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Well, the new Dex drops in a few weeks (2.5 by my count) so we should be able to wait a few days and see if GW clarrified things better.
The Lucius pod rules also changed with last weeks Apoc release (40K approved) and it was pretty significant in how it is played and the effect the doors have:
The turn the Pod lands the vehicle becomes open topped (no change).
Due to the dust/dirt kicked up by the retros, the Pod gains shrouding. (new)
Shrouding extends to the area the open doors cover. (new)
Units behind the pod's LoS benefit from shrouding (pardon me while I mask my advancing units with a wall of Pods).
The embarked Drednought DOES NOT deploy the turn it lands (yeah...no riptide/missile-side Tau intercepting my dred...all they get to shoot is an AV12 shrouded vehicle).
NOTE: This is different from current rules where you must immediately disembark from the Pod.
The next turn the Dred MUST disembark but can still assault since the Pod kept the Assault vehicle rule.

It will be interesting to see if the new dex plays normal Pods the same way.
Stay tuned.

dkellyj wrote:
It will be interesting to see if the new dex plays normal Pods the same way.
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It won't. The only changes I see as at all likely are dropping them pack to capacity 10 and (very, very remotely possibly) clarifying the doors situation... although given all the other multiple-edition problems that they haven't bothered clarifying in the 6th edition rules, I'm not really holding my breath for that one.

I agree that it's not likely to change much, if at all, if the Dark Angels Codex is anything to go by.

 DeathReaper wrote:

ted1138 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

ted1138 wrote:
It's the explosive bolts on the hatches that are blown, so the doors have to open(even if they open onto other models).

What happens if the bolts are blown but the doors are stuck due to ice buildup from the drop? (In other words "Hatches are blown" is fluff and does not pertain to any given rule).

I still don't agree with models exiting through an access point that's within 2" of an enemy model though...

Why, is it illegal to be 2 inches from an enemy model?

Since when does ice build up on a vehicle falling from orbit? And if there is less than 2" between a vehicle access point and an enemy model, then there isn't enough room to place a model(on a 1" base) without it being within 1" of an enemy model, thus breaking the rules...

1) The ice buildup happens when the Pod enters the Atmosphere.

2) Less than 2 inches is illegal, 2 inches or more is legal

1) Things get hotter when they enter the atmosphere, not colder.

2)1.9" minus 1" is less than 1".

1) Irrelevant to a rules discussion
2) Yes, you are now just agreeing with DR, who said LESS THAN 2" (such as...1.9") is illegal.

Also models do not have a 1" base, it is just under that. Given peopel are being pedantic while simultaneously ignoring the "hatches are blown" has no relevance to a game of plastic models at all.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
1) Irrelevant to a rules discussion
2) Yes, you are now just agreeing with DR, who said LESS THAN 2" (such as...1.9") is illegal.

Also models do not have a 1" base, it is just under that. Given peopel are being pedantic while simultaneously ignoring the "hatches are blown" has no relevance to a game of plastic models at all.

1) I'm responding to what he's saying, which makes it relevant.

2) He was disagreeing with me, and I was presenting information to clarify my point.

Also, GW small round bases are 1" diameter, and always have been...

1) Not in YMDC it doesnt, it makes it OT
2) Reread what they posted. I even tried to point you at it, but you still missed it. Reread what you quoted from DR

Wrong, measure them. 25mm is NOT 1".

nosferatu1001 wrote:
1) Not in YMDC it doesnt, it makes it OT
2) Reread what they posted. I even tried to point you at it, but you still missed it. Reread what you quoted from DR

Wrong, measure them. 25mm is NOT 1".

Have you nothing better to do than Troll this thread?


PS, you go measure a base, as unlike you, I have, and it's not 25mm...

Are you two seriously arguing about 0.02 of an inch?

Please refrain from accusations of trolling, thanks.

ted1138 wrote:

1) Things get hotter when they enter the atmosphere, not colder.

2)1.9" minus 1" is less than 1".

1) yes, it gets hotter as it passed through the barrier, once it is fully in the Atmosphere and free falling the frigid air tends to ice things up...

2) And your point?

 DeathReaper wrote:

ted1138 wrote:

1) Things get hotter when they enter the atmosphere, not colder.

2)1.9" minus 1" is less than 1".

1) yes, it gets hotter as it passed through the barrier, once it is fully in the Atmosphere and free falling the frigid air tends to ice things up...


Crap, I messed up the quote
Thank you for beating me to the atmosphere thing. BUT ON TOPIC

As to the conversation at had. I've also discussed this with my opponents and I think that the door is part of the hull since someone earlier stated that it does make up about 45% of it . But thinking about if it would happen it real life the doors would just slam onto what ever is in it's way.

Has anyone actually measured the bases? The 25mm "heroic" scale that GW frequently mentions is NOT a reference to base size (or at least if it is, it's by accident). It's a reference to the scale of the model overall, ie. what its proportions would be if an average human were scaled down to be 25mm high.

 Super Ready wrote:
Has anyone actually measured the bases? The 25mm "heroic" scale that GW frequently mentions is NOT a reference to base size (or at least if it is, it's by accident). It's a reference to the scale of the model overall, ie. what its proportions would be if an average human were scaled down to be 25mm high.

Citadel Miniatures haven't been 25mm scale since before Rogue Trader. Back when they were still mentioned as being any particular size (which I haven't seen happen for some years now), GW toted them as 'Heroic 28mm'

25mm bases are called 25mm bases because they are 25mm in diameter.

 insaniak wrote:

 Super Ready wrote:
Has anyone actually measured the bases? The 25mm "heroic" scale that GW frequently mentions is NOT a reference to base size (or at least if it is, it's by accident). It's a reference to the scale of the model overall, ie. what its proportions would be if an average human were scaled down to be 25mm high.

Citadel Miniatures haven't been 25mm scale since before Rogue Trader. Back when they were still mentioned as being any particular size (which I haven't seen happen for some years now), GW toted them as 'Heroic 28mm'

25mm bases are called 25mm bases because they are 25mm in diameter.

Try measuring one then. They were designed to be 1", they have always been 1". And they are only called 25mm bases because it 'fits' in with the rest of their bases being measured in Metric.


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 DeathReaper wrote:

ted1138 wrote:

1) Things get hotter when they enter the atmosphere, not colder.

2)1.9" minus 1" is less than 1".

1) yes, it gets hotter as it passed through the barrier, once it is fully in the Atmosphere and free falling the frigid air tends to ice things up...

2) And your point?

So, let's see what we've learned from DeathReaper;

1)An object falling from orbit at 17,000 miles per hour, with a surface temperature of 2,300 deg Fahrenheit, wreathed in a ball of flame, ices up due to it 'being a bit cold up there'.

2)If you can't admit being wrong, make out the whole thing is too petty to comprehend...

ted1138 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Super Ready wrote:
Has anyone actually measured the bases? The 25mm "heroic" scale that GW frequently mentions is NOT a reference to base size (or at least if it is, it's by accident). It's a reference to the scale of the model overall, ie. what its proportions would be if an average human were scaled down to be 25mm high.

Citadel Miniatures haven't been 25mm scale since before Rogue Trader. Back when they were still mentioned as being any particular size (which I haven't seen happen for some years now), GW toted them as 'Heroic 28mm'

25mm bases are called 25mm bases because they are 25mm in diameter.

Try measuring one then. They were designed to be 1", they have always been 1". And they are only called 25mm bases because it 'fits' in with the rest of their bases being measured in Metric.

You do realize that 1" is 25mm right? (25.4 to be exact)

The models are supposed to be 28mm scale.

I love this. I have this add-on for chrome (Dictionary of Numbers) that gives comparable measurements for text, i.e. "100 kilometers [≈ width of the Bering Strait]" so every time someone types 25mm, it adds [≈ 1 inch] afterwards.

So in my case I'm reading : You do realize that 1" is 25mm [≈ 1 inch] right? (25.4 to be exact)

Ha! 0.02 of an inch is enough to cause great arguments it seems.

ted1138 wrote:

1)An object falling from orbit at 17,000 miles per hour, with a surface temperature of 2,300 deg Fahrenheit

Evidence?
Edit: Failquotes

Yep, that assumes terrain sized and density planet, same atmospheric density, etc. Otherwise youre not getting those figures

ted1138 wrote:
So, let's see what we've learned from DeathReaper;

1)An object falling from orbit at 17,000 miles per hour, with a surface temperature of 2,300 deg Fahrenheit, wreathed in a ball of flame, ices up due to it 'being a bit cold up there'.

2)If you can't admit being wrong, make out the whole thing is too petty to comprehend...

Wow, you have been to a planet in the 40K universe and you know what the temps and other atmospheric conditions are???

Nos said it best:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Yep, that assumes terrain sized and density planet, same atmospheric density, etc. Otherwise youre not getting those figures

Remember: The rules were not written to be "Modern day real world" logical.

The rules are an abstract system used to simulate a battle in the year 40,000.

What would happen in the modern day real world has nothing to do with the RAW, or the simulation of a battle fought 38,000 years from now.

As such they need to have some compromises to make the game playable.

ted1138 wrote:

So, let's see what we've learned from DeathReaper;

1)An object falling from orbit at 17,000 miles per hour, with a surface temperature of 2,300 deg Fahrenheit, wreathed in a ball of flame, ices up due to it 'being a bit cold up there'.

Speak for yourself: I didn't learn this from DR. I actually thought this was common knowledge.

So what I learned from this thread is that some people don't know about ice buildup on atmospheric re-entry! Oh, and I'm also STILL learning how some people refuse to graciously accept common scientific curiosities, like ice buildup on atmospheric re-entry!

ted1138 wrote:

Try measuring one then. They were designed to be 1", they have always been 1". And they are only called 25mm bases because it 'fits' in with the rest of their bases being measured in Metric.

I've measured them several times over the years , because this is a discussion that comes up sooner or later every edition, and GW has been through at least a dozen different toolings of the 25mm. No idea where you get the idea that they were 'designed to be 1"' as so far as I'm aware GW has never made any such claim. The 25mm base is called a 25mm base because it is 25mm. Yes, that fits in with the rest of the base range, which is also done in metric measurement. That should have been your first clue that you might have been mistaken on the one inch thing, really...

Thanks Insaniak - I meant to measure one myself after your last post, realising how silly I was being, and then promptly forgot to.

Regarding the ice buildup re-entry thing - it *doesn't actually matter*. It would have no bearing on the rules either way.

So ted - would you care to apologise to the people you were insulting in this thread, now you have been proven wrong?

let's not get too bent out of shape shall we ladies and gents.

ta.