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I havent noticed the list get updated but for one your platoon is illegal. If you have a PCS you have to have a minimum of 2 infantry squads, not vet squads, just basic infantry squads.

Storm troopers can only take 2 special weapons and are usually best when they all have the same weapon like 2 meltas or 2 plasmas and the best roll is a 5 man squad with 2 meltas that act as a suicide anti tank unit.

Also on ALL squads have them stick with the same weapons, just like the stormies, all plasma, all melta, or all flamers. Mixing them up will only give you a little of everything and not excel in anything and everything should have a dedicated role.

Voxs are more for a fun casual army but if you want to win then you will want to drop them.

Medics, heavy flamers, and snipers are useless so drop them all.

I would prefer a vendetta over a valkyrie as it is much better.

A single sentinel will get singled out and die easily so unless using more I would drop it.

LRBT's are best used with no upgrades. The have an ordnance main gun so if they fire that then everything else has to snap fire. You have 45pts in upgraded weapons that have to snap fire if the main gun fires, its a huge waste of points. The dozer blade is your call, I dont really see much a use for it but if theres generally a lot of terrain then sure go for it.

The vanquisher is actually good so nothing to say there.

The basilisk with a dozer now is a waste of points. It should be sitting alone behind some terrain firing away and not moving. If you are moving then you either didnt put it in good enough cover or some enemy unit is close to it and if an enemy is close to it then the rest of your army is probably dead and the basilisk will most likely die and it will be game over.

Hope this helps! also update the existing list so we can help you further create a list and see your adjustments to continue to help.

All your examples there with stornies and hellhounds have been "if you sink 360+points into it then it'll work!" Which is a bit moot point. If I put down 8 LR in a 1500 point game it'd be hard to deal with but I wouldn't win any of the time.

Exterminator is trash. 9 heavy bolter shots and twin linked double autocannon will kill on average 6 orks a turn. That's not very impressive for a 150+ point tank.

Paskquisher is similarly terrible. You end up paying in excess of 200 points for it with a lascannon that's about the same as a vendetta with melta vets and guess which one can still do something useful once the tanks are all dead? It's not pask.

And sure you can take another pskyer, although a librarian is in fact more points, is only 1 model so you can't abuse cover with him. but none of them have weaken resolve which is hands down the best psychic power in the game right now for guard especially if you play an artillery heavy list. And yes they do get both of their psychic powers.

And you say they're low LD, but they're leadership 9 which is about as good as you'll need it.

Sajue wrote:
All your examples there with stornies and hellhounds have been "if you sink 360+points into it then it'll work!" Which is a bit moot point. If I put down 8 LR in a 1500 point game it'd be hard to deal with but I wouldn't win any of the time.

Exterminator is trash. 9 heavy bolter shots and twin linked double autocannon will kill on average 6 orks a turn. That's not very impressive for a 150+ point tank.

Paskquisher is similarly terrible. You end up paying in excess of 200 points for it with a lascannon that's about the same as a vendetta with melta vets and guess which one can still do something useful once the tanks are all dead? It's not pask.

And sure you can take another pskyer, although a librarian is in fact more points, is only 1 model so you can't abuse cover with him. but none of them have weaken resolve which is hands down the best psychic power in the game right now for guard especially if you play an artillery heavy list. And yes they do get both of their psychic powers.

And you say they're low LD, but they're leadership 9 which is about as good as you'll need it.

Vanquisher with lascannon 170 or with sponsons is either 200 or 210 points without pask. Is shooting turn 1 and has more durable armor when shot at from a distance. Also is cheaper than a vendetta with a vet squad equipped with 3 meltas. Now assuming that vendetta comes on hopefully it's not shot out of the sky by interceptor. New stronghold book gives every army plenty of sky fire. Both units have strength and weaknesses but there's no solid answer as to which would be better. A vanquisher has a much better chance of penning av13 and 14 but it's lack in being 1 bs3 shot means half the time it's going to miss. If the vendetta grav chutes those troops out there's a chance they scatter away and won't get a melta bonus or most if not all may die to bad deepstrike. Or if the flyer is shot and killed by intercepted then you have 260pts that did nothing turns 1 and 2 and hopefully it wasn't delayed anymore turns.

I should have explained the list a little better. I know the vets aren't legal in a platoon but the friend I play against has a much larger force than I do (points wise) and wants to use all of it so he gets me to pile in as many points as possible by putting 70+ points vets where there would usually be a 50+ points infantry squad, this is also why the stormies have 3 special weapons and all the tanks have sponsons, dozer blades etc. he essentially wants me to use the odd thing here or there that isn't usually allowed so that he can use his entire force. I don't use the same force for every battle we have, this was simply the list I used in the last battle we had, I think it was supposed to be 2000 points but I was nowhere near that so we bundled in a load of extra points to get me closer.

I've found the dozer blades quite useful in the past for chimeras and LRBTs but i can see the impracticality of having one on a Basilisk. The armoured sentinel lasts surprisingly well against Tau I think my friend usually underestimates it a lot because it's by itself then gets a surprise when it shoots at his devilfish's rear armour.

Here's an updated list of what I now plan to use based on some of the suggestions in this thread and some extensive codex studying:

HQ:
-CCS
Regimental Advisors
Medi-Pack
Carapace armour
Master Vox

-Lord Commissar (He did really well against Farsight in the last game we played)
Power Sword
Carapace armour

Troops:
-Infantry Platoon:
-PCS
Lascannon
Vox
Medi-Pack
Commissar
-Vet Squad
Vox
Plasma x3
Lascannon
-Vet Squad
Vox
Melta x3
Autocannon
-Vet Squad

-Blob Squad of some sort with power axes (maybe some meltas thrown in), (once I've bought and completed them)

-Vet Squad
Vox
Shotguns
Heavy flamer
Flamers x2
-Chimera
Hunter Killer Missile
Dozer Blade (will be removed if I struggle with points)
Extra Armour

Elites:
-Storm Trooper Squad (deepstriking from reserves using the abilities of the advisors)
5 additional troopers
Melta x3 OR Plasma x3

Fast Attack:
-Armoured Sentinel (x3 or not at all)
Lacannon (Plasma Cannon and autocannon if i use 3)

-Valkyrie (deepstriking from reserves using the abilities of the advisors)
Lascannon
Two multiple rocket pods

-Vendetta (once I've bought and completed one)

Heavy Support:
-LRBT
Lascannon
Bolter sponsons (will be removed if I struggle with points)
Heavy Stubber
Dozer Blade (will be removed if I struggle with points)

-Vanquisher (possibly add pask)
Lascannon
Mulit-melta sponsons

-Basilisk (x2 once I've bought and completed another one)
Dozer blade (will be removed if I struggle with points)

And some sort of psyker from either IG or SW somewhere in the force, most likely the blob squad. Also how good are the Devil Dog's? I really like the look of them and the idea of the melta cannon.

Devil Dogs are very situational. Just stick a multimelta on a Hellhound, it may only hit half the time but it's a lot better overall than the Devil Dog. Even the Banewolf is pretty nice.

Sajue wrote:
All your examples there with stornies and hellhounds have been "if you sink 360+points into it then it'll work!" Which is a bit moot point. If I put down 8 LR in a 1500 point game it'd be hard to deal with but I wouldn't win any of the time.

Exterminator is trash. 9 heavy bolter shots and twin linked double autocannon will kill on average 6 orks a turn. That's not very impressive for a 150+ point tank.

Paskquisher is similarly terrible. You end up paying in excess of 200 points for it with a lascannon that's about the same as a vendetta with melta vets and guess which one can still do something useful once the tanks are all dead? It's not pask.

And sure you can take another pskyer, although a librarian is in fact more points, is only 1 model so you can't abuse cover with him. but none of them have weaken resolve which is hands down the best psychic power in the game right now for guard especially if you play an artillery heavy list. And yes they do get both of their psychic powers.

And you say they're low LD, but they're leadership 9 which is about as good as you'll need it.

In this case my lists should never work , i usually take pask punisher and an executioner ,

Philhoggart wrote:

Sajue wrote:
All your examples there with stornies and hellhounds have been "if you sink 360+points into it then it'll work!" Which is a bit moot point. If I put down 8 LR in a 1500 point game it'd be hard to deal with but I wouldn't win any of the time.

Exterminator is trash. 9 heavy bolter shots and twin linked double autocannon will kill on average 6 orks a turn. That's not very impressive for a 150+ point tank.

Paskquisher is similarly terrible. You end up paying in excess of 200 points for it with a lascannon that's about the same as a vendetta with melta vets and guess which one can still do something useful once the tanks are all dead? It's not pask.

And sure you can take another pskyer, although a librarian is in fact more points, is only 1 model so you can't abuse cover with him. but none of them have weaken resolve which is hands down the best psychic power in the game right now for guard especially if you play an artillery heavy list. And yes they do get both of their psychic powers.

And you say they're low LD, but they're leadership 9 which is about as good as you'll need it.

In this case my lists should never work , i usually take pask punisher and an executioner ,

Who doesn't like a 72", S9 AP1 shot fired at BS4 from an AV13 chassis?
And, the Exterminator isn't made for killing Orks. That's like comparing how many Orks a Predator with Lascannons can kill a turn. It's intended for killing light transports, walkers, heavy infantry, aircraft and, on occasion, the odd MC. A Librarian in the Dark Angels codex is 90pts, marginally more expensive for a much better unit. And, what do you mean abuse cover? It's easier to cover one model than a squad. Weaken Resolve is not, in fact, the best psychic power in the game right now. I would personally say Iron Arm or Warp Speed on a Hive Tyrant or the Swarmlord is the best psychic power, or Prescience for Eldar.
Also, Paskuisher has 'squisher' in it. If that's not enough motivation to take it I don't know what is.