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What happened to Sonnia Criid's face? She looks so sad :-(

Why is Injun Joss no longer an Indian?

Why is the Brass Arachnid a monstrous combatant now?

Why is Miranda no longer a fashion model? Actually, this makes sense.

I actually really like the new stuff.
   
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Sonnia's got a mask on now (explained in M2E core book)

They've avoided the Injun part for a while now

Agreed, i was surprised how much the Brass Arachnid grew

Yeah, new Myranda makes more sense but does take some getting used to.


Pleased to finally see Pandora/Candy/Kade that I actually like (didn't like any previous incarnation except the pre-Malifaux Pandora).

Nephilim look nice but I've never been a big fan.

Surprised about M&SU including so many models. Since I like new Joss, I'm thinking I'll get the set, then use my 2 double sets of arachnids for two sets of individuals and swarms. Ramos is the only disappointment (always liked the original the best).

Sammael looks way better than the deck image, but not worth getting a whole crew just for him. Also, I miss his hat.

All the Marcus minis look better, still not a huge fan of his rules though, so that one's up in the air...

McMourning's crew makes me soo happyyyy. While I liked old Sebastian more, everyone else looks better and I won't say no to another Canine Remains. I'm hoping McM comes with a different option for his tray, but would be fine either way.


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I'm loving both the Sonnia and McMourning crews. Will definitely be picking both of those up!

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Absolutionis wrote:What happened to Sonnia Criid's face? She looks so sad :-(


There's fluff about that in the new Malifaux rulebook. It ties up some of the unfinished storylines from Book 3.

Absolutionis wrote:Why is Injun Joss no longer an Indian?


Nothing about that new model, or the colouring they have there prevents him from being an Indian. Modelwise, he doesn't appear to have the few feathers his old model had, but it's not a huge sideshift. The rulebook doesn't call him an indian, but it does refer to his tribal history.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And their approach to the beta test was... less than optimal?

Just seems strange. It's Mack Martin running this (or part of this game) right? He's a good guy, and he's one of the reasons I write for FFG these days, so it seems odd that he'd disregard feedback.


I think he's just over the RPG.

2nd edition certainly plays a lot smoother, quicker and cleaner than 1st, but it is simpler and somewhat more homogenized. 1st edition cards were overflowing with options for even rank and file dudes, plus other stuff off the card you'd frequently forget you could do (like bash as a melee attack). It was an intimidating game to learn.



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 Absolutionis wrote:
What happened to Sonnia Criid's face? She looks so sad :-(


She's said because she only went half-Destro. You always go full Destro.


Why is Injun Joss no longer an Indian?


He could be, depending on the paint job. He's more Questionable Ethnicity Joss now. Either way, he looks 10 zillion times better than the wasp waisted spandex clad weirdo we had before.

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Bossk_Hogg wrote:
1st edition cards were overflowing with options for even rank and file dudes, plus other stuff off the card you'd frequently forget you could do (like bash as a melee attack). It was an intimidating game to learn.


Comparing cards, the difference is actually more than you'd think, since all abilities are explained on the cards (in 1st edition, many standard abilities were only listed by name). That, along with removing the sometimes convoluted rules situations are HUGE improvements in the game.

It definitely lost some flavour on the cards, but I think the biggest loss is that there isn't master specific schemes. With the new scheme system (huge improvement btw), master and faction specific schemes would have been great (and differences in difficulty would matter less). Faction specific schemes would also have added an extra level of variety in how some of the cross-faction masters play - not an essential thing, but fun nonetheless.

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The new plastics are really nice. On the whole I like the sculpts and the detail is good. However, the prices are high. By and large they cost as much or more than the metals. For this reason I do not plan on buying the new stuff. Miniature companies need feedback about their prices.
   
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 spaceelf wrote:
The new plastics are really nice. On the whole I like the sculpts and the detail is good. However, the prices are high. By and large they cost as much or more than the metals. For this reason I do not plan on buying the new stuff. Miniature companies need feedback about their prices.
The boxed sets all have more pieces in them, they're more detailed, and the larger models are much larger. My only complaint is the occasional obnoxious join placement.


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Both the Poltergeist and the Brass Arachnid are over-sized for their roles (totems) and the Poltergeist is a crappy Totem anyway, Pandora should always take the Primordial Magic totem. The Sorrows and Candy are much improved, but I wouldn't buy the box set for those (especially when the bulk of the set is an Oversized totem)

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Oh, wow, some of those look great! My wallet's gonna be hurting ...

 
   
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 spiralingcadaver wrote:
 spaceelf wrote:
The new plastics are really nice. On the whole I like the sculpts and the detail is good. However, the prices are high. By and large they cost as much or more than the metals. For this reason I do not plan on buying the new stuff. Miniature companies need feedback about their prices.
The boxed sets all have more pieces in them, they're more detailed, and the larger models are much larger. My only complaint is the occasional obnoxious join placement.


Many of the new boxes are more expensive even when you take the additional models into account. For example, the old Pandora boxed set was $33 and included Pan, Candy, Baby, and 3 sorrows. The new set is $45 and now includes a poltergeist. The metal geist was $9.5. So the new box is more expensive than the old one, even with the additional models and the change to plastic.

I love the new models. The prices are just ridiculous. The new Pandora box is 7 plastic figs for 45. That is GW level crazy.

Making a big plastic model is not that much more than making a small one. We are not working with an expensive medium like metal. Plastic is cheap.


   
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Tooling however, does incur costs relating largely to size, complexity and parts count. And if you're expecting to sell limited numbers, that is a large cost to be amortized over relatively few sales.
   
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You can't just compare the old Pandora set to the new one though. Even ignoring the poltergeist, there's a lot more to the sorrows in the set.

Also, old malifaux sets never increased price for the cost of metal increasing. If the same old Pandora set were released tomorrow, it would probably cost the same as the metal set.

In the end though, it comes down to what you like - I don't really like the new Pandora set compared to the old one (much prefer the old Candy and Kade, consider the rest about equal). But other sets (McMourning, Marcus, Rasputina) clearly have much better looking miniatures in my opinion.

BTW, one thing I'm not sure has been mentioned is that the plastic used in the Wyrd kits is harder than GW plastic.

I'm curious - what skirmish game (10 figs per side or so) with nice looking miniatures has miniatures for sale for less than $7 each on average?

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decker_cky wrote:
You can't just compare the old Pandora set to the new one though. Even ignoring the poltergeist, there's a lot more to the sorrows in the set.

Also, old malifaux sets never increased price for the cost of metal increasing. If the same old Pandora set were released tomorrow, it would probably cost the same as the metal set.

In the end though, it comes down to what you like - I don't really like the new Pandora set compared to the old one (much prefer the old Candy and Kade, consider the rest about equal). But other sets (McMourning, Marcus, Rasputina) clearly have much better looking miniatures in my opinion.

BTW, one thing I'm not sure has been mentioned is that the plastic used in the Wyrd kits is harder than GW plastic.

I'm curious - what skirmish game (10 figs per side or so) with nice looking miniatures has miniatures for sale for less than $7 each on average?


From what I have seen the plastic in the Wyrd kits is hard. GW is also hard, but maybe slightly less so. The Wyrd kits have thin staves and such that are prone to snapping.

Sadly, few skirmish games meet your requirement. Also, the condition for nice looking minis is subjective. I am a fan of Atomic Cafe 1957, which has metals for approximately 3 bucks each. The new Mantic Deadzone stuff looks good.

There are lots of inexpensive minis that you could use in skirmish games.

In any case, I wish Wyrd the best with it. I like the game, both 1.5 and 2.0. Their minis are nice. I just do not like the prices, and thus will use my old minis, or alternative ones.




   
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 Kroothawk wrote:
Is Wyrd plastic compatible with plastic cement?
Yes it is. It works just like GW plastics.
   
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I'd say that Wyrd's plastic is close to model airplane plastic- harder, more fine detail, a little brittle. Maybe half-way between GW's and the airplane stuff.

Spacelf, I assume large plastics being cheaper is why large plastics exist, not saying that it costs more for them to manufacture, but as consumers we get more for it. Re: the rest, I'd like the prices to be a touch lower, but definitely haven't found them ridiculous. I think they're worth it, but I also spend more time on the hobby than on games, so I feel I get a very good return on quality sculpts over quantity.


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Coming from GW. I love the Malifaux models and prices. I don't mind paying extra to get unique looking models.
   
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Can't post the original copy as Wyrds blogs are down, but here's a repost of Eric Johns (one of the owners of Wyrd) talking about the decision to go to plastic:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10150963002526439&id=77192606438

Going Plastic

So, if you ever are in a place where you are making metal miniatures as a business, and you have the say those words "we should switch over to plastics" know that you have made a life changing decision. No, not like getting married or having children or even getting accepted to college or that dream job, but it will change things.

So lets go back about a month before those famous words. Here at wyrd central we were sitting and looking at the costs of our minis, the costs of metal, and getting more than a little upset about how the future looked. Straight to the point, the cost of metal has gone up nearly 80% in just the last 2 years, while the cost of our minis had gone up more like 20%, and with metal not slowing down any time soon, we were going to have to push through a rather significant price increase if we were to continue on like we were. Added to that was the fact that we just started producing Avatars which were bigger, heavier, and in all ways more metal than our standard minis. Something had to change!

So we start researching our options. Plastics, Resin, other metals, etc... Luckily we were in a position where we could see what a couple other larger companies had done before us, and largely we wanted to build and improve on the decisions we had seen them make. We knew why they made them, but we hoped we could do better.

So lets look at the options:

Alternate Metals - While we could maintain all our same processes (sculpting, molding, etc...), the price of alternates were going up just as fast, and in general, cheaper metal meant cheaper looking minis...VETO

Resin - Again, resin can be use with all our same processes. We have of course toyed around with Resin in some of our Avatars to keep their costs down, and with fairly satisfactory results, however we avoided any small pieces or complex molds, because of a number of issues that we found cropped up. Many of these issues have been widely publicized in the troubles certain other companies have had with resin minis. Combined with how toxic resin is, how easily it breaks, the fact that the price difference was strangely not that much different from metal... so veto.

PVC based plastic - VERY alluring because in a lot of ways we could still keep a lot of our same process, and while the up front costs are higher than metal we DO get out from under the weight (literally) of metal and those costs... The sticking point is quality here...sadly. Bendy, squishy, doesn't hold the detail well enough. Sadly - Veto

Polystyrene - We have now switched over to all new processes, digital sculpting, plastic injection moulding, etc... SCAREY! It's a big leap of faith to go ALL new when you actually have the old processes figured out. Unfortunately with the previous 3 options veto'd we knew this was our future. On the bright side, we get away from metal! So now comes the challenges:
How do we get these things digitally sculpted when all we've dealt with in the past are physical sculptors... Long story short - we do everything we can to find the best talent (notice I'm not giving away all the details here )

Next: WHAT TYPE of plastic, because it turns out there are a lot of options.

1) A basic standard level poly. This does the trick, holds detail rather well, is cheap. The downside is that it can melt in really hot cars, can bend and break rather easily

2) High Impact Poly. This is a step up from the basic. The plastic is denser, the molecules somewhat woven together to resist breaking, slightly higher melting point. All good things, but slightly more expensive

3) ABS. Now this stuff is even denser, with tightly woven molecules, extra sharp detail, significantly higher melting point, will be VERY hard to break and even when bent, remembers it's original shape. In a lot of ways it has a lot of the strengths of metal, combined with a lot of the advantages of plastic. Drawback - about twice the cost of standard poly

SO? What did we do? We picked ABS, and figured out a way to do it so that we wouldn't have to increase the price to you at all. In fact, not only do we not have to increase the prices now or in the near future, we can now create bigger, more intricate, more impressive pieces without the exponentially increases in cost due to the bulk of metal involved. Additionally it lets us give you a ton of options, alternate heads/arms/weapons without any increase in cost. Win!

If you are thinking (as I did), isn't ABS that stuff my drain pipe is made out of? The answer is yes. It's also the stuff Lego's are made out of, and if you've ever gotten the corner of a lego block in your heal, you KNOW if can hold sharp detail. And just look at that lego logo on the top of each little peg...detail! Of course with a slightly etched surface it's not the perfect reflective feel of lego, so it will hold paint just fine, don't you worry

Anyways, that's a bit about the process of the switch to plastics, and how we ended up at this place and the decisions involved. We knew when we switched, we had to give you all the best we could, in terms of sculpting and materials, as well as price. We're pretty proud of what we've accomplished, and I really hope you all really enjoy the results of our work. I have a desk full of these new models and I seriously can not wait to share them with you all!!

Enjoy! And I look forward to hearing more from all of you what you think.

Eric


I think the old softer plastic GW kits are standard poly, and their current kits are high impact poly (they certainly have gotten harder plastic over the past decade).

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first post updated with new release previews and Thanksgiving sale.

Some discussion already in the Wyrd sub-forum:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/565303.page
   
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Wyrd posted pics of some more of the assembled translucent/dayglow plastic crews available during the sale.





It would be nice if they could at least take pictures of their other new plastic crews too, instead of just giving us the renders
   
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Is mcmourning a dual faction now??

 
   
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Yes, with Guild.

I think he has an upgrade when hired as a Guild master that allows him to take some Resurrectionist models. I think it's called, "Those Aren't Mine." When hired as a Resurrectionist master I think he has an upgrade called "Moonlighting" that allows him to do the same with some guild assets.


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Beyond Ten Thunders, here are the wave 1 dual faction masters

McMourning - Ressurectionist/Guild
Zoraida - Neverborn/Gremlin
Tara - Outcast/Ressurectionist

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 cincydooley wrote:
Is mcmourning a dual faction now??


Yes, dual faction Guild / Resurrectionist.

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McM's guild upgrade is On the Clock, allows him to take zombie chihuahua, sebastian, nurses. Moonlighting gives him guards (just the pistol guys, not the category) and lawyers.


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 spiralingcadaver wrote:
McM's guild upgrade is On the Clock, allows him to take zombie chihuahua, sebastian, nurses. Moonlighting gives him guards (just the pistol guys, not the category) and lawyers.


Yeah, I knew it was something like that. I've been spending most of my time with the Arcanists, so I've only vaguely heard about the McM stuff... which should be obvious now
   
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I've never played but now that they are making better models I might want to try...

so how do i get some demo rules or something to see before I commit to this line?
   
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The beta rules are 80mb or I'd email them to you... dunno if anyone has a good way of getting them to you.

If it's like 1st edition, they'll have a demo set of rules online in the nearish future, but they don't yet.

Unfortunately, I feel like the game is very difficult to explain outside of sitting down and playing, because a lot of stuff doesn't play like it looks on paper- if you have a local store/club, that's the best option.


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Hmmm... well maybe the web has some demo games...
I play at home with my friends and family but one place is know for having a large Malifaux group. The overall product looks really good and that new Latigo group looks pretty cool. the Ten Thunders looks nice too.

what size board does this play on 4X4 or smaller?
   
 
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