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Ork gargantum. yes please do it.

 Kain wrote:

 minigun762 wrote:
Unless it was changed, Shadow Swors only had a 5" blast whereas Baneblade have 10". If the target is a parking lot or horde, bigger is better.

It's only a lascannon strength pieplate.

Which is plenty to kill most infantry units including multi wound T4 and light armored vehicles.

Str D is awesome against high value targets, but I caution against not having an answer for 500 orks or Guardsmen.

 minigun762 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 minigun762 wrote:
Unless it was changed, Shadow Swors only had a 5" blast whereas Baneblade have 10". If the target is a parking lot or horde, bigger is better.

It's only a lascannon strength pieplate.

Which is plenty to kill most infantry units including multi wound T4 and light armored vehicles.

Str D is awesome against high value targets, but I caution against not having an answer for 500 orks or Guardsmen.

The Stormsword has more strength, more AP, the same size blast, and ignores cover, so unless that blob has an invulnerable save it autodies.

 Kain wrote:

 minigun762 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 minigun762 wrote:
Unless it was changed, Shadow Swors only had a 5" blast whereas Baneblade have 10". If the target is a parking lot or horde, bigger is better.

It's only a lascannon strength pieplate.

Which is plenty to kill most infantry units including multi wound T4 and light armored vehicles.


Str D is awesome against high value targets, but I caution against not having an answer for 500 orks or Guardsmen.

The Stormsword has more strength, more AP, the same size blast, and ignores cover, so unless that blob has an invulnerable save it autodies.

Yeah that's a good tank, I like it and the Hellhammer.

My point was just not to only look at the Str D weapons as they have drawbacks.

Of the Baneblade variants, I've always liked the Stormblade with its plasma blastgun. Sure, it's not a D weapon, but it looks cool and who doesn't like plasma pie plates of doom?

In Apocalypse, everyone wants the D. (Weapon)

Typhon heavy siege tank!

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Of the Baneblade variants, I've always liked the Stormblade with its plasma blastgun. Sure, it's not a D weapon, but it looks cool and who doesn't like plasma pie plates of doom?

Another good choice. Too bad it's FW only.
PBG is really flexible.

i'm intrigued by the blastgun. what does it do?

The Stormblade is only $19 dollars more than the new Baneblade kit, when you factor in current exchange rates, well worth the extra (to me, anyway).
As for what the Plasma Blastgun does, how can I put this without giving away too many rules details? Think of a slightly stronger plasma gun shooting two 7" blasts, or a much stronger plasma gun shooting one big 10" blast. And both types have a long range.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
The Stormblade is only $19 dollars more than the new Baneblade kit, when you factor in current exchange rates, well worth the extra (to me, anyway).

Wow really?
That's a much smaller difference than I thought.

On a related topic, how useful has the hull demolisher been for people.
A "free" S10 weapon is nice but I worry about it's short range and limited firing arc.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
so besides the shadowsword, what else has the d weapon?

All titans, Shadowsword, Thunderhawk, Eldar Scorpion/Cobra/Lynx/Vampire Hunter, Tau Tigershark AX-1-0/Manta, Necron Pylon, Ork Kill Bursta. And some formations in the new Apocalypse book give them.

Well except Bio-Titans

 wyomingfox wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
so besides the shadowsword, what else has the d weapon?

All titans, Shadowsword, Thunderhawk, Eldar Scorpion/Cobra/Lynx/Vampire Hunter, Tau Tigershark AX-1-0/Manta, Necron Pylon, Ork Kill Bursta. And some formations in the new Apocalypse book give them.

Well except Bio-Titans

But they crap out so many S10 shots and are so hard to kill it doesn't matter.

So, the blastgun would shoot 2 for more wounds, and one for a bigger area.


can it damage vehicles?

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
So, the blastgun would shoot 2 for more wounds, and one for a bigger area.


can it damage vehicles?

It's either Krak missile strength or demolisher cannon strength depending on fire mode so yes it can.

ooooooooooh. That's nice!

Can I still use it even with the old rules?

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
So, the blastgun would shoot 2 for more wounds, and one for a bigger area.

Except in both cases the D-weapon does more damage because it ignores all saves, while the plasma shots are stopped by cover and invulnerable saves.

can it damage vehicles?

Yes, but not very well. You have a STR 8/10 ordnance weapon that has to roll to penetrate armor and then roll on the damage table, compared to a D-weapon that auto-kills normal vehicles on a 2+ (and auto-pens them on a 1) and gets an automatic "explodes" (or better) result against superheavies on a 2+. The D-weapon is always far superior against vehicles.

PBG does offer considerable saturation though with much higher blast diameters.

If I wanted to lay waste to a Land Raider, I'd take Str D. If I was across from a dozen Trukks, I'd rather have the PBG.

Or just take a Warlord and take a pair of 10" Str D weapons for the best of all worlds.

 minigun762 wrote:
If I was across from a dozen Trukks, I'd rather have the PBG.

No, you'd rather have the D-weapon. Even assuming the PBG always penetrates AV 10 (or uses the large shot) you still need to get through cover and roll well on the damage chart. The D-weapon removes both of those requirements so you'll probably kill more trukks.

And of course that's a rather unrealistic scenario, since you won't just be facing trukks in any "normal" Apocalypse game. Superheavies need to be capable of dealing with more than just AV 10, and that means D-weapons.

I 110% agree about the value of Str D . I'm just pointing out that in the case of the Shadowsword, I see the 5" blast as a weakness compared to the larger blast weapons if you're fighting a horde type army.

Against high value or super heavies, Str D is awesome.

Like most things, it comes down to what you expect to face in an Apoc game.

If your using a super heavy to take out trucks then I would like to know what else your fielding in your army that cannot do that role lol

 tankboy145 wrote:
If your using a super heavy to take out trucks then I would like to know what else your fielding in your army that cannot do that role lol

If you have loaded up on close range melta death squads for countering super heavies, you might be light on long range firepower.

 tankboy145 wrote:
If your using a super heavy to take out trucks then I would like to know what else your fielding in your army that cannot do that role lol

The "what else" is more superheavies with D-weapons. Really in Apocalypse there's no reason to take long-range shooting that isn't D-weapons or Basilisks (since LOS can get pretty bad in a big game). Taking lascannons and stuff is almost always going to be worse than taking equal points in dual-turbolaser Warhounds.

 minigun762 wrote:
I'm just pointing out that in the case of the Shadowsword, I see the 5" blast as a weakness compared to the larger blast weapons if you're fighting a horde type army.

It's a weakness in theory, but the ability to ignore saves makes up for it. With a conventional weapon you're losing at least 1/3 of your shooting to cover/invulnerable saves, so the gap between a 5" D-weapon and a 10" non-D weapon is a lot less than it seems at first glance. Add in the fact that the non-D weapon is only effective against hordes while the D-weapon can kill hordes reasonably well but also kill everything else and the choice is obvious.

But really this is only even a question because the Shadowsword is the only Baneblade hull that doesn't get a full Warhound-size weapon. It should have two shots like the Warhound's turbolaser (or a larger blast), closing the gap even more on the plasma gun. If you look at Warhounds or other superheavies that don't suffer from a crippled main gun there's no reason to take anything but the D-weapon.

From memory, I want to say the Reaver had more Str D per point cost than anything else.

I haven't seen the new book so point costs may have changed

T-hawk can carry bikes, which can assault out of it... very fun for ravenwing