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As a lot of people has said - Metal =/= Finecrap.

Labeling it 'Metal Spankasaurus OOP' is more accurate - and will likely get more bites than one listed as 'Spankasaurus OOP'.

But either way, that model is Out of Production - what OOP means in regards to physical items. One term is just more complete.

It is unfair to say that Findcash is like a CD with a bunch of tracks damaged.

A more accurate simile is a run of CDs where one in ten of the CDs has been shot with a BB.

Most of the time there is no problem at all - you lucked out and got a good copy. (Hey look! A Chaos Lord with halberd! Just what I ordered!)

There is a chance that the BB does no real damage if the CD is hit (a quick dab of liquid greenstuff on the arm and problem solved!).

There is a chance that the CD is unusable (isn't the Chaos Lord supposed to have legs? And more than half a head?).

And a chance that while there is damage then with a lot of work the CD might be recoverable, or have enough tracks undamaged to be worth having (I had to sculpt a new halberd, but it looks good, so I am happy enough).

Me, I would be more upset if I got a Finecast miniature when it looked like I was supposed to get a metal mini than I would be to discover that an OoP Spankasaurus is still available in Finecast but I got the metal version.

I like resin - but Finecast resin... is just not a good resin.

The Auld Grump

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
You're buying exactly the same miniature - it looks exactly the same and it functions exactly the same in the purpose it was designed for (ie wargaming).

Except it doesn't function the same. Even ignoring the question of getting manufacturing defects finecast is still an unappealing material. It's very easy to damage, and can even bend under its own weight. A flawless finecast cast is far, far less appealing than a flawless metal cast of the same model.

Manufacturing defects shouldn't come into it, otherwise I could sell a defective computer and claim that it's OOP to one currently being produced. By your logic, because the computer is defective and has errors, it is less desirable and therefore OOP.

That makes no sense at all. It isn't OOP because it's a single miniature with or without defects, it's OOP because the metal version as a whole suffers from fewer defects and is a safer buy. It's a much more desirable version of the miniature and you can't buy it anymore. Therefore it is OOP.

Seems like people are nitpicking over my example, yes playing a record damage the record, same with a CD only takes longer.

The music is the same (except for the audiophiles)

Same with me figures, material is the only difference (what has the playing medium to do with anything?)

The record is not being made anymore so it's OOP same with the metal model.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Seems like people are nitpicking over my example, yes playing a record damage the record, same with a CD only takes longer.

The music is the same (except for the audiophiles)

Same with me figures, material is the only difference (what has the playing medium to do with anything?)

The record is not being made anymore so it's OOP same with the metal model.

Nitpicking? On Dakka? Surely not

And the point was never about the differences between records to CD's/CD's to CD's compared to the difference between metal and Finecast. It was about which version of a product is currently in production, and which one isn't.

Then people can miss the point (on purpose?) as much as they want.

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
As a lot of people has said - Metal =/= Finecrap.

Labeling it 'Metal Spankasaurus OOP' is more accurate - and will likely get more bites than one listed as 'Spankasaurus OOP'.

Yep, that's all I meant . Using both labels is fine, but adding metal helps distinguish what has made this model OOP (the material, not the sculpt).

 Evil Lamp 6 wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
It would be OOP, though I don't understand why you would want an old finecrap.. er, I mean metal version.

Some people like working with metal, especially over Finecast.

I don't....

 edbradders wrote:
Thanks. I've just seen a few metal versions of models on eBay with "OOP" in the title when they are available in finecast.

I think a lot of those say metal so people can understand why they say OOP in the description.OOP


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 Peregrine wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
You're buying exactly the same miniature - it looks exactly the same and it functions exactly the same in the purpose it was designed for (ie wargaming).

Except it doesn't function the same. Even ignoring the question of getting manufacturing defects finecast is still an unappealing material. It's very easy to damage, and can even bend under its own weight. A flawless finecast cast is far, far less appealing than a flawless metal cast of the same model.

Manufacturing defects shouldn't come into it, otherwise I could sell a defective computer and claim that it's OOP to one currently being produced. By your logic, because the computer is defective and has errors, it is less desirable and therefore OOP.

That makes no sense at all. It isn't OOP because it's a single miniature with or without defects, it's OOP because the metal version as a whole suffers from fewer defects and is a safer buy. It's a much more desirable version of the miniature and you can't buy it anymore. Therefore it is OOP.

If a person were to liken Finecast to reinforced whipped cream, they wouldn't be far off the mark.

Its obvious to me that there are a fair number of people who consider metal miniatures with finecast counter parts to be OOP, therefor it makes sense to advertise those metal miniatures as OOP because there will be people looking for that. You really can't argue with that.

God, you people are terrible when you apply your minds to logic. Stop comparing different items to make an example for miniature models. Computers and CD's are not metal or finecast miniatures. When you attempt to make examples with comparisons of two totally different products, you sound stupid as hell.

I would have no problem with an ebay listing that stated "OOP Metal ____" when GW only sells the finecast version, currently.

How is this so hard to understand though?
Definition of Out of Print is that it's not being produced anymore.
Is the metal miniature still being produced? no.
Hence it is Out Of Print.

The model itself isn't out of print as it is now being printed the version of finecast, but the metal is.

 LumenPraebeo wrote:
God, you people are terrible when you apply your minds to logic. Stop comparing different items to make an example for miniature models. Computers and CD's are not metal or finecast miniatures. When you attempt to make examples with comparisons of two totally different products, you sound stupid as hell.

But this is genius.

 Makutsu wrote:
How is this so hard to understand though?

No one is having a problem understanding.

The discussion here has been over semantics, not ignorance.

 LumenPraebeo wrote:
God, you people are terrible when you apply your minds to logic. Stop comparing different items to make an example for miniature models. Computers and CD's are not metal or finecast miniatures. When you attempt to make examples with comparisons of two totally different products, you sound stupid as hell.

Some words that you need to look up in a dictionary.

Simile.
Metaphor.
Analogy.

All are common techniques or methods for conveying information and/or emotive content.

Since you seem to have difficulty understanding these when they are in use....

The Auld Grump

Relapse wrote:

If a person were to liken Finecast to reinforced whipped cream, they wouldn't be far off the mark.

I am so glad I was not drinking anything when I read this. Otherwise my PC would have gotten a bath......

kronk wrote:I would have no problem with an ebay listing that stated "OOP Metal ____" when GW only sells the finecast version, currently.

Agreed.

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

 LumenPraebeo wrote:
God, you people are terrible when you apply your minds to logic. Stop comparing different items to make an example for miniature models. Computers and CD's are not metal or finecast miniatures. When you attempt to make examples with comparisons of two totally different products, you sound stupid as hell.

Some words that you need to look up in a dictionary.

Simile.
Metaphor.
Analogy.

All are common techniques or methods for conveying information and/or emotive content.

Since you seem to have difficulty understanding these when they are in use....

The Auld Grump

No

 kronk wrote:
I would have no problem with an ebay listing that stated "OOP Metal ____" when GW only sells the finecast version, currently.

Agreed, and I think that's pretty universal

Is being technically OOP like being technically a virgin?

 Polonius wrote:
Is being technically OOP like being technically a virgin?

Give the molds have been used so many times it would more likely be akin to technically being a street walker.