blizzard to be the "little green alien" we all think of. Every time i look at my tau i keep thinking i should remodel them to be protoss lol...make the drones look like Probes, Devilfish into a Shuttle, Pirhana into a Phoenix, or Hammerhead into a Dragoon/Immortal (depending on weapon). Riptide could be an Archon i guess. My only issue is wtf would Firewarriors be lol because they are NOT zealots.

EDIT: Crisis Suits into Stalkers

This is just a false rumor, starcraft was going to be a starwars game.

Aliens > Nids > Zerg > Flood
Colonial Marines > Space Marines > Terran > UNSC
Predator > Eldar > Protoss > Covenant

and to a lesser extent

Arachnids
Mobile Infantry
Skinnies

Everyone copies everyone and Nids solo all of the above.

 Zande4 wrote:
Aliens > Nids > Zerg > Flood
Colonial Marines > Space Marines > Terran > UNSC
Predator > Eldar > Protoss > Covenant

and to a lesser extent

Arachnids
Mobile Infantry
Skinnies

Everyone copies everyone and Nids solo all of the above.

Really? more like:

Myths>Lord of the rings>Fantasy/scifi books>Warhammer fantasy> then goes to branches:

Starship Troopers (the book) > Space Marines > Terran > Master Chief
Starship Troopers (the Book) > aliens/nids > zerg > flood/headcrabs from halflife
Elves > Eldar/DE > Protoss (are you kidding me!!! ARchons with "shadow fields" and all, psychic powers, reviving the dead in pods (ie wraiths), hover crafts), Reavers, Zealots are obviously banshees, Dark Templars: Harlies duh) > covenant

qballony wrote:
Protoss (are you kidding me!!! ARchons with "shadow fields"

Starcraft had Archons with Shadowfields in 1998, the same year Dark Eldar were released. it's pretty much impossible either influenced the other - neither development team would have shared notes. It's merely coincidence.

 Zande4 wrote:
Aliens > Nids > Zerg > Flood
Colonial Marines > Space Marines > Terran > UNSC
Predator > Eldar > Protoss > Covenant

and to a lesser extent

Arachnids
Mobile Infantry
Skinnies

Everyone copies everyone and Nids solo all of the above.

Not quite.

Metroids>Tyranids>Necromorphs>Zerg>Arachnids>Game Flood>Xenomorphs.

Samus Aran>>>>>>>>>>>>>Crysis Nanosuit>Space Marines>Captain America>HALO Spartans>Starcraft Marines>Colonial Marines

Metroid Space pirates>Eldar>Protoss>The Ceph from Crysis>Covenant>Yajuta Empire>Movie Chitauri

What matters here is how much firepower you can take and dish out and how many creature you can pump out. The Protoss have impressive firepower but pitiful numbers, the Tyranids grotesquely outnumber and out reproduce everyone else, but the Metroids beat them out by being able to not only reproduce at ant like rates with their queens, but being able to undergo mitosis in beta radiation and being nearly invulnerable to anything that isn't a cold based weapon, oh and attacking via devouring your life force.

Samus Aran grew up on a 4.6 teraton planet (that's over eight hundred times more massive than earth) after being orphaned and evidently wasn't squished, so she can not only withstand enough gravity to crush a tank flat, but she showed the ability to vault over a cliff on it without her suit. with her suit the stated energy yields (multi-terawatts) are equivalent to a small nuclear bomb (kiloton range), this is one of the most basic weapons in the game and barely does diddly to her shields. The space pirates can withstand close to twenty shots from this weapon, and she? Hundreds.

 Kain wrote:


Samus Aran grew up on a 4.6 teraton planet (that's over eight hundred times more massive than earth) after being orphaned and evidently wasn't squished, so she can not only withstand enough gravity to crush a tank flat, but she showed the ability to vault over a cliff on it without her suit. with her suit the stated energy yields (multi-terawatts) are equivalent to a small nuclear bomb (kiloton range), this is one of the most basic weapons in the game and barely does diddly to her shields. The space pirates can withstand close to twenty shots from this weapon, and she? Hundreds.

That right there is absurd.
800 times the mass of the Earth is about 4.7776 times 10 to the 27th which is more than Jupiter and less than the sun.

This thread was always going to be a pissing contest between various sci-fi domains. Essentially most sci-fi borrows or steals ideas and concepts from other sci-fi domains, some get a bit clever and steal from fantasy domains but there is very little in fiction that hasn't been done in some form.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Nothing can compete with an empire that can afford to throw billions of soldiers at a problem and not care.

Sure they can. Throwing billions of soldiers at a problem doesn't necessarily mean you're going to do anything besides get billions of soldiers killed. For example, the Star Wars Empire would just bomb a billion guardsmen from orbit and move on to the next target. The war of attrition strategy only works if your opponents can't beat you in space and/or have silly moral standards about not resorting to WMDs.

And of course a single Culture GSV could take on all of 40k at once, and the only question would be whether it gets bored and leaves the problem for a lesser ship to deal with.

 Vineheart01 wrote:

Protoss...some people are saying Eldar but actually i think theyre closer to Tau even though i think this race was (note, personal opinion i know nothing on this fact-wise) entirely made up by blizzard to be the "little green alien" we all think of. Every time i look at my tau i keep thinking i should remodel them to be protoss lol...make the drones look like Probes, Devilfish into a Shuttle, Pirhana into a Phoenix, or Hammerhead into a Dragoon/Immortal (depending on weapon). Riptide could be an Archon i guess. My only issue is wtf would Firewarriors be lol because they are NOT zealots.

EDIT: Crisis Suits into Stalkers

To me Protoss feels more like a mishmash of Eldar and Necron. They can live for thousand years, are lacking in numbers and they are all psykers (just like the Eldar.) Protoss technology is also super advanced, to point where they can pull of all kinds of shenanigans (very reminiscence of the Necrons.)

“But Necrons have like super death ray laser and stuff, Protoss doesn’t have anything like that!” 'Excessive Whining.'
Well, Protoss actually do have all those things and more. Luckily for us, portoss considers such silly things as instant win buttons for cowardly and unmanly…
They would much rather cut us to pieces with psi powered blades, or blast us to atoms with their mind powers.

An Archon in SC is more analogous to an Avatar than a DE Archon.

Dragoons are a mix of Wraithguard and Dreadnoughts.

 Daba wrote:
An Archon in SC is more analogous to an Avatar than a DE Archon.

Do avatars of Khaine also run on timers?

 Redcruisair wrote:

 Daba wrote:
An Archon in SC is more analogous to an Avatar than a DE Archon.

Do avatars of Khaine also run on timers?

Basically, but the scale of a 40k game wouldn't show it. If they don't get destroyed, they will get back to the webway and go back to his throne on the Craftworld. The other Eldar don't and indeed can't order it around so it'll go as it pleases.

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Samus Aran>>>>>>>>>>>>>Crysis Nanosuit>Space Marines>Captain America>HALO Spartans>Starcraft Marines>Colonial Marines

Terrans - Based on the largest depictions of armour size in SC2, they rival Terminator armour for size. They can also poop out flying dreadnoughts and knight-sized heavy mechs with gay abandon. While the average life span of aTerran marine in combat is tagged at 9 seconds, they onyl take 25 seconds to produce

Also most of the SC2 unit types can be direectly compared into 40k. Some of my SC2 based Deathwing force:



Zealots (i use them as CC terminators):



Vultures, Diamondback and Hellion:


Banshee:


Dropship:

This is basically a war of "I have more over the top Sci Fi than you!"

 Flinty wrote:
Terrans - Based on the largest depictions of armour size in SC2, they rival Terminator armour for size. They can also poop out flying dreadnoughts and knight-sized heavy mechs with gay abandon. While the average life span of aTerran marine in combat is tagged at 9 seconds, they onyl take 25 seconds to produce

Also most of the SC2 unit types can be direectly compared into 40k. Some of my SC2 based Deathwing force:



Zealots (i use them as CC terminators):



Vultures, Diamondback and Hellion:


Banshee:


Dropship:

Actually, the author of the Xeelee Sequence, Baxter was a mathematicians.

And these arguments are always silly. They boil down to childhood 'my dad can beat up your dad' arguments.

Regardless of the idea that Tyranids inspired the creation of the Zerg, the Zerg definitely inspired the modern redesigned Tyranid look.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Nothing can compete with an empire that can afford to throw billions of soldiers at a problem and not care.

Sure they can. Throwing billions of soldiers at a problem doesn't necessarily mean you're going to do anything besides get billions of soldiers killed. For example, the Star Wars Empire would just bomb a billion guardsmen from orbit and move on to the next target. The war of attrition strategy only works if your opponents can't beat you in space and/or have silly moral standards about not resorting to WMDs.

And of course a single Culture GSV could take on all of 40k at once, and the only question would be whether it gets bored and leaves the problem for a lesser ship to deal with.

And as has been proven countless times in said threads, 40k has space superiority. The smallest 40k ship is the same size as a Star Destroyer, which is supposedly a capital ship.

Only a Super Star Destroyer is on the same size range as 40k ships, and they were pretty darn rare.

And the Imperium is certainly not adverse to using WMDs. In fact many of their "conventional" weapons would be classified as WMDs by our standards.

 Redcruisair wrote:

 Daba wrote:
An Archon in SC is more analogous to an Avatar than a DE Archon.

Do avatars of Khaine also run on timers?

Kind of. they are fuelled by the spirit of the sacrifice used to awaken the shard of Khaine. Once the event has been resolved and the geenral anger level of the Avatar drops away, or if the spirit loses focus the Avatar will dissipate.


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 Grey Templar wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Nothing can compete with an empire that can afford to throw billions of soldiers at a problem and not care.

Sure they can. Throwing billions of soldiers at a problem doesn't necessarily mean you're going to do anything besides get billions of soldiers killed. For example, the Star Wars Empire would just bomb a billion guardsmen from orbit and move on to the next target. The war of attrition strategy only works if your opponents can't beat you in space and/or have silly moral standards about not resorting to WMDs.

And of course a single Culture GSV could take on all of 40k at once, and the only question would be whether it gets bored and leaves the problem for a lesser ship to deal with.

And as has been proven countless times in said threads, 40k has space superiority. The smallest 40k ship is the same size as a Star Destroyer, which is supposedly a capital ship.

Only a Super Star Destroyer is on the same size range as 40k ships, and they were pretty darn rare.

And the Imperium is certainly not adverse to using WMDs. In fact many of their "conventional" weapons would be classified as WMDs by our standards.

Size can be deceptive. Especially with Culture GSVs (hell, even the ROUs are lethal enough on their own and they're pretty small) and their ability to channel antimatter into targets via hyperspace (positive or negative) at the same time as rewriting the neurons in the target's brain to make them shoot themselves in the head.

I thought it was shown that the Protoss did have significant numbers, just that a vast majority of them lived in neighboring galaxies.

 Flinty wrote:

 Redcruisair wrote:

 Daba wrote:
An Archon in SC is more analogous to an Avatar than a DE Archon.

Do avatars of Khaine also run on timers?

Kind of. they are fuelled by the spirit of the sacrifice used to awaken the shard of Khaine. Once the event has been resolved and the geenral anger level of the Avatar drops away, or if the spirit loses focus the Avatar will dissipate.


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 Grey Templar wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Nothing can compete with an empire that can afford to throw billions of soldiers at a problem and not care.

Sure they can. Throwing billions of soldiers at a problem doesn't necessarily mean you're going to do anything besides get billions of soldiers killed. For example, the Star Wars Empire would just bomb a billion guardsmen from orbit and move on to the next target. The war of attrition strategy only works if your opponents can't beat you in space and/or have silly moral standards about not resorting to WMDs.

And of course a single Culture GSV could take on all of 40k at once, and the only question would be whether it gets bored and leaves the problem for a lesser ship to deal with.

And as has been proven countless times in said threads, 40k has space superiority. The smallest 40k ship is the same size as a Star Destroyer, which is supposedly a capital ship.

Only a Super Star Destroyer is on the same size range as 40k ships, and they were pretty darn rare.

And the Imperium is certainly not adverse to using WMDs. In fact many of their "conventional" weapons would be classified as WMDs by our standards.

Size can be deceptive. Especially with Culture GSVs (hell, even the ROUs are lethal enough on their own and they're pretty small) and their ability to channel antimatter into targets via hyperspace (positive or negative) at the same time as rewriting the neurons in the target's brain to make them shoot themselves in the head.

And again, you've reached into the silly realm of sci-fi.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Nothing can compete with an empire that can afford to throw billions of soldiers at a problem and not care.

Sure they can. Throwing billions of soldiers at a problem doesn't necessarily mean you're going to do anything besides get billions of soldiers killed. For example, the Star Wars Empire would just bomb a billion guardsmen from orbit and move on to the next target. The war of attrition strategy only works if your opponents can't beat you in space and/or have silly moral standards about not resorting to WMDs.

And of course a single Culture GSV could take on all of 40k at once, and the only question would be whether it gets bored and leaves the problem for a lesser ship to deal with.

And as has been proven countless times in said threads, 40k has space superiority. The smallest 40k ship is the same size as a Star Destroyer, which is supposedly a capital ship.

Only a Super Star Destroyer is on the same size range as 40k ships, and they were pretty darn rare.

And the Imperium is certainly not adverse to using WMDs. In fact many of their "conventional" weapons would be classified as WMDs by our standards.

A culture GSV not only shoots at you from the safety of hyperspace and fights and reacts at superluminal speeds and has some crazy weapons, but can also devastate entire fleets by just braking really hard and using the wake of it's passing to wreck gak.

It can also use something called Gridfire which essentially utilizes the fact that there is an anti-matter equivalent to our universe, kept separate by a dimension called the grid, the gridfire essentially slips the rug keeping the two apart and everything goes boom to the tune of 10^44 joules (a supernova is 10^38 if I'm not mistaken).

Oh and they're run by benevolent fun loving AIs called minds that have such vast processing power that they can hax into electronics and brains to make you do what they want. From across the solar system.

Of course the Culture is a benevolently hedonistic society, the kind that Slaanesh loves to corrupt.

Again, silly sci-fi.

 washout77 wrote:
This is basically a war of "I have more over the top Sci Fi than you!"

These discussions always are, which is why I don't participate in them any more beyond pointing out inaccuracies in other fandoms when I know and recognize them.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Again, silly sci-fi.

The Culture series is actually more about how the Culture, constrained by it's sense of morality, tries to "better" other societies, in a way like a nicer America in modern politics, and also how it's agents operate in the wider universe. The Culture itself is usually kept in the background, but we do get the implication that the Culture is crazy happy fun times, with all labor (including intellectual) being eliminated by mechanization and scarcity being wiped away by energy to matter converters and access to nigh unlimited energy. So the minds who run the culture tell all of it's citizens to "have fun".

Think prefall Eldar with more dakka and a smaller populace (only 30 trillion) and more idealized.

 King Pariah wrote:
I thought it was shown that the Protoss did have significant numbers, just that a vast majority of them lived in neighboring galaxies.

Yes you are correct on that note. The Zerg invasion of their home world Aiur caused the surviving Protoss to scatter all over the milky way. Protoss civilization is fractured, not dyeing.

 King Pariah wrote:
I thought it was shown that the Protoss did have significant numbers, just that a vast majority of them lived in neighboring galaxies.

Starcraft like 99% of scifi is for whatever reason an explicitly one galaxy only setting.

I'll never understand why. Is a galaxy just the biggest structure where writers can still somewhat use compass rose directions? (Which is not totally accurate, even disc and spiral galaxies still have depth)

 Kain wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Again, silly sci-fi.

The Culture series is actually more about how the Culture, constrained by it's sense of morality, tries to "better" other societies, in a way like a nicer America in modern politics, and also how it's agents operate in the wider universe. The Culture itself is usually kept in the background, but we do get the implication that the Culture is crazy happy fun times, with all labor (including intellectual) being eliminated by mechanization and scarcity being wiped away by energy to matter converters and access to nigh unlimited energy. So the minds who run the culture tell all of it's citizens to "have fun".

Think prefall Eldar with more dakka and a smaller populace (only 30 trillion) and more idealized.

It's still super-silly sci-fi. The Culture has made more than one appearance in 40K vs X threads on these forums. It's completely OTT.

Probably because even a single galaxy is frakking huge.

Honestly, most sci-fi where they travel across a galaxy could easily be contained within an area only a thousand light years square. They are guilty of making a galaxy seem like a small place.

Like Star Wars. you have a galaxy spanning republic, with only a couple thousand planets? And you can fit all the senators in a single building? And the Clone armies are numbering only in the millions?

Distorted senses of scale are a problem in most sci-fi. 40k at least has the decency of saying most of the galaxy is unexplored.

 Psienesis wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Again, silly sci-fi.

The Culture series is actually more about how the Culture, constrained by it's sense of morality, tries to "better" other societies, in a way like a nicer America in modern politics, and also how it's agents operate in the wider universe. The Culture itself is usually kept in the background, but we do get the implication that the Culture is crazy happy fun times, with all labor (including intellectual) being eliminated by mechanization and scarcity being wiped away by energy to matter converters and access to nigh unlimited energy. So the minds who run the culture tell all of it's citizens to "have fun".

Think prefall Eldar with more dakka and a smaller populace (only 30 trillion) and more idealized.

It's still super-silly sci-fi. The Culture has made more than one appearance in 40K vs X threads on these forums. It's completely OTT.

If you want really OTT, see Strike Legion, which can be summed up as "out 40king 40k."

As I said before, 40k is essentially the blending of all scifi and much of the fantasy made up until the late eighties put through a cynic's filter.

Strike Legion goes two decades better and instead of a cynic's filter, puts it through a cocaine addict's viewpoint.

Sillyness includes a fleet of space vans with pistols and one grenade being able to replicate the Exterminatus of Typhon Primaris, the Imperium (with it's own immortal super psyker god empress of mankind) churning out more ships than the 40k IoM has in it's entire navy every day and losing them all and saying "feth it, send the next wave", things like Tyranid and Flood expies being at full power and still being small bio weapons, Psykers I mean Masters being able to warp reality and retcon things out of existence, the Culture expy just being one good guy expy faction that's not even that powerful, oh and the standard measure of a warship's durability is "Can I ram this planet at just under light speed and win?"

And space squirrels are a major part of the setting.

It's silly, goofy, and over the top and it is delightfully awesome. It's like 40k when it was still in the silliness of the Rogue Trader-2e era. Expect it to crystallize either into even more sillyness or grimdarkness as the RPG evolves.