So, escalation is now out, how do you plan to use super heavies?

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**wuestenfux**

TBone wrote:
herpguy wrote:
As I said in general discussion, the most disappointing thing is how this makes 40k even more of a rich/ fiscally irresponsible man's game.
It's already really hard to keep up, and there's no way I'm going to start buying $200 models.

Totally agree here that most models that are produced are expensive, I managed to get a Stompa on the low end of $100. Now right now I have no idea how I am going to set it up, I havent played Apocalypse very much. I have enough Orks for the heavier lists but to be honest I dont get the chance to. I think though, in the grand scheme of things, these will be less expensive, than a normal Apoc game. You have to purchase less models. The super heavy/Gargant will be the main initial investment. GW has a habit for sure of making this a "one hobby" game. All the models I have to purchase has to be done online because there isnt a shop in my current area.

I would like for this to be a good expansion for WH40K. But, alas, I see it kinda being only a selection based thing instead of a normal based thing. Hence, allowing players to continue to keep the games on the low end of an already expensive hobby.

TBH, I would rather see an updated Ork Codex than this, but, I will try it out none the less....

The Stompa is very expensive, more than one half of 1500 pts. So you wouldn't see it in games under 3k pts.

**Mythantor**

Remember superheavies will be very expensive pointswise, Can you really do more with 1 superheave than you could with 800 points worth of normal units?

I see them being a great counter to deathstars but not much else.

**wuestenfux**

Some Baneblade pattern tanks are more or less underwhelming when it comes to shooting. For them, you could also use some LRBTs.

**Farseer Faenyin**

Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote:
I think the Shadowsword is probably the best overall baneblade-chassis tank. It's not as good as the scorpion, but quite a bit cheaper and it has a little more to do besides the main gun. The Scorpion also loses some of its luster against ordinary units because one strength D shot is usually enough, unless they scatter apart or something. It's real advantage lies in hunting enemy super-heavies. The Warhound is better still since it has void shields for some strength D resilience and can field twice the firepower of the Scorpion. The Revenant is also pretty good, I suspect it will suffer from the fondness people have for volume of fire right now though, AV12 isn't a lot on an 800 point machine, even with titan holo-fields. I suspect the biggest winners will be super-heavy fliers - people already have issues with these, and they only get tougher with all the super-heavy goodness added in.

But doesn't the Scorpion have AV 11 in the rear? This is a huge bonus to us Eldar for tank resilience. I find the Scorpion to be overkill though, like you said...but still LOVE watching it pull down a Warhound with no issues.

**Matt1785**

My list will be as follows....

HQ: 230 Pts
Chapter Master - Artificer Armour, Thunder Hammer, Shield Eternal

Troops: 218 Pts
6x Tactical Marines - Missile Launcher w/ Flakk
6x Tactical Marines - Missile Launcher w/ Flakk

Lord of War: 1450 Pts
Reaver Titan - Laser Blaster, Volcano Cannon, Apocalypse Missile Launcher

Total: 1848 Pts

Nah, but if they don't have a cap on super heavies.. could be interesting.

**PredaKhaine**

What are the criteria for choosing a super heavy?

Is there a list of allowed choices or is it just based on points?

**Selym**

Imagine what I could do with a Warhound Titan...

*imagining*

Spoiler:

Only considering stuff I actually own (except the Warhound, but some Bionicle bitz, Lego bitz, WH40k bitz and a gak ton of paper mache should sort that out, considering I'm a nurgle player)

**thepowerfulwill**

Personally, I don't think we need to be so worried, everything people are saying, super heavies are expensive, and it would most likely you won't even see them 90% of the time. So I'm that worried. and if you have always wanted to use them, and you have no buddies who play apoc, your golden! Finally, if you don't want to play against super heavys, then you can always just politely refuse.
In short, normal player do this:

Not this:

And if you want to use these massive models, do this:

not this:

**PrehistoricUFO**

I plan to use my Baneblade against my buddy's Chaos, I'm just gonna deploy my troops and slap that bitch on the table last. Don't have a roster built yet, though. Still need my Escalation book for that.