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 Lynata wrote:
Yeah, although I would point out that it's still possible the GKs would not have fallen - they merely wanted an insurance, to make sure they wouldn't fall.

Quite possible. Though if they'd had an innate, willpower-based immunity to Chaotic corruption, one would think that they would be aware of it and seen no need to employ blood magic.

Don't mean to sound like I'm bashing the GKs btw. Their approach works, none of them have fallen (yet).

 Lynata wrote:
This reminds me of the Black Library story "Daemonblood" written by Ben Counter.

Oh, I remember reading that as a kid. Good story. Just recently found the book it's in again, actually. Gotta read through it again sometime.

 Lynata wrote:
I know the Bloodtide has been mentioned once before, but I can't recall the specifics of how it was described to function. Interestingly, the GK Codex implies that the Sisters who were afflicted by the Bloodtide (some of them are said to have succumbed) just dropped dead, but did not turn, so the Bloodtide seems to function more like a Warpspawned "epidemy" rather than a case of mass possession.

A similar incident could be observed with the zombie plague on Subiaco Diablo during the 13th Black Crusade. Here is the account of one Sister Anastasia, a character featured in GW's Inquisitor RPG, who was unable to withstand this unnatural sickness (although she later recovered of her own strength), in case you're interested.

Thanks for that, it was a very interesting story, helps shine light on the effects of daemonic plagues. The WayBackMachine is also quite nice, I had started to forget what the old GW site had in regards to resources!

Troike wrote:I dunno, I think it's a little more complex than that. Horus apparently regreted what he had become just before Big E killed him, suggesting that the "real" him was to some extent "buried" under the Chaotic influence. I'd say there's a distinction to be made between willingly embracing Chaos and having one's free will steadily subverted or even taken away completely.

I dunno... Maybe, but I could argue that a person always retains their own personality, regardless of whether you're embracing Chaos willingly or are forcibly subverted. Actually, that's what I've been saying above: You need to "open up" your soul and let Chaos in. It doesn't matter whether this happens voluntarily (slow corruption by promises, actively seeking out Chaos for personal power) or subconsciously (either by force or by seeding doubt in your mind). I think there is also a considerable overlap between these two approaches, for example I'm not entirely sure whether doubt would lead to voluntarily embracing Chaos or if it would classify as a subconscious decision since you're basically "tricked" into it. The only thing that protects you is the strength of your will resisting temptation as well as resisting physical and psychic harm.

A corruption of the soul is a corruption of the soul. That doesn't terminate the personality, and it even opens up the possibility for redemption, as rare as that may be. The corrupted Sergeant Castus in the abovementioned story, for example, also renounced his affiliation to Chaos just before he died.

This reminds me of the end of the novel Fulgrim. After obtaining his demon sword, the Primarch begins to listens to its suggestions, but only at the end of the book does he decide to completely let himself go, and it is at that moment that he feels himself entirely pulled away from his body, after which point the demon in the sword completely takes over.

I could see the effects of plagues/demonic influences overriding basic thought processes and instilling corrupted drives (e.g. drive to kill, attack) that simply supplant one's own desires. It reminds me of old zombie movies, particularly the way they call out for "brains". In some people are even aware of the insanity of what they want buy hey, they're zombies- they can't help themselves!

From what I've seen, the closest any Grey Knight has ever gotten to falling to Chaos was Justicar Alaric in Hammer of Daemons.

Troike wrote:Quite possible. Though if they'd had an innate, willpower-based immunity to Chaotic corruption, one would think that they would be aware of it and seen no need to employ blood magic.
Don't mean to sound like I'm bashing the GKs btw. Their approach works, none of them have fallen (yet).

Yeah, I just think they may have an innate resistance, but use blood magic to boost it.
They probably wouldn't really know when it's needed and when not, given that it is difficult to quantify someone's willpower, let alone a "level of corruption", so maybe they just go "the extra mile" on particularly dangerous assignments such as that one.

And no worries, I didn't want to insinuate you'd bash them. I'm just occasionally playing devil's advocate to let my posts come across as more neutral, and my interpretations as less one-sided.
People are much more likely to agree with you when you're not representing an extreme. Sisters fans in particular need to be careful, as we often find ourselves argueing against the extreme parts of the much more numerous Marine fanbase. By presenting a more grounded argument, however, you can score points with the more openminded segment. #psychology101

Accolade wrote:The WayBackMachine is also quite nice, I had started to forget what the old GW site had in regards to resources!

Absolutely! Happy hunting with that link; the "characters" section of that archived page takes you to a ton of fluff on all sorts of characters you rarely read about, including stuff like how the Navis Nobilite is organised or how Tau ambassadors work.

Why is this thread two pages long?

The first post that said "Grey Knights are incorruptable- Coteaz is not a Grey Knight" should have been /thread.

People like to discuss related topics as well.

It's easier to do so in the existing thread rather than creating a new one for every single question somebody has.

Negative Ghost Rider. I'm calling in the NASAssassins to quarantine this topic.

I don't see what the problem is. It was immediately established that Coteaz was not a Grey Knight and most of the rest of the conversation has been about whether or not Grey Knights are 100% incorruptible under any and all circumstances.

I suppose the thread title isn't the best but I hardly see why it would need to be locked since it is all background inquiry nonetheless (and still related to the original post at that).

Sigh.

It needs to be locked because it is a portalglyph for evil.

Didn't a paladin become corrupted when he tried to make it into Slaanesh's layer? I'm pretty sure I read that in the demon codex.

 spacewolved wrote:
Didn't a paladin become corrupted when he tried to make it into Slaanesh's layer? I'm pretty sure I read that in the demon codex.

An astartes in silver armour was corrupted. It could possibly have been someone from the myriad of space marine chapters that wear silver armour.

 spacewolved wrote:
Didn't a paladin become corrupted when he tried to make it into Slaanesh's layer? I'm pretty sure I read that in the demon codex.

No. While I think the whole situation is a pretty transparent dig at Draigo, the Marine's chapter is never named and the codex later confirms that still no Grey Knight has fallen.