daedalus wrote:
What if you apologized profusely?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Not babies, they cant be cruel.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Blood for the Blood God.

 djones520 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Not babies, they cant be cruel.

You should see my two babies interact with each other.

 Mr Nobody wrote:
I hope so, I can't imagine someone being that deliberately cruel.

FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs wrote:
Slowed? I'm pretty sure autism has alot of bad names, but I don't think this one is appropriate. One of my friends has asbergers, that doesn't stop him from taking BC calc in his sophomore year.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs wrote:
Slowed? I'm pretty sure autism has alot of bad names, but I don't think this one is appropriate. One of my friends has asbergers, that doesn't stop him from taking BC calc in his sophomore year.

Aspergers disorder and autism are two very different things. Someone with Aspergers can easily make friends and appear completely normal. People with autism can't do so easily.
Common misconception
Edit: Aparently Aspergers is a higher form of Autism, despite being largely different. Why it wouldn't be considered as a different phenomena is beyond me. Same spirit to the post, what evs.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Well this is depressing. you would think parents would be more sensitive. And also know autism =/= Mentally Handicapped. Kids with autism can live normally lives.

Ontario police are aware of a disgusting letter sent to a woman caring for an autistic child by another woman who wanted the "wild animal kid" out of her neighbourhood, even if it meant killing the child.
The hateful letter was reportedly sent last week to a resident of Newcastle, Ont., just east of Toronto, who hosts her 13-year-old grandson, Max, during summer days.
Mother Karley Begley spoke with CityNews and broke down in tears as she tried to read the letter.
The letter was re-posted on Twitter by Lennon and Maisy, a young Ontario singing duo who also star on ABC's Nashville.
The post has been retweeted more than 3,000 times.
[ Related: Fla. police say autistic man kept in 'dungeon-like' conditions at trailer ]

Durham Regional Police told Yahoo! Canada News that a report was filed on Friday and an investigation is ongoing.
"We are certainly taking it seriously," spokesperson Jodi MacLean said on Monday.

"We are consulting with the Crown to see if there is any criminality that went on with the letter."

From its tone, the letter might be considered anything from abusive to threatening or perhaps even criminal. It is addressed to "the lady living at this address" and signed, "One pissed off mother!!!!*"
*The number, but not the frequency, of exclamation and question marks used in the letter has been approximated in this post. It reads:
I also live in this neighbourhood and have a problem!!!! You have a kid that is mentally handicapped and you consciously decided that it would be a good idea to live in a close proximity neighgbourhood like this???? You selfishly put your kid outside everyday and let him be a nothing but a nuisance and a problem to everyone else with that noise polluting whaling he constantly makes!!! That noise he makes when he is outside is DREADFUL!!!!!!!!!! It scares the hell out of my normal children!!!!!!!!!
The letter goes on to state:
Crying babies, music and even barking dogs are normal sounds in a residential neighbourhood!!!!! He is NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is a nuisance to everyone and will always be that way!!!!!! Who the hell is going to care for him????????? No employer will hire him, no normal girl is going to marry/love him and you are not going to live forever!!
T]hey should take whatever non slowed body parts he possesses and donate it to science. What the hell else good is he to anyone!!!!
You had a slowed kid, deal with it... properly!!!!! What right do you have to do this to hard working people!!!!!!!!!
I HATE people like you who believe, just because you have a special needs kid, you are entitled to special treatment!!! GOD!!!!
Go live in a tralier in the woods or something with your wild animal kid!!! Nobody wants you living here and they don't have the guts to tell you!!!!!
Do the right thing and move or euthanize him!!! Either way, we are ALL better off!!!
According to CityNews, the neighbourhood has come out in support of the Begley family and is trying to determine who sent the letter. The reaction on Twitter was no less severe.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/ontario-police-aware-hateful-letter-telling-family-euthanize-171036930.html

 Ma55ter_fett wrote:
A most unpleasent person wrote that note.

 Goliath wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
This letter smells like a prank, albeit about as bad taste as you can get. My money is on the author being a cadre of 13-14 year-old kids, rather than an uppity adult.

Well whomever it is, I would like them to step on a Lego brick barefooted.

 motyak wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs wrote:
Slowed? I'm pretty sure autism has alot of bad names, but I don't think this one is appropriate. One of my friends has asbergers, that doesn't stop him from taking BC calc in his sophomore year.

Aspergers disorder and autism are two very different things. Someone with Aspergers can easily make friends and appear completely normal. People with autism can't do so easily.
Common misconception
Edit: Aparently Aspergers is a higher form of Autism, despite being largely different. Why it wouldn't be considered as a different phenomena is beyond me. Same spirit to the post, what evs.

It is on the Autism Spectrum, yes, and patients do tend to be higher functioning. Also, it is not a diagnosis in and of itself in the new DSM. Instead they'll all be a measured by their place on the spectrum.

Really, it couldn't be further from 'same spirit, what evs'.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

Again, this is starting to be a motto of mine, but when has mankind ever been very good at predicting sh*t.
It is a different phenomena in that in incredibly higher functioning Aspergers the symptoms are completely unnoticeable except under the most extreme of scrutiny.
Edit: that doesn't say much but whereas low functioning autism can be attributed to flat out mental retar*ation ( you're not censoring me with words that don't have vaguely the same definition) Aspergers in all cases is simply a social disorder.

 motyak wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

Again, this is starting to be a motto of mine, but when has mankind ever been very good at predicting sh*t.
It is a different phenomena in that in incredibly higher functioning Aspergers the symptoms are completely unnoticeable except under the most extreme of scrutiny.
Edit: that doesn't say much but whereas low functioning autism can be attributed to flat out mental retar*ation ( you're not censoring me with words that don't have vaguely the same definition) Aspergers in all cases is simply a social disorder.

Except for the cases involving people who actually study the field for a job, and cases where the diagnosis is from the DSM, and cases in medical journals and the scientific community at large. But yeah, apart from those cases, you are right.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

I knew you'd be attracted to a fight. You like to argue don't you?
Regardless the differences of severity of symptoms between the two and ability of people with Aspergers to function in society show that it's far too broad of a spectra.
Again look at my new personal motto.

 motyak wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

I knew you'd be attracted to a fight. You like to argue don't you?
Regardless the differences of severity of symptoms between the two and ability of people with Aspergers to function in society show that it's far too broad of a spectra.
Again look at my new personal motto.

However the scientific community disagrees with you, seeing as it was only just moved from a slightly separate diagnosis to a spectrum diagnosis. This change wasn't made back when homosexuality was classified as a disorder, this change was made in the latest edition of the DSM. You can give your opinion all that you want, and its fine, but you have to be aware of the weight of evidence and educated opinion against you.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 motyak wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

I knew you'd be attracted to a fight. You like to argue don't you?
Regardless the differences of severity of symptoms between the two and ability of people with Aspergers to function in society show that it's far too broad of a spectra.
Again look at my new personal motto.

However the scientific community disagrees with you, seeing as it was only just moved from a slightly separate diagnosis to a spectrum diagnosis. This change wasn't made back when homosexuality was classified as a disorder, this change was made in the latest edition of the DSM. You can give your opinion all that you want, and its fine, but you have to be aware of the weight of evidence and educated opinion against you.

I love how when I called you on it, you stopped personally arguing.
But yeah I'm fine with having differing opinions to the "scientific community"

 motyak wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 motyak wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

I knew you'd be attracted to a fight. You like to argue don't you?
Regardless the differences of severity of symptoms between the two and ability of people with Aspergers to function in society show that it's far too broad of a spectra.
Again look at my new personal motto.

However the scientific community disagrees with you, seeing as it was only just moved from a slightly separate diagnosis to a spectrum diagnosis. This change wasn't made back when homosexuality was classified as a disorder, this change was made in the latest edition of the DSM. You can give your opinion all that you want, and its fine, but you have to be aware of the weight of evidence and educated opinion against you.

I love how when I called you on it, you stopped personally arguing.
But yeah I'm fine with having differing opinions to the "scientific community"

I don't understand, my comment before this one, as well as my first one, referenced the DSM at a minimum, which in and of itself represents the majority of the scientific community in this area.

And @Inquisitor, that therapy would only work in some cases, the multiple comorbidities that patients with an ASD present with often contibute to the social problems along with the ASD itself. Something like 70-80% IIRC of patients with an ASD have at least one comorbidity, be it an anxiety disorder, a reading disorder, or a degree of limited mental development, and as such advocating a possibly harmful treatment because you have apparently seen it work once is probably not the best idea, since these cases are so varied.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Most Autistic kids never become normal because people try to shelter them and teach them social skills in classes instead of shoving them out of the nest and letting them interact with normal people or using aversion therapy to get rid of their off putting mannerisms. I had to do all that gak myself, and it's only by chance that it happened.

I'm considering starting a one on one service for training Autistic people to act relatively normally. The problem is that I don't see many parents paying my to take their manchildren to bars, smoke hooka, get drunk, and have premarital sex.

 motyak wrote:
The personal attacks are unwarranted Primordial, yes I implied that those were my beliefs. Why? Because they are. How is it surprising that I find the DSM, along with other papers and discussions with members of the community, to be a quite useful tool in developing my opinion, and that the opinion would end up reflecting most of the beliefs that I picked up?

At least we agree that exposure therapy isn't the best idea because of how different each case can be. While one patient may take to that really well, it could well damage another almost beyond help.

 motyak wrote:
And @Inquisitor, that therapy would only work in some cases, the multiple comorbidities that patients with an ASD present with often contibute to the social problems along with the ASD itself. Something like 70-80% IIRC of patients with an ASD have at least one comorbidity, be it an anxiety disorder, a reading disorder, or a degree of limited mental development, and as such advocating a possibly harmful treatment because you have apparently seen it work once is probably not the best idea, since these cases are so varied.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 motyak wrote:
The personal attacks are unwarranted Primordial, yes I implied that those were my beliefs. Why? Because they are. How is it surprising that I find the DSM, along with other papers and discussions with members of the community, to be a quite useful tool in developing my opinion, and that the opinion would end up reflecting most of the beliefs that I picked up?

At least we agree that exposure therapy isn't the best idea because of how different each case can be. While one patient may take to that really well, it could well damage another almost beyond help.

All chainswords are very sharp aren't they? This is a very good community and I was implying that. If I wanted to "personally attack" you I would have done it a lot more blatantly and used a lot more curse words. Some which I guarantee you don't know..........
Exposure therapy is the only real way for someone on the ,again, ABSURDLY broad spectra to become completely normal. It's worth a shot, lets just say that.
There aren't any other treatments that have a chance of making things work out that well.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 motyak wrote:
And @Inquisitor, that therapy would only work in some cases, the multiple comorbidities that patients with an ASD present with often contibute to the social problems along with the ASD itself. Something like 70-80% IIRC of patients with an ASD have at least one comorbidity, be it an anxiety disorder, a reading disorder, or a degree of limited mental development, and as such advocating a possibly harmful treatment because you have apparently seen it work once is probably not the best idea, since these cases are so varied.

I think that a lot of social anxiety disorders can be overcome just by having the patients interact with a small group of people who agree not to judge them and who the patient will feel comfortable around, then working them up slowly to interact with other people. Plus I also think that some social anxiety disorders are caused by the sheltering and having Autistic people interact in the fake environment of their social skills groups. Those social skills groups to do jack gak for helping Autistic people interact with people outside the group. I've know Autistic people in social skills groups and who received social training from the school who still ran around the school making weird noises and that sort of gak.

I've also seen a lot of Autistic people who seem like they could be completely normal, if their parent's hadn't fething sheltered them. There was one kid on a documentary who had super heroes as his own personal heroes. He seemed perfectly intelligent and functional, and were it not for the fact that his parents kept him in a fething fantasy world and tried to keep him "sweet" instead of trying to make him normal like he fething could have been. Instead of being in that group home filled with other *******s, he could be at a hooka bar with serious friends. I can't deal with the fake friendships that people try to make in those fake Autistic social settings. They follow a fething list for talking to you and don't do any of the things that actually build relationships.

 Mr Nobody wrote:
I hope so, I can't imagine someone being that deliberately cruel.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Most Autistic kids never become normal because people try to shelter them and teach them social skills in classes instead of shoving them out of the nest and letting them interact with normal people or using aversion therapy to get rid of their off putting mannerisms. I had to do all that gak myself, and it's only by chance that it happened.

I'm considering starting a one on one service for training Autistic people to act relatively normally. The problem is that I don't see many parents paying my to take their manchildren to bars, smoke hooka, get drunk, and have premarital sex.

You can't really believe that what worked for you will work for everyone else, right? I've had autistic kids with a very slight intellectual disability not be able to learn the alphabet. Going to bars was the last thing that kid needed to have "a complete and meaningful life." We were hoping to get him to wait until the light was green before he crossed the street. He finally got better services, thankfully.

You might be very functional, but don't believe everyone can be. Moreso, don't expect everyone to be, I don't think we can expect that at our point in time.

 motyak wrote:
Again, inquisitor, it isn't that they are all have anxiety as a comorbidity. Some have mental retardation of various extents, some have motor disorders, tourettes, suffer seizures, have limited senses, etc. That is why you can't say 'oh it works alright for people who have anxiety problems', because those problems are often coming along with a whole bunch of other comorbidities which would make that treatment unuseable.

 Portugal Jones wrote:

 Mr Nobody wrote:
I hope so, I can't imagine someone being that deliberately cruel.

There was a parent at my school who had an absolute freakout that the special education class was allowed to mingle with the rest of the school and not kept locked away in a dark basement somewhere. I really wish that I'd called her a stupid witch to her face when I had the chance...

 motyak wrote:
I have a question, why do people insist on calling it assburgers, donkeyburgers etc? The word burgers isn't even in it. It is spelt Asperger, yet it seems that this, and this alone, is so very often intentionally spelt wrong. I can get people spelling Schizophrenia "Skitzophrenia' or something along those lines, if they have never seen it written before/don't have autocorrect, but this is like calling it "Skillsoframia" or something completely off the wall.

And yeah, I must have posted just before you did Inquisitor, treatment for higher functioning patients is different to treatment for the rest though, at least in my experience, because you treat to the patient and not the diagnosis. Perhaps you are just living in an area that is a bit worse off in terms of the quality of psychologists etc. Thats one of the only things that I could see leading to massive mistreatment like you describe, if it is indeed as you describe it.