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Just putting this out there, the murder sword says as long as the bearer of the sword is b2b with the intended victim all his attacks are instant death. But if hes not in a challenge its up to the defending player(i.e. your opponent) to allocate wounds.


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GoliothOnline wrote:

 Roboute wrote:

Renegade_commander wrote:
Heres a REAL question for you vets. I have a sarg who eats challenges so my murder sword weilding lord can go to town on a unit. My lord is in base contact with the swords intended target therefor causes instant death, does wounds to the target and his unit. Do those hits still cause instant death? For the purposes of ignoring fnp or wounding multiple wound models in the unit for example

As per the challenge rules, models participating in a challenge count as being in base contact only with each other. So if your sergeant is taking a challenge against the sword's target, your Lord does not count as being in base contact, even if he is, and thus does not gain the benefits of the Murder Sword.

Now what happens when you BOTH have sergeants eating challeneges, and the Lord and enemy HQ are in Base Contact? Do all of your Lords attacks become ID? Even once your first wound kills the enemy HQ / character ? Do the remaining wounds go onto his squad?

one challenge per combat. And no, wounds from challenges dont spill over into combat. If you kill the enemy character and hav attacks to spare they go away.


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 Roboute wrote:

Renegade_commander wrote:
Heres a REAL question for you vets. I have a sarg who eats challenges so my murder sword weilding lord can go to town on a unit. My lord is in base contact with the swords intended target therefor causes instant death, does wounds to the target and his unit. Do those hits still cause instant death? For the purposes of ignoring fnp or wounding multiple wound models in the unit for example

As per the challenge rules, models participating in a challenge count as being in base contact only with each other. So if your sergeant is taking a challenge against the sword's target, your Lord does not count as being in base contact, even if he is, and thus does not gain the benefits of the Murder Sword.

no. The lord with the sword isnt in the challenge. My sarge is. The lord is b2b with the enemy target and a unit while the sarges fight.

Renegade, I am asking what happens when the Sergeants are eating the challenges and the Lord + HQ/Character designated as the target of the murder sword, are both in combat, OUTSIDE of a challenge yet still in B2B


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IE, does your 5 attacks from your HQ Lord with the murder sword, who is in B2B with the designated Character, also inflict instant death on his squad mates once all wounds are rolled for?

lets say the enemy Character DOESNT have EW, he dies to the first wound. Are the rest tossed away? Do they still inflict instant death on his squad mates? Technically they were already rolled as wounds caused against the squad right?

What is this spine shaver blade?

GoliothOnline wrote:
Renegade, I am asking what happens when the Sergeants are eating the challenges and the Lord + HQ/Character designated as the target of the murder sword, are both in combat, OUTSIDE of a challenge yet still in B2B


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IE, does your 5 attacks from your HQ Lord with the murder sword, who is in B2B with the designated Character, also inflict instant death on his squad mates once all wounds are rolled for?

lets say the enemy Character DOESNT have EW, he dies to the first wound. Are the rest tossed away? Do they still inflict instant death on his squad mates? Technically they were already rolled as wounds caused against the squad right?

were asking the same question then...

Renegade_commander wrote:

GoliothOnline wrote:
Renegade, I am asking what happens when the Sergeants are eating the challenges and the Lord + HQ/Character designated as the target of the murder sword, are both in combat, OUTSIDE of a challenge yet still in B2B


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IE, does your 5 attacks from your HQ Lord with the murder sword, who is in B2B with the designated Character, also inflict instant death on his squad mates once all wounds are rolled for?

lets say the enemy Character DOESNT have EW, he dies to the first wound. Are the rest tossed away? Do they still inflict instant death on his squad mates? Technically they were already rolled as wounds caused against the squad right?

were asking the same question then...

KK

Reading the codex, it says nothing about having to be in a challenge. Just in base contact... So, if he is not in a challenge and is striking the squad normally AND is in base contact with the swords target, I would assume wounds would be allocated as normal and all have x2 strength, AP1 and instant death......may make an opponent think twice before refusing a challenge!

Spineshiver Blade is a BL Artefact. It's a non-dedicated daemon weapon. It's user Str and +1 Int. So through allies you can have CSM Primary for Axe of Blind Fury and Black Mace, then BL for Spineshiver Blade. That's 3 FMC with Daemon Weapons.

Well, I think I'm going to give daemon allies a go. I didn't really want to, but there's a lot of love for going that way, and it receives a lot of support. I've managed to do some reading, and with greater reward buffs I've found a soft spor for the BT! It also means I can ditch my cultists for bloodletters.

It means I'll have a CSM DP with black mace,
Kharn
A CD Bloodthirster with 2 greater rewards
A CD DP with a lesser reward.

Sound better?