Manticore or Deathstrike?

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**NuggzTheNinja**

Ailaros wrote:
tybg wrote:And that's the downfall of the Deathstrike. While it's failing to fire, the manticore is consistently getting off an average of two large blasts a turn.

So? Quantity of firepower is not the same as quality of firepower. As already mentioned, a manticore has to apply three times as many hits against a lot of target types (vehicles, Sv3+ or better, anything in cover, etc.) in order to just get up to EQUAL of what the deathstrike does.

It's the same mistake being made over in the other thread. Just because 10 guardsmen with lasguns put out more shots than 3 guardsmen with plasma guns doesn't mean the lasguns are better. Same for the manticore.

And it's still one of those things that's like the helldrake - popular, but doesn't add much to what their codex already does. And as we know, popularity is never the basis of a reasonable argument.

Clearly you know more than all of the competitive tournament players who ally in CSM just to roflstomp their opponents with a Heldrake.

Show me ONE winning tournament list that included a Deathstrike. Not a large sample size...just ONE army.

**undead flesh addict**

The manticore is amazing against vehicle and foot based armies, but is absolutely terrible against monstrous creatures.

While it has almost certainly gotten better, the meta has evolved from the parking lots of 5th, and so it's usefulness has therefore reduced accordingly; Str 10 is good, but it's lacklustre AP doesn't make the cut against tougher units, not to mention it's inability to hit flyers and especially flying monstrous creatures.

Essentially it depends on the meta. In mine, it is sub-par.