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What's the evidence against the kids at this point?

 sebster wrote:
What's the evidence against the kids at this point?

I don't know if they got the weapon or anything like that.

They have the vehicle that they were driving speeding away from the scene on security cameras, which helped track them down.

The big one is the admission of one of the kids.

 d-usa wrote:
I don't know if they got the weapon or anything like that.

They have the vehicle that they were driving speeding away from the scene on security cameras, which helped track them down.

The big one is the admission of one of the kids.

Yeah, it's that I hadn't read anything other than the admission that got me wondering. My mind went back to the Central Park Jogger - with the right police techniques its shockingly easy to get a confession out of innocent people, especially when they're kids. This just sounded, from what little I've read about it, that it was hitting the same beats - lots of moral outrage, and absolute certainty of guilt.

I'm not saying that happened here, I have no clue what led them to the kids and I hope they've got a mountain of evidence. And its good that they have security footage of the car.

Waoaw, i wonder when the NRA starts saying that the gun is not to blame.

There goes my happy face...

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Waoaw, i wonder when the NRA starts saying that the gun is not to blame.

Is the gun to blame because it was the murder weapon? What if they used a cricket bat, would cricket be to blame? Did they obtain these guns lawfully? This is impossible since they're underage and cannot legally own a firearm. So who is to blame, I wouldn't put the blame on the gun simply because it was the murder weapon.

The blame is on whatever aspect of society failed these kids.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Waoaw, i wonder when the NRA starts saying that the gun is not to blame.

Is the gun to blame because it was the murder weapon? What if they used a cricket bat, would cricket be to blame? Did they obtain these guns lawfully? This is impossible since they're underage and cannot legally own a firearm. So who is to blame, I wouldn't put the blame on the gun simply because it was the murder weapon.

The blame is on whatever aspect of society failed these kids.

You can't pretend that it is a societal issue while ignoring the fact that if they had no access to a firearm that things might have been different.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Waoaw, i wonder when the NRA starts saying that the gun is not to blame.

Is the gun to blame because it was the murder weapon? What if they used a cricket bat, would cricket be to blame? Did they obtain these guns lawfully? This is impossible since they're underage and cannot legally own a firearm. So who is to blame, I wouldn't put the blame on the gun simply because it was the murder weapon.

The blame is on whatever aspect of society failed these kids.

You can't pretend that it is a societal issue while ignoring the fact that if they had no access to a firearm that things might have been different.

Yeah, they might have hit him with the vehicle, or a baseball bat, or a brick.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Waoaw, i wonder when the NRA starts saying that the gun is not to blame.

Is the gun to blame because it was the murder weapon? What if they used a cricket bat, would cricket be to blame? Did they obtain these guns lawfully? This is impossible since they're underage and cannot legally own a firearm. So who is to blame, I wouldn't put the blame on the gun simply because it was the murder weapon.

The blame is on whatever aspect of society failed these kids.

You can't pretend that it is a societal issue while ignoring the fact that if they had no access to a firearm that things might have been different.

You know I live in my own fantasy land Kan, I can ignore whatever the feth I want .

But seriously, how is the gun to blame? Did these kids go to a place that sells firearms and legally buy the gun? Well they couldn't have done that, because they can't legally buy a gun under the age of 18. Did they acquire (buy, steal, etc...) the gun from a local gangbanger, family friend, or another such place? Why did they feel they needed the gun in the first place? Were they protecting themselves from another threat or was it because they wanted to seems strong, powerful, and in control (as teens tend to want, they just took it several steps too far).

Who's to say that they wouldn't have done the same with a bat, a knife, or their fists. If these guys were looking to hurt someone because they had nothing better to do, then not having access to a firearm probably would not have stopped them.

I'd join in on this "gun" thing but it's utterly pointless to even try debate it.

Also:

 MrDwhitey wrote:

I can't even tell if that's sarcasm anymore. :(

 daedalus wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:

I can't even tell if that's sarcasm anymore. :(

Holy fething gak... That's fethed up, and you're right I can't tell if it's sarcasm or not.

As to the whole gun thing, I'd believe that the gun is to blame if the kids said, "we wouldn't have done it if we didn't have a gun" or something along those lines. I'm just saying that if these kids killed this guy because they were bored, I don't think the lack of a firearm would have stopped them.

I'm interested in how these three got the gun in the first place.

I blame the car manufacturers for making cars so that you can shoot people on the move, while I'm at it I blame lane for thinking he can take a jog in suburbia. These kids are innocent, can't you see that the white man made them do it! BLAME CANADA!

As for evidence, there is security video tape from local businesses, thats what lead to such a quick arrest. What exactly is on the tape, I don't think we know yet.

The one thing that keeps popping into my head for all the people that really do look at this as racial. If Lane had been Black and walking the streets of Chicago or NYC in a hoody.......would police have solved his murder so quickly? My wife worked in a major urban triage ward in Cleveland during her residency, so many times people would come in that were just randomly shot like this, usually in the ass. It was very strange.

 MrDwhitey wrote:

Facebook is not news. Unless it is, then I'm going to start taking pictures of the stuff on bathroom stalls and using it to further my goals. None of those goals involve having a good time though.

Thankfully no-one has said it's news.

Are people here really trying to start a gun debate over this killing? The victim was killed because the perpetrators were bored and didn't have enough decency to realise that boredom is never a justification for harming anyone else.

Lets put the blame where it belongs - firmly on the shoulders of those who carried out this horrible deed.

3 Black teens, aye?

 Medium of Death wrote:
3 Black teens, aye?

Actually, I believe they are all probably mixed race. (I don't think you can be pure black, unless you just immigrated here). Luna's' Mom is as white as you get....white trash though from what I have read about her. They do however fit the stereo type of Urban Youths if you look at their everyday pics, Urban culture is directly linked to "evil blacks" in most peoples minds.
"They listen to Rap, come from the hood and wear baggy clothes, they are black no matter what race they are" That's what many people believe.

Looks like 2 black teens and one archetypal redneck reprobate to me.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-20/mother-of-youth-accused-of-killing-chris-lane-27in-disbelief27/4899776

Ah and here we have the "My son's a good boy and couldn't have done this" Defense. Listen to this lady.

The thing that bugs me about this whole thing...

"We were bored. We wanted something to do and we decided to kill somebody."

That is not the statement of a normal person, that is not the statement of someone even remotely remorseful for their actions. That is the statement of someone that should be locked up in a hole so dark, and so deep that they forget what the sun looks like.

 Alfndrate wrote:
The thing that bugs me about this whole thing...

"We were bored. We wanted something to do and we decided to kill somebody."

That is not the statement of a normal person, that is not the statement of someone even remotely remorseful for their actions. That is the statement of someone that should be locked up in a hole so dark, and so deep that they forget what the sun looks like.

Or their robbery went bad and now they are fronting that they are crazy killers so hard because these three kids will look so pretty to the old boys in prison.

 Monster Rain wrote:
Looks like 2 black teens and one archetypal redneck reprobate to me.

Honestly, and I'm not saying you do as you were just replying to others above, but I don't understand why it matters. Shouldn't matter if they're black or white or purple. All it should take is looking at whether they're genuinely utter filth (as though they appear to be from everything I've read), and if so, then into the wood chipper they go.

Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic

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and Daedalus, I agree. Their race and color of their skin shouldn't matter.

 daedalus wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
Looks like 2 black teens and one archetypal redneck reprobate to me.

Honestly, and I'm not saying you do as you were just replying to others above, but I don't understand why it matters. Shouldn't matter if they're black or white or purple. All it should take is looking at whether they're genuinely utter filth (as though they appear to be from everything I've read), and if so, then into the wood chipper they go.

The only reason I think it's really important is the term "three black teens" is getting thrown around a bit, and it's not terribly accurate.

But yes, I'm an equal opportunity kind of guy. Into the wood chipper with all three of them if they are found guilty.

On the gun comment easy access makes easy use, on the comment on they use bats or cars, in countries with stricter gun rules you don't hear much about use of car or bat in a drive by.

Those 3 pictures look like befor and after pictures.

 daedalus wrote:
This amount of senseless evil is precisely the moment I think clamoring for blood is appropriate. People who actually think like this can never function in a healthy manner with the rest of us, and the resources spent keeping them alive are better spent on those who contribute to the higher society you refer to.

I'm usually among the first to rally against any sort of strict prison sentences, but to the soylent green factories with these ones.

Someone is free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that between the cost of the courts, the time and resources needed to obtain a proper conviction and the lengthy appeals process, it is generally more cost effective to keep someone imprisoned for life than it is to have them given the death penalty.

Is this no longer the case?

 sebster wrote:
What's the evidence against the kids at this point?

Who cares, there is - somehow - liberal hypocrisy to gnash teeth over!

I mean, that's literally the first post in the thread

Thanks Obama...

How many post here are actually only focused in the case, and not a backhanded comment about race, liberals, etc?