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7 kits is a huge amount. But how many did Dark Eldar get in the beginning?, like 4?, 5? and that was a revamp?

If some were Finecrap then I could believe this.

 Azazelx wrote:
You're such a big, tough man.

I cannot help it if the repetition of the same pattern is amusing. Remember "Summer of Flyers"? The massive list of leaked upcoming releases including an Allies supplement? the 6th edition playtest ruleset? All of which were either fake or grossly inaccurate, all of which the community believed in. Hell, even i bought into that list for a while, since it was the most elaborate con job we'd seen in the rumors front in a while, with product codes and dozens upon dozens of entries.

The Inquisitor game too had all kinds of verisimilitudinous details posted, and now it's all called into question.

If memory serves, and it may not, the last DE release only got them plastic Corsairs and Cold One Knights; most of the rest was metal -> FineCast which a disturbingly large amount of the DE range is still made from. That fact is the only thing that keeps me from dismissing the rumor completely.

As I said, Blackguard/Executioners could make a dual kit, and would replace two FineCast regiments. Witch Elves are currently FineCast so they too would make sense, probably with some sort of new unit since GW loves dual-kits these days. Cauldron of Blood and some other sort of similar big kit to satisfy tick the "big thing dual kit" box. Past that, I'm not sure GW would do much unless it's a complete change in strategy. It would align with some other rumors that GW is trying to completely phase out FineCast and this could be the experiment on if they can do it all at once, but I'm highly skeptical based on how much GW has done in the past.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
You're such a big, tough man.

I cannot help it if the repetition of the same pattern is amusing. Remember "Summer of Flyers"? The massive list of leaked upcoming releases including an Allies supplement? the 6th edition playtest ruleset? All of which were either fake or grossly inaccurate, all of which the community believed in. Hell, even i bought into that list for a while, since it was the most elaborate con job we'd seen in the rumors front in a while, with product codes and dozens upon dozens of entries.

The Inquisitor game too had all kinds of verisimilitudinous details posted, and now it's all called into question.

I think all of the above have been discussed with a fair bit of scepticism. The 40K playtest rules for switching Shooting/Assault, the release list with product codes for omitting Warhammer Fantasy, the Inquisitor thing for being.. well.. a "small" game allegedly.

Just because rumours are discussed doesn't mean they are unambiguously taken for a fact. Infact, since most people here are aware of these examples you mentioned, I am pretty sure most people take any rumour with the appropriate amount of salt.

It would be a very hard case to make that "the community" fell for any of these without reservation or second thoughts, no?

That's funny...I've heard whispers that some kind of mystery item is on the way. And Tasty's track record is pretty good, IIRC. Seven boxed sets is also a reason to be skeptical of that that DElf info.

Still, the past year has shown us that we probably shouldn't dismiss rumors on the basis of being "too much stuff" in a given time span. So perhaps there will be a mystery box AND a more limited DElf release in the same month.

Something to consider about the potential validity of this rumour is that the dark elf army is still overwhelmingly composed of finecast units. GW has been moving away from regiments of finecast. As it stands, the following are finecast/metal:
-Harpies
-Dark riders (old style elven plastic horses)
-Witch elves
-Executioners
-Black guard
-Chariot
-Hydra
-Bolt thrower
-Cauldron of Blood

On the one hand, seven plastic boxes is unprecedented. However, I don't see GW leaving so many units in a medium we've heard they want to move away from. It could be, as others have suggested, that we're looking at a couple of waves of releases.

As to whether or not we'll see the mystery box. What happened last year when Dreadfleet was released. Was there a concurrent major army release for 40k / fantasy?

Dark Eldar would note its not so unprecedented, its just they did waves back then, and not so much now.

In general I take all rumours without pics as 50-50, but it going to be a case of DAMN! *Ron Simmons style* if this is true.

For one I started a new Empire army less than two months ago based on the thought that Dark Elves would be deep into next year at best, and most of that is in boxes. Second I picked up a Dark Elf battalion on the basis that GW would never replace the horror show of the old warriors kit.

I suppose two units worth of recycling material for the fate Gods would be worth it for new versions.

Wallet is going to cry.

I can believe this, 7 plastic kits seems like a lot in one go, but it is one of the better selling WHFB armies from my own experience.

 NELS1031 wrote:
I can believe this, 7 plastic kits seems like a lot in one go, but it is one of the better selling WHFB armies from my own experience.

It's amazing the difference a powerful book makes.

This will be a love hate issue for me. I'll love the new models, I'll hate the cost.

New core infantry is a mixed bag. On the one hand it'd take a miracle for GW to release models that aren't better than the current ones, on the other they'd have to be so pretty that I can justify the cost of models that I already have being replaced.

For harpies, I agree that the old models need an update, but the unit is only ever run in 5's, so a full plastic kit would be way overkill(especially for models that don't count towards core %). I expect a new finecast set for them, likey priced at $50. I'll continue to use my Gargoyle/Daemonette conversions for the foreseeable future.

 Aerethan wrote:
This will be a love hate issue for me. I'll love the new models, I'll hate the cost.

New core infantry is a mixed bag. On the one hand it'd take a miracle for GW to release models that aren't better than the current ones, on the other they'd have to be so pretty that I can justify the cost of models that I already have being replaced.

For harpies, I agree that the old models need an update, but the unit is only ever run in 5's, so a full plastic kit would be way overkill(especially for models that don't count towards core %). I expect a new finecast set for them, likey priced at $50. I'll continue to use my Gargoyle/Daemonette conversions for the foreseeable future.

That assumes that Harpies aren't potentially be changed. I could see them getting a bit better and potentially being usable as cheap, disposable screens for Cult of Khaine forces.
Or they could be pulling a Zombie on them and allowing for them to be "summoned".

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
This will be a love hate issue for me. I'll love the new models, I'll hate the cost.

New core infantry is a mixed bag. On the one hand it'd take a miracle for GW to release models that aren't better than the current ones, on the other they'd have to be so pretty that I can justify the cost of models that I already have being replaced.

For harpies, I agree that the old models need an update, but the unit is only ever run in 5's, so a full plastic kit would be way overkill(especially for models that don't count towards core %). I expect a new finecast set for them, likey priced at $50. I'll continue to use my Gargoyle/Daemonette conversions for the foreseeable future.

That assumes that Harpies aren't potentially be changed. I could see them getting a bit better and potentially being usable as cheap, disposable screens for Cult of Khaine forces.
Or they could be pulling a Zombie on them and allowing for them to be "summoned".

Good point, they could very well have their role changed. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for them to get new models as the old ones are like 20 years old and terrible looking. As they stand now, my kitbash looks quite nice and costs about the same for 10 models as 5 do in finecast.

 Krinsath wrote:
Another major reason to be skeptical is a rumor of 7 new plastic kits including re-makes. If their most popular line for their most popular game only gets 4 new kits with a recut of their troops, I have a hard time believing they'd sink that much into a WHFB range at this point. Witch elves and a Black Guard/Executioner box would make sense, as would anything else eliminating FineCast, but if they didn't redo any of the high elf core boxes why would they redo 2 Dark Elf ones?

If you take the "already in plastic" nonsense out it becomes more credible, but this sounds like wishlisting/traffic grab more than a rumor I'd put any stock in without corroboration.

The 7 new releases could be true, look at the dark Eldar the entire range was redone, troops, elites, vehicles etc....definately more than 7 new releases and it cannot be argued that dark Eldar are/were one of the most popular armies.

Given the current state of Dark Elves, 7 releases is not surprising. You think GW doesn't know exactly how few finecast infantry they've sold?

For the army to be a competitive option in the line, they NEED the infantry updates. The Cold One Chariot has been out of production for years. If it is going to be released, clearly it needs a new model.

Interesting that the Shades are not mentioned as getting a plastic kit though.

The current shade models aren't terrible, and mostly suffer from the same problem as harpies, in that people don't often run that many of them.

It'd be nice if they got the Shadow Warrior treatment and were dual kit with something new.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Interesting that the Shades are not mentioned as getting a plastic kit though.

Horror scenario - Shades share a kit with Witch Elves.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Interesting that the Shades are not mentioned as getting a plastic kit though.

Horror scenario - Shades share a kit with Witch Elves.

More horror scenario:
Shades and Witch Elves are a dual kit like the Shadow Warriors and Sisters of Avelorn.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Interesting that the Shades are not mentioned as getting a plastic kit though.

Horror scenario - Shades share a kit with Witch Elves.

More horror scenario:
Shades and Witch Elves are a dual kit like the Shadow Warriors and Sisters of Avelorn.

We can only hope that the witch elves actually look like females this time.

Shadow Warriors could easily be dual kitted with Dark Riders, but it looks like that kit already has a second half.

 Aerethan wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Interesting that the Shades are not mentioned as getting a plastic kit though.

Horror scenario - Shades share a kit with Witch Elves.

More horror scenario:
Shades and Witch Elves are a dual kit like the Shadow Warriors and Sisters of Avelorn.

We can only hope that the witch elves actually look like females this time.

Speaking as someone who has the kit, the paint job really was lacking for the Sisters. They do look fairly feminine considering they have armored legs and torsos, with the faces being the only "overtly female" part.

What made the kit so bad is that they decided they needed something to differentiate the Sisters and Shadow Warriors, which ended up with the Shadow Warriors being forced to have swords and bows out while the Sisters are actively firing.

Shades could easily be dual kitted with Dark Riders, but it looks like that kit already has a second half.

Yep. "Warlocks", whatever they are.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Shades and Witch Elves are a dual kit like the Shadow Warriors and Sisters of Avelorn.

Well I was trying to approach the issue in a delicate manner, but yeah, that's the thing I had in mind there.

I wish the new Witches would look like Lilith. They probably won't.

Aye if Witch Elves get Daemonetted I'll be unhappy.

It would be poor indeed for them to make them less feminine in form given the usual imagery they use...........

Guess just have to keep buying Raging Heroes ones if they do

 Mr Morden wrote:
It would be poor indeed for them to make them less feminine in form given the usual imagery they use...........

Guess just have to keep buying Raging Heroes ones if they do

Actually, Warhammer Online did a good job of "Daemonetting" them.

They look less like "Girls Gone Witchy Wild" and more like "Brides of Khaine".

I have the book and in that and looking on line - they still appear to have lots of sleek toned flesh on display?

 Mr Morden wrote:
I have the book and in that and looking on line - they still appear to have lots of sleek toned flesh on display?

They are referring to the vast under sexualization that Daemonettes received when they were last updated. No bare breasts/nipples.

I agree that if the new witches are not as seductive as they are written to be that the Ragin Heroes will be standing in for me.

 Aerethan wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I have the book and in that and looking on line - they still appear to have lots of sleek toned flesh on display?

They are referring to the vast under sexualization that Daemonettes received when they were last updated. No bare breasts/nipples.

I agree that if the new witches are not as seductive as they are written to be that the Ragin Heroes will be standing in for me.

That's the problem though.

Why does "seductive" need to be bare breasts?

 Denilsta wrote:

The 7 new releases could be true, look at the dark Eldar the entire range was redone, troops, elites, vehicles etc....definately more than 7 new releases and it cannot be argued that dark Eldar are/were one of the most popular armies.

The Dark Eldar release was a complete aesthetic revamp; almost no units from the old range were carried forward. This would clearly not be the case here unless they decided to ditch Black Ark Corsairs, which would be entirely unlikely. The Cold One Knights are also not in so bad of shape as to require complete resculpts.

Now, there certainly exists the possibilities that: A) GW has increased their production capacity since the Tau supply debacle, but absent that I doubt they have the capacity to follow Space Marines, again their flagship range for their (now) flagship game, with a huge release like this list claims, B) That they would redo the Cold One Knights (which are already a passable plastic kit when they declined to redo any of the dated High Elf kits) because they have some other unit that they could dual-kit it with, C) That the rumors about any characters were left off, because they're not as interesting even though every release of late has included at least one plastic character, and D) that the Reaper, Shades and Harpies were similarly overlooked as they're all currently FineCast but not included in the rumor.

None of those things are impossible, and could all be true. Their presence all together in this rumor makes me skeptical until more sources come around to confirm this.

I have to laugh, people had been asking for plastic Wirch Elves for years and its 'rumoured' we are now going to get some....and people are already potentially writing them off and saying they will look at alternatives!

 Kanluwen wrote:

Why does "seductive" need to be bare breasts?

What could be more seductive? No pants?