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 Hulksmash wrote:


The landraider will run 270. That's with a Dozerblade, MM, and Psybolt.

How do you get a dozerblade ?

Fragile wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:


The landraider will run 270. That's with a Dozerblade, MM, and Psybolt.

How do you get a dozerblade ?

Inq Vehicle Equipment
Searchlight, Dozer Blade, Psybolt, Hunter Killer, Storm Bolter, Truesilver Armor, Extra Armor.

 pretre wrote:

Fragile wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:


The landraider will run 270. That's with a Dozerblade, MM, and Psybolt.

How do you get a dozerblade ?

Inq Vehicle Equipment
Searchlight, Dozer Blade, Psybolt, Hunter Killer, Storm Bolter, Truesilver Armor, Extra Armor.

So they can take Dozer Blades and Space Marines cant? That is wierd.

Yeah, it's probably just an oversight, but either way its still pretty cool.

Fragile wrote:


So they can take Dozer Blades and Space Marines cant? That is wierd.

Dark Angels already had Dozer Blades, too.

It's spelt out really clearly that you use the priests leadership for hymn checks, otherwise it'd be the best 25 points in the game.

This unit is so fragile, t3 and 4+ armor saves really hurt it.

If you can get them into combat they'd be pretty scary vs MEQ but this isn't on the same scope as a seer council or star.

Another issue is that DCA in Inquisition codex have 2 power sword, not power weapons unfortunately (unlike the GK DCA)...

sleekid wrote:
Another issue is that DCA in Inquisition codex have 2 power sword, not power weapons unfortunately (unlike the GK DCA)...

What version are you looking at? My copy just says power weapons.

It's the sororitas codex that says power sword.


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 Aijec wrote:
It's spelt out really clearly that you use the priests leadership for hymn checks, otherwise it'd be the best 25 points in the game.

This unit is so fragile, t3 and 4+ armor saves really hurt it.

If you can get them into combat they'd be pretty scary vs MEQ but this isn't on the same scope as a seer council or star.

Not if you know how leadership tests work.

The crusaders only have the durability of battle sisters when shot with small arms.

The unit costs about the same as it's land raider and the raider is still useful after dumping them off.

Overall it's a good unit but not overpowered.

 Aijec wrote:
It's spelt out really clearly that you use the priests leadership for hymn checks, otherwise it'd be the best 25 points in the game.

This unit is so fragile, t3 and 4+ armor saves really hurt it.

If you can get them into combat they'd be pretty scary vs MEQ but this isn't on the same scope as a seer council or star.

Its not that bad. If you really want to make the deathstar work, just run a little armée de trois.
Throw in Celestine from SoB and make her your warlord. Taa-Daa! Suddenly all your priests within 12" of her are using her LD 10 check for Hymns. Suddenly they are extremely reliable.

They already do with an Inquisitor. Why would you take SoB?

Because that point is under debate and some people take the less advantageous approach when something is under debate.

I don't understand why there is a debate. RAW are pretty clear

 tybg wrote:
I don't understand why there is a debate. RAW are pretty clear

No one ever understands why there is a debate because it is always clear to them. Either way, acknowledge that there is a debate, leave the question alone in the tactics thread and discuss it in YMDC if you want to debate it.

 McNinja wrote:
It's the sororitas codex that says power sword.

The ebook Inquisition codex says Power Swords for both Crusaders and Death Cult.

Loopstah wrote:

 McNinja wrote:
It's the sororitas codex that says power sword.

The ebook Inquisition codex says Power Swords for both Crusaders and Death Cult.

Not mine:

Crusader: Flak armour, power weapon, storm shield.
Death Cult Assassin: Flak armour, two power weapons.

It's slow, not really that survivable and has next to no shooting capability. Hardly an efficient Dstar

 pretre wrote:

Loopstah wrote:

 McNinja wrote:
It's the sororitas codex that says power sword.

The ebook Inquisition codex says Power Swords for both Crusaders and Death Cult.

Not mine:

Crusader: Flak armour, power weapon, storm shield.
Death Cult Assassin: Flak armour, two power weapons.

There is a newer version uploaded yesterday that changed them both to Power Swords. Just re-download it (if you have the ebook version).

Hmm. I wish we got a notification. Downloading now.

Anomandaris wrote:

There is a newer version uploaded yesterday that changed them both to Power Swords. Just re-download it (if you have the ebook version).

Wow, you're right. That's so stupid. Ok, well, forget the DCAs then, they don't work with just power swords. Let's try this for size:

Psyker inquisitor (build to your preference)
Crusader x 5
Priest x2
Priest with power maul x 5

Land Raider Crusader with MM and psybolt ammo.

Total cost: 645 + inquisitor upgrades.

Assuming you allow the priests to make their war hymns check on the Inquisitor's leadership, you'll get 4 or 5 priests smashing each round. They get as many attacks as DCAs. They're AP2, they strike at initiative 3 (hey, beats necrons), and they can be either Str 5 or Str 8. They're only WS 3, so prescience is probably better than hammerhand.

With Hammerhand they are strength 10(!!!!) with power mauls due to hammerhand happening before other modifiers, meaning its 3+1x2+2, eat that power klaws! I'd call this a mini-star at best, but its quite a good one. Say if I was playing Space Wolves and doing LR Spam, then this adds another land raider and a very capable assault unit as well, but in a normal list I wouldn't go for it. Too many armies would simply shoot it out of the water, or even beat it in assault before it can strike (The likes of a Beastpack). Fun idea though, just not kick ass broken.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
With Hammerhand they are strength 10(!!!!) with power mauls due to hammerhand happening before other modifiers.

Only GK hammerhand happens before other modifiers. C:Inq doesn't.

 Quo wrote:

Anomandaris wrote:

There is a newer version uploaded yesterday that changed them both to Power Swords. Just re-download it (if you have the ebook version).

Wow, you're right. That's so stupid. Ok, well, forget the DCAs then, they don't work with just power swords. Let's try this for size:

Psyker inquisitor (build to your preference)
Crusader x 5
Priest x2
Priest with power maul x 5

Land Raider Crusader with MM and psybolt ammo.

Total cost: 645 + inquisitor upgrades.

Assuming you allow the priests to make their war hymns check on the Inquisitor's leadership, you'll get 4 or 5 priests smashing each round. They get as many attacks as DCAs. They're AP2, they strike at initiative 3 (hey, beats necrons), and they can be either Str 5 or Str 8. They're only WS 3, so prescience is probably better than hammerhand.

Slap a SOB priest with Litanies of Faith in a scouting dominion unit and have him unit jump into the LR's unit when they disembark - make the LD check argument moot as they auto-pass all hymns. Why not add one more moving part? Hell, I may actually try that for gaks and giggles...

Move over leathery half naked assassins, I have crazy old men killing things now!

 McNinja wrote:
Except you also reroll failed saves and wounds. If that didn't happen, it wouldn't be a deathstar, but a 3++ rerollable save is pretty great.


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In a scouting land raider crusader.

thats only in HTH....


once DCA's are in HTH you win...

rerolling saves is just icing on the cake,

but this wont help them against shooting at all... anything that can crack open a landraider and force saves will ROFLSTOMP this "death star"

that being said, its not the least effective thing to use, though you really dont need the 2 preist, one would be good,

I find the larnraider crusader + psybolt, with 5 DCA + 5 crusaders, is enough to roll over anything in CC already, addint more buff on top is just over kill, and I WANT to not kill them in one go of cc, so they dont get a chance to shoot me.


sucks sooo hard that they changed it AGAIN, and now it really is 2 swords... wtf f you GW i had so many converted... same with crusaders, now they have swords... bull gak... thanks GW,... at least GK still says power weapons... but i expect that to change before long

Even with power swords, a full unit of crusaders and assassins will wreck everything short of 2+ armor or 2++. To make sure combat doesn't last one turn you could just take less models instead of relying on maces and such.

Just take more priests.

3 DCA, 4 Crusaders, 4 Priests, Inquisitor.

What are the extra priests really needed for though? They're practically a guardsmen in melee. I wouldn't take more than 2 for the hymns, certainly not 4.

 tybg wrote:
What are the extra priests really needed for though? They're practically a guardsmen in melee. I wouldn't take more than 2 for the hymns, certainly not 4.

Smash for AP2 to take care of 2+ saves.

Smash makes all their attacks AP2. They are 2 base +1 Extra weapon. So 3 S3 WS3 AP2 attacks with rerolls or 2 S6 WS3 AP2 attacks each with rerolls.

 tybg wrote:
What are the extra priests really needed for though? They're practically a guardsmen in melee. I wouldn't take more than 2 for the hymns, certainly not 4.

They are very comparable to DCA, arguably better if the DCA can only have swords. Priests have 3 attacks and a 4++, with the smash hymn they are 2 S6 AP2 attacks, with a power maul they are 3 S5 or 2 S8 AP2 attacks. They are I3, but with crusaders to soak the wounds they will mulch things all things as easily as DCA, and some things much better. Rad grenades and hammerhand only make them sillier. Watching my opponent pick up his Wraithknight after smashing priests chewed its ankles off in one turn was quite amusing.


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^What pretre said