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They're not when given battle focus

I'm not sure you need fire dragons as wraithguard can do av14 quite easily

Sorry for the long delay in responding guys. Busy day yesterday (building a set of stairs).

@Rabid Ferrit: Hey, thanks for chiming in.

I'm fine using allies... this is just all about what models to keep out of my current collection and defining a specific army to build, rather than blundering on aimlessly... adding endless unit after unit. I like the Inyaden idea, so I thought a wraith army would be fun to build and paint, be visually interesting & fun to play. Just trying to make the most out of that particular build with help from my dakka friends. So I'm less concerned with having the best eldar army I could make, than I am with having a cool wraith army. However... given that it's a wraith army, I want to maximize it's potential.

It's hard to put your finger on the meta around here, though SM are pretty rare. Not a ton of AV 14. Land Raider once in a while, that's about it. I do see a fair amount of mechanized armies though... marines, tau, guard & necrons always seem to provide plenty vehicles to shoot at. You're right though, large model count armies will probably have their way with me.

Problem with allies is that I have neither of the two naturally allied races (DE & Tau), nor am I remotely interested in starting them. Though I suppose a small kroot force to get some bodies on the table would be fun to do. Kind of defeats the purpose of getting rid of the rest of my eldar if I just add models of a different race to replace them.


@Khaine's Wrath: I like the list, I'm just wondering if having only one serpent makes it too obvious of a target... or is everyone too worried about the Wraithknight & Wraithlords to bother with it? Are those foot squads moving across the field and normal speed or is there some trick in the list that gets them moving along a bit faster than normal? Which units are the Spiritseers attached to?

Thanks for the ongoing help guys, this is VERY illuminating.

Hey dude, Hope the stairs went well!

In my experience, the three big guys (knight & Lords) draw most of the firepower. People tend to be more worried about them for some reason. I'm not sure if they just see them as a bigger threat than a single serpent. But then it is those models that all hold AP2 weaponry, and the serpent doesn't, so maybe that's why? I certainly had the same concern. So far, people that know about the serpent shield decide that their firepower is better spent elsewhere, and people that don't know about serpents just go for the MC's. It is a different story though once the Scythes get out and flame, suddenly everyone is worried about them!

As for the speed, its another thing the Iyanden book gives you. A spiritseer in the iyanden book has a different primarus power than the normal eldar dex. they get something called voice of twilight. Its 2 warp charge points, but i think its essential in an iyanden list. basically, the power is manifested each turn, and then all wraith guard, blades, lords and knights within 12" gain the battle focus special rule from the eldar dex, as do they gain furious charge! not too shabby. means wraithguard can move 6", run D6" and then still shoot. Suddenly a serpent doesn't make them all that much faster, unless you intend to do a lot of turbo boosting!

I can drop a unit of guard for another serpent.....but I had to decide what was more important to me, a guaranteed 12" move, or a 6+D6" move and 5 S10 shots. I went for the latter, and if you keep all your wraiths close in with spiritseers and a farseer it becomes very difficult to kill.

I try and run one spiritseer with the scythes, and one with a unit of guard. it allows the scythes to disembark, and then run, and then flame, plus allows the spiritseer to push forward to spirit mark certain units. The other one sits in the middle of the 3 units of guard, and the lords. The knight doesn't need the speed as he is jump infantry!

Very sound strategy. I like how the various elements of your army compliment one another when they work together. (looking back to your earlier post about the wraithblades and your farseer)

Thanks for explaining everything Khaine, makes what we've all been discussing come into focus nicely. Sounds like the Inyaden dex is definitely the way to go.

The only down-side to your list is that I have to buy 3 units of wraithguard rather than just one!

Haha! I've only just started building that list myself. Been play testing and proxying! I need 4 boxes! and 3 wraithlords! As I play 2000, and add some extra in to the list I wrote for you!

*chuckle* O.K., looks like you're in worse pain than I am!

Nearly finished my Scythes, I've already learnt loads! Following the GW paint guide doesn't always work! Haha

Very true my friend, very true!

Git


Just for comparison I'll post the Wraith/Iyanden list I'm working towards. I was playing around with Foot Wraith and found it lacking with even Iyanden. It's a work in progress as I need to pick up a couple more Serpents and its been on the backburner as I get my Farsight Enclave ready for the Renegade Open GT in November.

85 Spiritseer with Spear of Tethuas(Iyanden) or Spirit Stone of Anath'Lan(Codex)

295 Wraithguard in TLSC Holofield Serpent
295 Wraithguard in TLSC Holofield Serpent
345 WraithScythes in TLSC Holofield Serpent
345 WraithScythes in TLSC Holofield Serpent

240 Wraithknight
240 Wraithknight

1845

 wuestenfux wrote:
Wraithguard on foot is too slow and their weapons are too short ranged. How many weapons can you bring to bear in round one?

Yes, I agree wraithguard on foot are slow but the primary for spiritseers gives wraith units battle focus which is a beautiful thing.


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 Zagman wrote:
Git


Just for comparison I'll post the Wraith/Iyanden list I'm working towards. I was playing around with Foot Wraith and found it lacking with even Iyanden. It's a work in progress as I need to pick up a couple more Serpents and its been on the backburner as I get my Farsight Enclave ready for the Renegade Open GT in November.

85 Spiritseer with Spear of Tethuas(Iyanden) or Spirit Stone of Anath'Lan(Codex)

295 Wraithguard in TLSC Holofield Serpent
295 Wraithguard in TLSC Holofield Serpent
345 WraithScythes in TLSC Holofield Serpent
345 WraithScythes in TLSC Holofield Serpent

240 Wraithknight
240 Wraithknight

1845

The list is solid as I always enjoy seeing multiple WK but you can't pick special equipment from both dexs.

K2thearma wrote:

The list is solid as I always enjoy seeing multiple WK but you can't pick special equipment from both dexs.

Note, I wasn't choosing special equipment from both. They are equal point upgrades so the list can be run from either codex with an upgrade suited to taste.

Also, each IC can only have from one or the other, due to the working multiple ICs could choose from both so long as each individual only chooses from one.


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 wuestenfux wrote:
Wraithguard on foot is too slow and their weapons are too short ranged. How many weapons can you bring to bear in round one?

QFT.

Even with Battle Focus granted by Twilight, they are still slow. Without a Serpent it is very difficult to get them where they need to be. And any mobile army will make a mockery of them. 19-25/15-21" just isn't very intimidating and not in the current Meta. I don't see Foot Wraith being viable outside of a casual play setting.

 Zagman wrote:

K2thearma wrote:

The list is solid as I always enjoy seeing multiple WK but you can't pick special equipment from both dexs.

Note, I wasn't choosing special equipment from both. They are equal point upgrades so the list can be run from either codex with an upgrade suited to taste.

Also, each IC can only have from one or the other, due to the working multiple ICs could choose from both so long as each individual only chooses from one.

My bad I didn't see the "or" in your list. My mistake!

I'm going to threadcromance my own thread... I can do that right?

I really appreciated everyone's help earlier, made a lot of my decisions much easier. Decided to sell a lot of my old eldar and re-build an Inyaden list without worrying too much about what figures I had painted (though I do have some of this in my collection already). Here's what I'm thinking currently.

HQ: Spiritseer (stock)
HQ: Spiritseer (stock)
TP: 5 wraithguard in WS (TL scat, sh cannon, holofields)
TP: 5 wraithguard in WS (TL scat, sh cannon, holofields)
TP: 5 D-scythe wraithguard in WS (TL scat, sh cannon, holofields)
FA: 5 warp spyders
HV: Wraithlord - flamers, 2x bright lances, ghost glaive
HV: Wraithknight (stock)
HV: Wraithknight (stock)
1845 pts (with nowhere to spend the last 5)

Three questions:
1. Does this look O.K.?

2. How do I run the Spiritseers given the army configuration?

3. Would there be any advantage to running something other than one of the Spiritseers as the warlord?




I know the Wraithlord isn't the most competitive... but it's just so fluffy and I love the "modern" wraithlord figure.

Thx,
Gits

A good army that i'm useing currently is at 1850.

Hq-farseer
Hq-spiritseer

Troops-(2) WG with cannons
Troops-(1) Wg with d scythes
Troops-(1) guardians (10)

Transport-(4) wave serpents with SL/HF

Heavy-WK with cannons
Heavy-(2) WL with duel SL and glaives

This is exactly 1850 and so far I have won 3/3 games.

Spiritseer goes with d scythe guard to voice of twilight, farseer goes with guardians and can make them murder machines if need be
otherwise its rather simple, another tactic is keep guardians and farseer in cover on an objective, and then guide/prescience WLs for 8 S6 shots at TL for some Ok AA in addition to the WS.

Thanks for the thoughts Arbiter. I should have mentioned that parts of the list are negotiable (especially the warp spyders). This just seemed to fit my interests & was reasonably fluffy.