Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread

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**Slinky**

Would be good to have the OP updated with the KS link, stretch goals etc

**lord_blackfang**

Well, this all sure looks amazing. But I don't think I can justify another terrain system after having spent $500+ on Deadzone and Maki plastic terrain.

**Kroothawk**

Great for Infinity and AvP. I am in!

**Pacific**

Absolutely, thinking this would be perfect for a Nomad ship in Infinity, and who knows might well suit the new AvP game also.

**DaveC**

Update #5 - something a bit different stuff planned for the future not necessarily as part of this KS but this is an example of what else they can do.

Project Update #5: Small update - All good things...
Posted by Battle Systems Ltd ♥ Like

... come to those that wait... I was always told, I guess that's what KS is all about.

We've been talking on the KS about potential future products. Now I don't want to shift the focus, but simply show what is possible with this kind of terrain system.

Here is a pic of the standard wall done as a Dungeon wall set. You can see that it completely changes the look of the set. However it is actually the same tool that will cut the door from the current set.

Standard door wall (un finished) there are torches that fit in the slots )

A variation on the Battle table, would require a new tool.

These are sitting on a Mantic DKH tile, but you get the idea.

Just thought we should share the fact that we have a plan and are in this for the long run. We want to bring lots of ready to play terrain to the market. We spend ages painting minis and so the terrain should be ready to play. This KS is about getting it all started and there is no other ready to play sci-fi card terrain (that we know about) out there.

Well there is now, cos we are funded and theres more sets planned.

**Yonan**

Pretty awesome, I like how they just reuse the tool for the basic wall section. Stands to reason, and is nice and efficient! ; ) I'd probably pick up some fantasy terrain too tbh, despite not playing it. If I *had* awesome terrain for fantasy... That said, I'm still much mroe keen on sci-fi since I do play and collect that actively.

**Kroothawk**

Here a self-updating chart that should be added to the first post:

Also:

Unlocked at 67,000 $

Unlocked at 72,000 $

Unlocked at 80,000 $:

**RiTides**

Kroothawk wrote:
Great for Infinity and AvP. I am in!

We have an Infinity player who is going all in on this, I think buying a 4'x4' table's worth.

But to do that, you need a 4xStronghold pledge, right? That's $425, so too much for me right now... but I am very excited to see (and use

) the terrain he is getting!

**DaveC**

Yep 4x4 would be Stronghold x4 although you can buy floor packs for £10 for 3 tiles or £26 for 9 so if you spread the rest of the stuff thinner you might get away with less Stronghold packs.

The Window Wall, Elevator and Console Wall are a £4 add on for a set of all 3 once unlocked at £72,000 (Kroothawk has totals in dollars instead of GBP - I've made that mistake a few times on UK KS projects)

**plastictrees**

RiTides wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Great for Infinity and AvP. I am in!

We have an Infinity player who is going all in on this, I think buying a 4'x4' table's worth.

But to do that, you need a 4xStronghold pledge, right? That's $425, so too much for me right now... but I am very excited to see (and use ) the terrain he is getting!

That will be a _packed_ 4x4 though. A lot of fun, but you certainly wouldn't literally need 4xstronghold to cover a 4x4.
I have some ideas for a docked freighter next to a shipyard that I think this would be perfect for.

**lord_blackfang**

You know what would be good? Stronghold without the floors. I can't be the only one who already has a surface to play on and would rather save money for more walls.

**DaveC**

I put it in the comments lord_blackfang - doesn't hurt to ask worst case they say no can do

**lord_blackfang**

Thanks, man!

**Cryptek of Awesome**

Can someone in "the know" outline just roughly what you'd need for a simple 4x4 setup? Pretty much the mnimum for any kind of wargaming I'd want to do on it.

Could possibly do a 4x2 setup with the other 2 feet of the board being "outside".

I like stuff like this but I'm always confused by the layouts and plans.

Thanks

**DaveC**

lord_blackfang here's the response - not yes or no but depends on if it's economically feasible I guess the floor tile tools are pretty integral to the whole set up and they need to print and sell a lot of them if they remove them from a pack it may not make economic sense.

Creator Battle Systems Ltd

I guess it's possible, but would need some serious number crunching. Basically how it works is...

Every time we add something we increase the cost (of course) and some items cost more to make than others. Basically I could add a Wall only pledge and end up selling loads. Then find we have run out costs for the Goals... so its a balance. (boy I use the word Balance too much)

@DaveC - I will look at it for sure. One thing I also want to do is keep the KS simple, as our first one, we do not want to make mistakes. lol

**Bulldogging**

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:
Can someone in "the know" outline just roughly what you'd need for a simple 4x4 setup? Pretty much the mnimum for any kind of wargaming I'd want to do on it.

Could possibly do a 4x2 setup with the other 2 feet of the board being "outside".

I like stuff like this but I'm always confused by the layouts and plans.

Thanks

Looks like a little over $420 for us in the USA to do a 4X4. StrongholdX4 is the level.

2X4 is approx $220.

**Yonan**

It depends how dense you want the terrain I guess, but yeah I'd definitely like at least a 4x4. I'm currently in for 2xstrongholds, but might go up to 4x by the end. Really impressed by the layouts they showed, can see it being a lot of fun to play with ; )

**davethepak**

Very cool stuff...

Might not use it for 40k, but for all my other sci-fi gaming.

It could use some exterior walls however - as not all gaming is done deep within the insides of startships.

That way you could make exterior locations - cantina's, junk shops, refineries, casinos, etc.

very cool indeed.

**Bolognesus**

DaveC wrote:
lord_blackfang here's the response - not yes or no but depends on if it's economically feasible I guess the floor tile tools are pretty integral to the whole set up and they need to print and sell a lot of them if they remove them from a pack it may not make economic sense.

Creator Battle Systems Ltd

I guess it's possible, but would need some serious number crunching. Basically how it works is...

Every time we add something we increase the cost (of course) and some items cost more to make than others. Basically I could add a Wall only pledge and end up selling loads. Then find we have run out costs for the Goals... so its a balance. (boy I use the word Balance too much)

@DaveC - I will look at it for sure. One thing I also want to do is keep the KS simple, as our first one, we do not want to make mistakes. lol

Well, just let him figure out what add-on exchange value he could give for the nine floor tiles in stronghold and we can choose from there. If it's not worth it, well okay, I'm sure most of us will be quite understanding if it's just not feasible. Having the choice would be very, very nice though.

**biggusdoggus**

Stretchgoal #8 is unlocked so we now have access to windows, wall consoles and elevators.

The Med bay is definitely in the pipeline - confirmed by BattleSystems. They seem to be very very good at listening to what the backers are requesting and then reacting to that (along with the gazillion ideas they had anyways). All in all this is turning into a more awesome product by the day.

**Aeneades**

From the list of items in development I am pretty tempted to pick up a set to use to create a gaming layout of a firefly class ship.

**Gerinako**

Any other games apart from Deadzone folks would suggest I look at to go with this?

**Aeneades**

Gerinako wrote:
Any other games apart from Deadzone folks would suggest I look at to go with this?

Might work very well with Aliens v Predators (should be coming to kickstarter tomorrow). Also might work well for Infinity.

**MasterSlowPoke**

Zone Mortalis is the obvious.

**biggusdoggus**

Gerinako wrote:
Any other games apart from Deadzone folks would suggest I look at to go with this?

kickstarter backers have been busy compiling such a list - this is where we're at (I'll have Zone Mortalis added to it)

5150
2000AD
7ombieTV
7TV
Achtung! Cthulhu
Alien Vs Predator
Alien Wars
Battlefield
Blasters and Bulkheads
CombatZone
Cyberpunk
Dark Age
Deadzone
Deathsquads
Doctor Who
Doom
Dust Tactics/Warfare
Dystopian Legions
Eden
Gates of Antares
Gears of War
Gruntz @ 28mm
Heroclix
Incursion
Infinity
Inq28
Iron-Core
Judge Dredd
Kill Team
Legions of
Steel
Level 7 Omega Protocol
Mars Attacks
Mercs
Necromunda
Project Pandora
Pulp city
Relic
Knights
Robotech RPG
Tactics
Sci Fi Clix Games- Horror clix, Star trek etc...
Secrets of the Third Reich
Sedition wars
Shadowrun
Space Crusade
Space Hulk
Star Grunt II
Star Wars
Star wars RPG
Stargate SG1 minis?
Starship troopers
Supersystem 3
Tomorrows war
Void
Warpath
Warzone Resurrection
WH40k

**Gerinako**

Brilliant!

Lot of research for me to do tonight!

Thanks!

**chris_valera**

biggusdoggus wrote:
Gerinako wrote:
Any other games apart from Deadzone folks would suggest I look at to go with this?

kickstarter backers have been busy compiling such a list - this is where we're at (I'll have Zone Mortalis added to it)

Heroclix
Sci Fi Clix Games- Horror clix, Star trek etc...
Warzone Resurrection

Heroclix and Horrorclix won't really work, the squares are too small, Warzone if you fudge it.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

**DaveC**

Update #9

Nov 7, 2013
Stretch Goal time...
Comment

Hi all,

We are well and truly into the swing of the KS now. Backers coming in each day at a steady pace and we are rising close to our £80K freebie. Just over £1K to go. So we are going to reveal the next three stretch goals.

More height please...

We are working on the basis of height for the first two goals. To gain height you need a few basic components, converters, second level clips, gantries and railing. these will compliment the two floor tiles we gave in Stretch goal 6.

First up Stretch goal TEN & ELEVEN - 3 pairs of Converters and Clips, 2 Standard Gantries, 5 Spot Lights. The converters enable you to build sheer wall faces and consist of 12 pieces including all the clips. The standard Gantries are the staple of your walkways and are also the most flexible for creating shapes, (you can never have enough of these), finally are the lights, they add the details and the 3D element that really create the look of the set and bring it all to life, just like the Struts and Buttresses do for the walls.

(£86,000)

More height more height.

(£92,000)

Ok we have height, can I have something to stand on please. ;o)

Stretch goal TWELVE

Finally it's the Medi-Bay - Add On. Yes that's right it's new tool time. We will be explaining more about the tools in the video we mentioned in the last update.

We have been dying to get this one up. It's that classic scene from all sci-fi movies and books. You already have the clone chambers, but not the equipment to do the experiments. This add on will cost £4 and contain 3 Medi-Bed Scanners, 2 Wall Mounted Medi Display and 1 Medi Doc Unit. Add a few of these and you can have some real fun. I bet this is where the infestation started )

(£100,000)

Damn it, I'm a doctor, Cap, not a bug herder!

Before we launched this KS we had put in place a few things to promote it for when we hit the slow, but steady part in the middle. One of these kicks off next week so we are hoping to push through these goals quite quickly. Damn, just jinxed it. lol

Lastly we want your opinion again. We are constantly toying with ideas. As a future mini stretch we are looking at some options.

User guide. When you receive your boxes of terrain, it will come with instructions so that you can get started and this will include the do's and don'ts of how to care for your lovely new things. However we can produce a users guide (PDF) that will give you great ideas. Scenarios set ups, how to build towers, how to use the ramps to make dead ends, mazes, sets up that are mostly corridors with a few rooms for those claustrophobic skirmishes, or huge great open buildings for open war fare. Basically a guide that... well... guide you for the best use.

Another Goal Idea is to add battle damage to some more of the items you have. We have done this already with the Clone Chamber and Wall Screen, but we could do this on the reverse side of the ramps. How about we texture in holes that have been torn into the ramps where things have crawled through, or claw marks, scorched areas and bullet holes on the turbines. These will be reversible so that you can choose the state of you equipment or where you want the access hatch in a ramp before you play.

Example of Clone Chambers with and without Battle damage.

That's it for now, keep posting on the blogs and shouting, I can't stress enough how much this is increasing the funding, then we can start giving you more core kit and new content.

Over and out... for now. )

**Yonan**

A good "balance" between stronghold additions and paid addons by the looks.

**plastictrees**

Yup, Stronghold is going to be very tasty.