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 Traejun wrote:


As for some of the reply posts earlier - the cabal "seems" right given the last 10,000 years. It doesn't mean they were/are.

Indeed. I doubt they'd have factored in the return of the Necrons and the arrival of the Tyranids either, seeing as neither can be influenced by the 'Primordial Annihilator' (the Necrons have no souls and the Hive Mind is powerful enough to protect and extend its own influence in the Warp).

There are many endings.

1. Emperor reborn and kills all chaos.
2. Necrons fully awake and destroy all life so chaos dies.
3. Tyranid eats everything chaos dies.
4. Orks unite and everything dies.
5. Cabal prediction of chaos winning. ( you got to remember they made this prediction without knowing when the necrons will awake, before the tyranid showed themselves, before the emperor made his final plans. There is also 10,000 years of choice making by trillion and trillions of people that can affect their prediction.
Only endings that we know that won't happen.
1. Eldar retaking over the galaxy





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So basically we have many gods in the warp.

Gork, Mork, emperor, hive mind, 4 chaos gods.

1. There's no reason to believe the Emperor can just kill chaos. He'd known about it for some time, you'd think he would have done it at some point before that.

2. That's a pretty cheap ending. And, there's no reason to believe the Necrons could simply wipe everything out. They weren't able to at the height of their power.

3. I suppose this is possible depending on the true size of the Tyrannid species yet to arrive in the Milky Way. This would be a pretty cheap ending through.

4. Probably would happen, given the size and reproductive capability of the species. It would be a slow end, but fun to read about.

5. Assuming they weren't lying or even had any way of knowing, who is to say they didn't know about those things? That said, I'm not sure even .001% of those trillion of people have any way to affect the future. The untold trillions are simply powerless over their own lives, much less the fate of the galaxy.

*1. Agreed. The Eldar suffered too greatly to ever come back from that. They are relegated to being a dying species whose immense power and technology will keep them relevant until the end.

If there is ever going to be an ending, it's going to be one of these:

1. The cabal is right, humanity dies a slow, agonizing death. Thing is, that's more likely to be caused by something other than Chaos itself. Whether Tyrannids or Necrons or something else, the defeat claims all the intelligent species in the galaxy, thereby (theoretically) destroying chaos in the process.

2. Mankind prevails through the intervention of some/many powerful force(s). The Emperor, one or more primarchs or something else, intervenes to give humanity a leg up. Chaos survives, and the whole thing starts all over again. Ever since the Old Ones and their sorcerous creations started fooling with the warp too much (perhaps creating the warp entities and original chaos gods in the process), it became the fate of sentient species to deal with Chaos.

 Traejun wrote:

That's a pretty cheap ending. And, there's no reason to believe the Necrons could simply wipe everything out. They weren't able to at the height of their power with Chaos.

Thing is, that was only because the Powers of Chaos had yet to manifest at the time, and Eldar power was at its height then. Now, the Eldar are a pale shadow of what they once were, and Chaos has no hold over the Necrons to begin with. Heck, the Necrons can even construct devices to isolate regions of space from the Warp. True, they can be overpowered, but they require immense preparation/coaxing of the Warp from its mortal worshipers (at least that's what I understood from the fluff about the 13th Black Crusade) to do so.

Had the alpha legion not done what the Cabal wanted they could have prepared for the Heresy either in secret or by contacting other primarchs a who would be likely to listen, such as the lion or guilleman. The others were either unsuitable or too loyal to Horus to believe them. Both Johnson and guilleman were unhappy with Horus' appointment as war master and would have been easier to persuade and sway, Magnus may have been helpful at this time.

In summary the Cabal attempted to ensure their own prophecy came true, had the imperium won in a more emphatic fashion the 41st millennium would be very different. In my mind 2 things have left the imperium weak from the heresy 1) The confining of the emperor to the golden throne. 2) The destruction of the gellar field surrounding the section of human web way that the emperor was constructing.

If these 2 events could have been avoided the imperium would be in a far better shape.

Doesn't the Tyranids shadow in the warp affect demons somehow? Like either banish them or make it hard for them to stay in the material realm... Even if it doesn't, chaos marines are still biomatter. Nom nom nom