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 MajorTom11 wrote:
I think he just means he wants heroes and marines etc to be the focus of the books, not following around a janitor who observes them.

In that case I'd like to point out that the character I was describing was an actor, not an observer.

@Trondheim: So your personal expectation of “it's 40k, so it has to be about military “ makes differrent hopes or expectations inherently stupid? I don't think that's what you wanted to say, but it might look that way when you make fun of af scenario like that. and people will probably iinterprete all of your following, reasonable posts in the same way.

 Melissia wrote:


But the day to day lives and (mis)adventures of citizens on a planet within the Imperium (especially during times of conflict, be it political, social, military, or any combination) could provide a great book, even allowing for action scenes without forcing it to be a military thing.

THERE IS ONLY WAR.And grimdark.

Obvious answer ( ) aside, I'd quite like to hear more about Malice. Apart from just the fact that he's a Chaos God who hasn't been fleshed out much, what we do know about him is very interesting indeed. His followers are pretty much anarchists, and he can actually manifest in the materium if the right conditions are met . A novel about his followers going up against the Imperium would have some potential.

You don't need war to be grimdark. Or grimdark to have war.

Nor do you need to be in the military to be effected by war; nor do you need to be in the military to be an actor/participant in war.

Ergo, one can have both war and grimdarkness without forcing the main character to always be a member of an organized, professional military force.

Yeah, anything besides Space Marines, really.

In fact, a general shift away from Astartes/Guard-centric all-out-war style stories in favour of more insight of the non-Imperial factions, and also the Imperial factions besides the main two. You've got Navy, Mechanicum, Inquisition, Rogue Traders, Navigator Guilds, Arbites, Sisters of Battle, etc.

Although there's plenty of Guard material about, I'd particularly enjoy a good Storm Trooper series/trilogy. Definitely interested in the Imperial Navy, like a similar series to X-Wing, but in the 40K 'verse. Follow a close knit fighter wing, or perhaps a bomber crew.

I've stuck pretty close to war stories, but there's plenty of room for all kinds of stories that could be really cool with that 40K flavour. I quite like the idea (and I've said many times) of a Firefly-style look at some RT adventures, or like a Blade Runner-esque noir detective tale in SPAAAACE.

Etc, etc. So yeah, something other than "invincible space men go blam-blam against squishy alien things we win the end" would be nice.

 Ratius wrote:
The Halo stars and other unchartered Galactic areas which are teasered. On the one hand leaving it open to the imagination is cool but on the other a bit more info would be great too.

See the Priests/Lords/Gods of Mars series (Gods not released yet). Pre-Strife Humanity tech is ... well, it's crazy. It can regenerate entire star systems.

More books from the view of da orks.I'm fed up of being the enemy I wanna be the one humie readers root for.

Da krimson barun wrote:
More books from the view of da orks.I'm fed up of being the enemy I wanna be the one humie readers root for.

Well I am trying to write an Ork view point novel. May post someday...when I overcome my procrastination...eventually...

Orkish books, if they were to be wholly accurate to the race, would be fairly unreadable and honestly, a waste of money. You and your uncle would be the only ones to buy it. Not worth it. A comic like they did a while back is a far better medium for Orks.

TheSGC wrote:
Orkish books, if they were to be wholly accurate to the race, would be fairly unreadable and honestly, a waste of money. You and your uncle would be the only ones to buy it. Not worth it. A comic like they did a while back is a far better medium for Orks.

Market it as a black comedy.

It worked for the Room.

Maybe something like "Damage Incorporated" by Marvel.

The group that does the rebuilding when the "heroes" are done fighting the big bad.

- Best methods of patching all pre-heresy buildings when you do not have that tech anymore.
-Getting rid of all those darn little rippers out of the walls.
- Flushing out that last darn gene-stealer out of the sewers.
- Best methods of removing all Ork spores so you do not have a nasty surprise in a little used maintenance access.
- Trying to get those lost and confused death company marines back to their chapter without them killing too many of your group.
- How to wash the stain of warp from a surface.
- How to re-sanctify a holy building after it had been desecrated.
- Means of "processing" bits of zombies that keep insisting on attacking people in the most bizarre of locations.
- Pointers on how to recognize a cult hideout and the steps to be taken.
- Extraction methods for boots from citizen's backsides when "motivated" by Justicars.
- How to plug sudden Necron exit points in your basement.

I tell you, the list is endless.

 Anfauglir wrote:
Yeah, anything besides Space Marines, really.

In fact, a general shift away from Astartes/Guard-centric all-out-war style stories in favour of more insight of the non-Imperial factions, and also the Imperial factions besides the main two. You've got Navy, Mechanicum, Inquisition, Rogue Traders, Navigator Guilds, Arbites, Sisters of Battle, etc.

Although there's plenty of Guard material about, I'd particularly enjoy a good Storm Trooper series/trilogy. Definitely interested in the Imperial Navy, like a similar series to X-Wing, but in the 40K 'verse. Follow a close knit fighter wing, or perhaps a bomber crew.

I've stuck pretty close to war stories, but there's plenty of room for all kinds of stories that could be really cool with that 40K flavour. I quite like the idea (and I've said many times) of a Firefly-style look at some RT adventures, or like a Blade Runner-esque noir detective tale in SPAAAACE.

Etc, etc. So yeah, something other than "invincible space men go blam-blam against squishy alien things we win the end" would be nice.

And so after almost 15 years, mankind is still in love with Firefly, never mind they could demand gene-engineered supermen fighting gods in hell with full-auto rpgs thank you

- Best methods of removing all Ork spores so you do not have a nasty surprise in a little used maintenance access.

 Kain wrote:

TheSGC wrote:
Orkish books, if they were to be wholly accurate to the race, would be fairly unreadable and honestly, a waste of money. You and your uncle would be the only ones to buy it. Not worth it. A comic like they did a while back is a far better medium for Orks.

Market it as a black comedy.

It worked for the Room.

Tyler Perry's Orks.

TheSGC wrote:
Orkish books, if they were to be wholly accurate to the race, would be fairly unreadable

You aren't a very good writer if you're not capable of writing a book with a strong dialect in the dialogue and still make it readable.

I've read numerous books which used dialect and did just damned fine.

Perhaps you should read some of Toni Cade Bambara for an example-- text was written like it was a ten year old speaking with a thick ebonic accent. Was still very, very readable and quite enjoyable.

 Melissia wrote:

TheSGC wrote:
Orkish books, if they were to be wholly accurate to the race, would be fairly unreadable

You aren't a very good writer if you're not capable of writing a book with a strong dialect in the dialogue and still make it readable.

I've read numerous books which used dialect and did just damned fine.

Perhaps you should read some of Toni Cade Bambara for an example-- text was written like it was a ten year old speaking with a thick ebonic accent. Was still very, very readable and quite enjoyable.

So it'd be Da Crimson Baron, his uncle, and you buying the book. I'm sure that's very reassuring to GW.

theres a lot of vahallan stuff in the Cain books, little culture based references.

the Arbites have 3 detailed novels that are pretty good for that kinda stuff plus Cain theres a few who give some insight from his horribly biased P.O.V.

I'd love to see more in the differences between the Legio Titanicus Abnett's book that in the end focusses on the doctrinal differences is brilliant especially the differing skittari.

I'd love to see more artefact style stuff. a Arbite handbook, procedure guides that kind of thing, I'd love to see more stuff like the guard regiment hangers on and camps like the guy in the Ghosts kid growing up in the camp following the regiment those little backstories were amazing.

I want the world around to be more fleshed out really like I love the civi's who popup and tell their stories like the Toymaker in Titanicus or the jewelers and connection makers in the Ravenor series.

hell I want a schola series one day where you follow a dorm's worth of kids through intake onwards see the split into Commisariat, Sister, Stormtrooper with finally rules for scrumball explained. same for the sisters of battle how are they split between the ordos combat, medicae or archivists. theres so much stuff that is little tossed aside references in wider books that combined make the world seem so much more than only war.

Hell I really want a Harriers scrumball shirt.

TheSGC wrote:
So it'd be Da Crimson Baron, his uncle, and you buying the book. I'm sure that's very reassuring to GW.

Just because you wouldn't buy the book doesn't mean that no one else would.

jediknight129 wrote:theres a lot of vahallan stuff in the Cain books, little culture based references.

Given how Mitchell dealt with the Schola Progenium, I'd rather have GW's own authors flesh out Valhalla anyways.

Personal bias, obviously, but I grew up with the core studio books, so that's where I'm feeling most at home. Picking up a Black Library novel I always run a risk of seeing something that just doesn't fit into the stuff I read in a Codex etc.

jediknight129 wrote:hell I want a schola series one day where you follow a dorm's worth of kids through intake onwards see the split into Commisariat, Sister, Stormtrooper with finally rules for scrumball explained.

... exactly the kind of contradictions I mean...

(although something like that could indeed make for a good story ... nowadays, when thinking of the Schola Progenium, I always remember the movie Before the Fall)

 Melissia wrote:

TheSGC wrote:
So it'd be Da Crimson Baron, his uncle, and you buying the book. I'm sure that's very reassuring to GW.

Just because you wouldn't buy the book doesn't mean that no one else would.

Just because you would doesn't mean others would. If this genre was as great as you seem to think it was, it'd have been done in 40k before. It hasn't. And the author you quoted, while culturally relevant, does not seem to have any huge hits. They're all niche books. Writing a niche book in an already niche genre isn't going to happen.

TheSGC wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

TheSGC wrote:
Orkish books, if they were to be wholly accurate to the race, would be fairly unreadable

You aren't a very good writer if you're not capable of writing a book with a strong dialect in the dialogue and still make it readable.

I've read numerous books which used dialect and did just damned fine.

Perhaps you should read some of Toni Cade Bambara for an example-- text was written like it was a ten year old speaking with a thick ebonic accent. Was still very, very readable and quite enjoyable.

So it'd be Da Crimson Baron, his uncle, and you buying the book. I'm sure that's very reassuring to GW.

"DATS DA KRIMSON BARUN TO YOU YA GIT!"As a matter of fact there is a great story on fanfiction called the orks of tam'urt.Its completely readable and Its about 2 female orks(Ignore the fact that their girls)and their brother.2nd page on the warhammer archive.

You can have girl-orks. Orks are actually a genderless race, but they have squigs for everything. Those mohawks? Orks don't have hair. Those are squigs.

Want girl-Orks? Boob-squigs. Done.

It's still a niche form of writing. One that will not be wildly popular or successful. I don't see it happening.

TheSGC wrote:
It's still a niche form of writing. One that will not be wildly popular or successful. I don't see it happening.

Well I guess we can always loot Baneblade and make it orky...(I kind of doubt none spess muhrine/IG books would be successful either)

What?

TheSGC wrote:
It's still a niche form of writing. One that will not be wildly popular or successful. I don't see it happening.

Orks are perhaps the most popular xenos race in 40k by a wide margin. If anything, they are pretty much everything people like about 40k condensed into one faction. Wild, violent, over the top, and the right mix of absurd and plausible.

I'm sure plenty of people would buy it if people ate up Ciaphas Cain (also a black comedy) in droves.

Fans generally like works in a setting they enjoy that poke some good natured fun at said setting.

TheSGC wrote:
What?

Sorry misworded that what I mean is:Why would stories about civilians be more interesting then books about orks?By baneblade I'm talking about the novel by guy haley.We can loot books you know.

The Chira Calpurnia novels were great. So were Relentless and the two(?) Gothic War novels. More of that and less Fall of Damnos (which somehow managed to incorporate all i dislike about badly written 40k novels) please.

Psienesis wrote:Want girl-Orks? Boob-squigs. Done.

Oh gods, images in my head ...

Someone get Deffdread to draw this.