Where Are The Gods of Order?

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**Dark Apostle 666**

Also, stuff like Lust, Anger, are usually stronger emotions - I mean, how often do you get an overwhelming desire for order?
I'm not saying no one ever wants a bit of stability in their life, but it's a weaker emotion than Despair, Hope, and so on.
Primal emotions, see?

**Admiral Valerian**

Animus wrote:
Psienesis wrote:
It works just as well as I posted it. In Warhammer Fantasy, the races simply haven't yet developed the technology.

It doesn't really work as 40k is supposed to be set in our future, while Fantasy is a whole different world.

I thought the two realms were parallel to each other?

**Super Ready**

Let's not forget that the Eldar have God's, too. From Slaanesh being able to fight them - and Slaanesh him/herself being Warpborne, we have to assume the others existed in the Warp too.

Amongst their number are not necessarily God's of Order, but certainly much nicer than the Chaos gods. Isha, Asuryan, Vaul...even Khaine, while violent, is lucid and calculating compared to Khorne. Then there's the Laughing God who's pretty much the DnD definition of neutral.

It says much about how much more vivid the Eldar psyche is that mankind doesn't have equivalents.

**Pilau Rice**

Old Fluff but interesting none the less

When Kaela Mensha Khaine, the Bloody Handed God of the Eldar, fought with Slaanesh the Lord of Pleasure, he was quickly overwhelmed and his energy captured by the newborn God. For the Bloody Handed God was as much a part of Slaanesh as of Khorne - being a product of that part of the Eldar nature which finds gratification in murder and pleasure in bloody violence. Khorne the Blood God, the Patron of War, Murder and Battle, roared with rage to discover one of his own taken from him in this way. Then Khorne and Slaanesh clashed headlong, the Blood God fighting to recover the portion of his power that had been robbed from him, Slaanesh driven by his uncontrollable hunger to consume everything in his path. The Bloody Handed God of the Eldar was tossed this way and that, at first grasped by Slaanesh, then tugged back into the compass of Khorne.

Eventually the rage of the Blood God and the passion of the Lord of Pleasure were exhausted, and the boundaries between them were established. Like a leaf in the eye of a hurricane, Kaela Mensha Khaine fell among the calm, down through the Realm of Chaos and into the material universe. As he entered the material universe he divided into many shards of energy, scattering his power so that neither Khorne or Slaanesh could ever find him again. Each shard entered the body of an Eldar, filling the body with his own mind, possessing it, so that it became a virtually indestructible blood-lusting murderer - the material manifestation of the Bloody Handed God. These are the Avatars of the Bloody Handed God.

And on the WFB and W40k

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?45416-Warhammer-Cross-Over-Fluff&p=871142#post871142

**PrinceRaven**

Psienesis wrote:
Not sure how you'd reach that conclusion but... ok.

1. Slaanesh exists in Warhammer Fantasy
2. Slaanesh is born in the 30th Millennium
C. Warhammer Fantasy exists in a time after the 30th Millennium.

**Saldiven**

Well, if you go back far enough, there is mention of Gods of Order. I still have the original Warhammer Fantasy Role Play that came out in the late 1980's. In that book, there is a listing of Gods of Order.

Keep in mind, the entire concept of Law vs Chaos in the GW universe originates from when GW had distribution rights to a range of miniatures and a game related to the Michael Moorcock novels. Those novels had gods for both Law and Chaos, and that carried over into early GW fluff. Not sure what led to GW deciding to abandon the idea of Gods of Law, though, since I can't think of any mention of them since that WHFRP book.

**gwarsh41**

Doesn't Tzeentch draw power from hope? Nurgle draws from despair, which is why the two of them hate each other so much?

**Sparks_Havelock**

Kain wrote:
Slaanesh: Lust, Desire, Excess, Art

There is also Perfection. Whilst all of the Chaos Gods touch on perfection in some way it is the devotee of Slaanesh who forever seeks perfection in all things - they want to hear the most perfect sound, see something that is utterly perfect visually, feel the perfect sensation, have a perfect body, to consume the perfect meal and/or drink, and so on. The irony is that the devotee's view of perfection is skewered so that their view of perfection jars greatly with the 'common' human idea of perfection - in the eyes of a devotee they've transcended beyond the normal mortal boundaries in their search for perfection. To the average human the Slaaneshi devotee's are a bunch of bizarre weirdo's but, like the majority of 40k, it's about perception.

**Psienesis**

PrinceRaven wrote:
Psienesis wrote:
Not sure how you'd reach that conclusion but... ok.

1. Slaanesh exists in Warhammer Fantasy
2. Slaanesh is born in the 30th Millennium
C. Warhammer Fantasy exists in a time after the 30th Millennium.

Time as a linear flow is a concept peculiar to mortal races. The Gods of Chaos do not care about your "time". Chaos Gods exist simultaneously in all times. Slaanesh gained sentience in M30, by mortal reckoning. The very moment it was "born", Slaanesh then began to exist in M30, M2, M-1000, M500.... all times in all places, simultaneously. For the Gods of Chaos, the past is the future and the future the present, the present the past.

**Wilytank**

The "good gods" are either dead and gone or weakened to a point that they can no longer help their people. The Daemon codex even mentions an Eldar goddess named Isha who represents fertility and healing being held captive by Nurgle.

Something worthy of thought is that the Tau, the "good" race in this universe, have no gods to begin with.

**Admiral Valerian**

Wilytank wrote:

Something worthy of thought is that the Tau, the "good" race in this universe, have no gods to begin with.

They're a race of 'blunts' so that's not all that surprising.

**Daba**

Wilytank wrote:
The "good gods" are either dead and gone or weakened to a point that they can no longer help their people. The Daemon codex even mentions an Eldar goddess named Isha who represents fertility and healing being held captive by Nurgle.

Something worthy of thought is that the Tau, the "good" race in this universe, have no gods to begin with.

What are Ethereals?

Their worship is in their action, not words.