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Who needs melta when you can have gauss?

 sing your life wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
My Grey Knights use Psycannons, no melta.

SJ

GK [mainly] don't get melta.

Land Raiders, Stormravens, Henchmen, etc.

SJ

 shamikebab wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Who'd ever not bring a meltagun in their army?

Armies that don't need meltaguns...

As Eldar I don't take any, Fire Dragons aren't really needed and I rarely take an Avatar.

Like I said, 0-1, depending on if I take the Avatar. Even at 2000 pts if I'm adding in more HQs it's most likely going to be Farseers. I love my Ulthwe army.

Oh and as a Tyranid player, I don't get Melta weapons. Don't need them I just rip open the tanks with my bare claws and eat the meaty innards.

snaggled wrote:
I recently played a triple landraider DA list against an Ultramarine player and he podded down no less than 20 combi/meltas in my face on the first turn. We were playing Big Guns and needless to say I lost the game

20 Combi-meltas in the first turn? That must be a serious point draw, Im not a DA player, but what was the total point cost for the Armies you ran here?

Zero point zip.

Orks don't get melta options, and i dont often use wierdboyz.

Nurgle daemons dont get melta.

DE get Heat Lances, which are a bit meh. I generally run blasters or haywire instead.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Timmy149 wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
A MM/M tac squad is a staple in any 1,250+ point list

I run one c-melta with my sternguard.

I will frequently include a MM speeder.

One or two meltabombs are included in most lists.

So in an average 1,500 list, I'll have around 4-6.

I assume that you mean MM or M, not both. My local store has nobody who runs MM's on Tacs

Nope, I mean what I said. Multi-melta and a meltagun, sarge with a BP/chainsword, mostly in a rhino, although last game they rode down in a drop pod.

5th squad, 3rd company, Ultramarines. These guys:

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Along with a ML/F tac squad they have been the backbone of my army for a long time now. With the new codex I might be re-evaluateing them, but they have served me well. Sometimes you need forward deployed melta, and the tacs are heading there anyway. Sure, you are snap firing the turn you pile out of the rhino, but the new chapter tactics help mitigate that. And the turn after that, you fire at full. Or if you go second, and someone drop pods next to you, you can lean out the top hatch and vaporize someone.

I see. In that case, the phrasing should probably been "A MM/M tac squad is a staple in any of my 1,250+ point lists" to avoid confusion. Although I see your point, I dislike the multi-melta in a tac squad with a meltagun, unless the squad is Combat Squadded. Reason being that in order to get one into optimal firing range, the other must sacrifice it's potential. For instance, in order to get in melta range with the meltagun, you forfeit the maximum damage output of the multimelta. On the flipside, if you want to use the multimelta as a stand-and-shoot weapon, you generally sacrifice the meltagun. It's only a personal preference, not saying that it is a bad loadout.

I have two lists for my Sisters, a flammer heavy one and a melta heavy one.

 Timmy149 wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

Along with a ML/F tac squad they have been the backbone of my army for a long time now. With the new codex I might be re-evaluateing them, but they have served me well. Sometimes you need forward deployed melta, and the tacs are heading there anyway. Sure, you are snap firing the turn you pile out of the rhino, but the new chapter tactics help mitigate that. And the turn after that, you fire at full. Or if you go second, and someone drop pods next to you, you can lean out the top hatch and vaporize someone.

I see. In that case, the phrasing should probably been "A MM/M tac squad is a staple in any of my 1,250+ point lists" to avoid confusion. Although I see your point, I dislike the multi-melta in a tac squad with a meltagun, unless the squad is Combat Squadded. Reason being that in order to get one into optimal firing range, the other must sacrifice it's potential. For instance, in order to get in melta range with the meltagun, you forfeit the maximum damage output of the multimelta. On the flipside, if you want to use the multimelta as a stand-and-shoot weapon, you generally sacrifice the meltagun. It's only a personal preference, not saying that it is a bad loadout.

There was no point value in the OP, so I made some assumptions on points.

I like to keep my tac squads together to maximize bolter fire and durability. The (multi)melta is there for targets of opportunity. A forward deployed multimelta is more of a terrain feature. "Any tank that moves within 12" of this point dies" Embedding it in a full 10 man squad makes it more difficult to remove from the board. These days, movement is done on a per-model basis, so you can have the meltagunner move 6" + 6" of melta range, while the MM stands still and gets the 12" his gun gives him. Having two melta shots in the same unit mitigates the fact that you miss a third of the time.

Back when it was a free upgrade, I took it without thinking. It let the squad threaten both infantry with the bolters, and pop any tank that got close with the meltas. For a squad that was heading into the thick of it anyway, the range was not an issue. And as the squad tasked with seizing objectives, I wanted all the warm bodies I could get to try to last till the end, so combat squadding was not an option.

YMMV, of course. But it works for me, and my style of play.

Since SoB AS is one of my main armies, I pack 10+ Melta weapons in a list usually, points dependent of course.

I only tend to bring about 2-4. Usually on Ravenwing bikes. I simply don't need that many because I have lots of power fist / chainfist / thunder hammer terminators + assault cannons and CMLs. Usually the meltas are on MM attack bikes or a melta or two in a bike squad. This number is probably going to increase soon as a lot more armor has been popping up recently.

Now if we are talking plasma then it's the total opposite. I usually have around 8-10. I love me some divination plasma spam

- VardenV2