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 Frazzled wrote:
I would consider not playing againsther in the future. If you two are worried about whether playing Cadians for Elysians and plague zombies is bad then you're not understanding what the game is really about-pretending you're eight and making pew pew noises over toy soldiers.

Exalted


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Cmon boys, stop the discussion. You both understood it, go there and have fun...
Chaos Lord, i think you are the wrong bit here, not a big mistake at all, just a little lack of good sense. Let the guys proxy their cadians/elysians, and do your proxy too.
And guys, really, dont be so bothered about "official models", use the "rule of cool": if the model/unit looks cool, and not out of place, go for it. Good old camaraderie, that is what the hobby is about.

Chaos Rule wrote:
Firstly what you may need to know is that lordra has not yet played a game against me where he has not proxied. He gives me no warning that he is planning to proxy and i have decided to not alloq him to proxy anything. He once played an game with grey knights where he did not even use a single grey knight model and only about a quarter of the models actually were marines.
Secondly this forum topic was to decide whether or not using plague marines is technically proxying seeing as they have no official model. In my opinion I think that proxying only applies when there is an official model for the unit, so that when there is not an official model any model is technically the correct model to use

Thirdly you sound like **an assortment of words that violate tenet #1.**

Let it go, man.

Chaos Rule wrote:
I have been having a debate with a fellow wargamer as to whether or not using plague zombies is proxying. I think that as there is no model for plague zombies then any model can be used, obviously it shoudl be accurately represented, be when this is done it should not be counted as proxying. We decided to ask the people of dakka dakka to see what they think.

If there is no GW plague zombie model, and you aren't allowed any proxies, then how do you ever play plague zombies?

He is basically saying he can proxy because there is no 40k "zombie" model and so its not a proxy in his opinion, but his friend can't use cadians for elysians because they both have official models so its a proxy.

Complete hypocrisy.

 The Dwarf Wolf wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I would consider not playing againsther in the future. If you two are worried about whether playing Cadians for Elysians and plague zombies is bad then you're not understanding what the game is really about-pretending you're eight and making pew pew noises over toy soldiers.

Exalted


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Cmon boys, stop the discussion. You both understood it, go there and have fun...
Chaos Lord, i think you are the wrong bit here, not a big mistake at all, just a little lack of good sense. Let the guys proxy their cadians/elysians, and do your proxy too.
And guys, really, dont be so bothered about "official models", use the "rule of cool": if the model/unit looks cool, and not out of place, go for it. Good old camaraderie, that is what the hobby is about.

For the record, I have used 40K figures as titans for epic games, and we have regularly played with paper chits for different things. DUDE ITS A GAME. As long as you understand what the minis are, its all good.


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 kronk wrote:

Chaos Rule wrote:
I have been having a debate with a fellow wargamer as to whether or not using plague zombies is proxying. I think that as there is no model for plague zombies then any model can be used, obviously it shoudl be accurately represented, be when this is done it should not be counted as proxying. We decided to ask the people of dakka dakka to see what they think.

If there is no GW plague zombie model, and you aren't allowed any proxies, then how do you ever play plague zombies?

Turn GW redshirts into zombies. Would you like to know more?...

EDIT: for the record:
*unless GW has released Elysians (not via FW but directly) then Cadians can be used. If the Cadians are using Elysian rules from FW then he should use Elysians, but you'll be hard pressed to say thats proxying. Generic IG rules can be used by any IG model.

*Plague zombies has been noted as technically being cultists, so it would be proxying. But arguing against it is violating The Rule of Cool so its still a loser argument.

Both of you stop acting like 5 year olds and learn how to interact with people as adults.

If you can't do that, go find a damn book about conflict management, it's not that hard. My God.

 troa wrote:
Both of you stop acting like 5 year olds and learn how to interact with people as adults.

If you can't do that, go find a damn book about conflict management, it's not that hard. My God.

+1 QFT

Amen brother!

lordra001 wrote:


just goes to show how bad I am at proxying when I proxied fire warriors as psykers. I understand his annoyance at my proxying.

In a game where you can take 'allies' so those firewarriors 'COULD BE ' firewarriors... you need a little more than '28mm humanoid on a 25mm base' for it to be a valid conversion.

Not saying you couldn't make some psykers out of firewarriors, but when you are done, they should never be able to be fire warriors.

Plauge Zombies should kinda be similar, not just random 28mm humanoids. You could get a box of Zombies/Genestealers/Daemons of Nurgle and a box of iGuard/Cultists/Fantasypeople and mash them up and make a squad of models pretty easily as long as they looked 'nurgly, nothing more than CCW and humanoid-sized'.

There is a Plague Zombie Model, Cultists. Since the upgrade is an option for Chaos Cultists, it doesn't give you permission (Not that it should need to..) to use other models, so Cultist models are what you should use. Anything else is 'Proxying' (But only in the most pedantic of ideas), so yes, you where in the wrong by saying he couldn't use his IG as IG while you can use your IG as Chaos. hypocrisy, pure and simple.

nkelsch wrote:

lordra001 wrote:


just goes to show how bad I am at proxying when I proxied fire warriors as psykers. I understand his annoyance at my proxying.

In a game where you can take 'allies' so those firewarriors 'COULD BE ' firewarriors... you need a little more than '28mm humanoid on a 25mm base' for it to be a valid conversion.

He never claimed they were a conversion?

Plague zombies are just elected cultist units in an army that has typhus. cultists can be anything from the spiffy new cultist minis to necromunda gangers to forgeworld traitor guard to converted guard to damn near any human mini in gws range provided the wargear is a close match.

At the end of the day it really doesn't matter as long as they are a clearly defined human type mini.

Lots of people have been saying that we need to talk and agree it between us and we have, but this thread was simply to find out what other wargamers thought on the subject; Is it proxying to use plague zombies? So I greatly appreciate those who have given opinions upon the subject and it would help if others would do so aswell

I believe the vast majority of players would have zero issues with someone using cadians as elysians. It's a no brainer.

Cadians as zombies are probably less accepted, but with a little conversion work, most would be fine playing against it. IMO.

well... Ive been on the board that "Any Chaos Cultist units in the same army as Typhus can be nominated as Plague Zombies" means take your cultists, and say "These are Zombies! and poof, theyre zombies.

it even goes as far to say "any guns are used strictly for the purposes of clubbing their victims to death!" so they assume we are using the cultist models.

Chaos Rule wrote:
Lots of people have been saying that we need to talk and agree it between us and we have, but this thread was simply to find out what other wargamers thought on the subject; Is it proxying to use plague zombies? So I greatly appreciate those who have given opinions upon the subject and it would help if others would do so aswell

I don't know anyone who wouldn't be okay with your version of Plague Zombies. Against you in particular, though, I would not. If you insist on being an a$$ yourself, expect to be treated as one as well. My point? Don't be TFG, and you'll be fine. Nobody likes TFG....

You guys just sound like a bunch of whiny girls. Its IG as IG, I don't see what the big deal is. And Plague Zombies can be anything human sized.

Sidguard wrote:
You guys just sound like a bunch of whiny girls. Its IG as IG, I don't see what the big deal is. And Plague Zombies can be anything human sized.

A genestealer is human sized....

You guys just sound like a bunch of whiny girls

Just saying that I'm not trying to be a whiny girl. I'm fine with proxying and frankly dont care at all if he uses cadians as plauge zombies, just saying that it is hypoctritical that he can proxy and I can't.

Maybe you should just find someone else to play against? Seems like you have a different views on "the spirit of the game".

Its certainly not as easy to proxy opponents as it is to proxy models.

lordra001 wrote:

You guys just sound like a bunch of whiny girls

Just saying that I'm not trying to be a whiny girl. I'm fine with proxying and frankly dont care at all if he uses cadians as plauge zombies, just saying that it is hypoctritical that he can proxy and I can't.

And you are right, as we had alredy pointed. Now shake the hands, and go throw some dices!!!... No, not at each other!!!!!

Now shake the hands, and go throw some dices!!!

We already have

go throw some dices!!!... No, not at each other!!!!!

Too late......

Proxy or not...Plague Zombies vs Elysian Drop Troops would be a unique fight between 2 armies rarely used.

Shake hands, buy each other a soda, and throw down your "Cadians being used as" armies and game on.
Then present us with a joint battle report with pictures and revel in the cudos received for having such an epic game.

Proxy or not...Plague Zombies vs Elysian Drop Troops would be a unique fight between 2 armies rarely used.

Shake hands, buy each other a soda, and throw down your "Cadians being used as" armies and game on.
Then present us with a joint battle report with pictures and revel in the cudos received for having such an epic game.

Well we just had the battle (we both got to use our models) and it was pretty cool. Because our small club meant that an elder player had to join (otherwise he would be left out) and 1 hour time limit meant it was only 750 points and two turns long.
I thought that instead of having a full 750 points of elysians I would have 500 points of elysians and 250 points of Tau. I was at a disadvantage because of only having 1 turn for my reserves to get in and ended up joint last with the eldar :( . no-one thought to make a battle report of it (mainly because it would be crap) but if you really want to see one then here's a short summary of what happened.

Turn 1: chaos went first and moved up typhus and his plauge zombies towards me, moved his termie lord and his group of zombies towards the middle and moved one group of zombies towards the eldar. He then shot his defiler's battle cannon at my battlesuits and because of ID killed both of them, drawing first blood. The eldar hid behind a boulder and assulted the plauge zombies with banshees, killing most of them. My turn consisted of me shooting my plasmas at typhus but only causing one wound down to the dice and look out sirs. I then shot my fire warriors at the chaos lord and his zombies, killing one zombie and causing one wound to the termie lord due to his termie armour.

Turn 2: chaos move up again and the defiler kills a bunch of fire warriors. I roll for reserves and only my melta vets and one squad come in, the melta vets kill the defiler and the normal squad has a mishap and my opponent places them on the other side of the board, out of range of anything. The eldar didn't have a 2nd turn due to time restrictions and the chaos player wins down to first blood... DAMN SECONDARY OBJECTIVES!!! (actually I think I got linebreaker for my vets but we forgot and can't realy go back)