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No more digital only editions please. They upset me greatly.

 Medium of Death wrote:
No more digital only editions please. They upset me greatly.

Digital Copies are part of GW's current scam strategy. Charge you $70 for a book that produces $0 to produce.

 Breotan wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I could see digital editions of supplements from FW. Krieg supplement, Astral Claws, Elysians, etc.

Why would you want to? The hardbound books they produce are ridiculously high quality, easily surpassing anything you could get on a (comparatively) tiny iPad screen.

While I have no problems buying the IA and HH books, other people do. And the expense and rarity of those books has often been used as an argument by the "anti-FW" crowd. Allowing easier, cheaper, and digital access to FW rules nips that weak argument in the bud.
Also, nowhere did I suggest replacing the IA and HH books with digital versions. I said I could see digital supplements just like the ones GW has already been releasing. Right now you can get the Badab Was army lists for free. Don't you think GW would just love to charge us for them instead?

Also, I would personally like a digital version of the HH books. I already have to carry two of them around with me when I play my Legion army. How many more will there be?

 Harriticus wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
No more digital only editions please. They upset me greatly.

Digital Copies are part of GW's current scam strategy. Charge you $70 for a book that produces $0 to produce.

So games bought via Steam, PSN, XBL, etc are a scam? I mean, they're just a few files. They're not boxing them up and putting them on CD for you. They should be free, right?

GW's digital products are far too expensive, but saying they cost $0 to produce is just stupid, and you know it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If you’ve ever seen a Forge World catalogue you’ll know that FW has regional pricing in place (US prices are a bit higher than UK prices, and Australian prices as worse).

That's not really regional pricing, it's just having fixed exchange rates since the catalog has to be printed in advance and can't update as exchange rates change. Whenever I've looked at catalog prices (such as the recently-released winter update with stuff that isn't up for sale yet) the US prices have been pretty much the same as the UK prices, with the slight differences being within the range of exchange rates seen over the past few months.

 Peregrine wrote:
That's not really regional pricing, it's just having fixed exchange rates since the catalog has to be printed in advance and can't update as exchange rates change. Whenever I've looked at catalog prices (such as the recently-released winter update with stuff that isn't up for sale yet) the US prices have been pretty much the same as the UK prices, with the slight differences being within the range of exchange rates seen over the past few months.

These were not exchange rate differences. This was a catalogue from about a year ago with Australian prices basically double the rest. The exchange rate hasn't been that bad for over a decade.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
That's not really regional pricing, it's just having fixed exchange rates since the catalog has to be printed in advance and can't update as exchange rates change. Whenever I've looked at catalog prices (such as the recently-released winter update with stuff that isn't up for sale yet) the US prices have been pretty much the same as the UK prices, with the slight differences being within the range of exchange rates seen over the past few months.

These were not exchange rate differences. This was a catalogue from about a year ago with Australian prices basically double the rest. The exchange rate hasn't been that bad for over a decade.

Yes but you have to take into account our higher cost of living, a year ago we were using handfuls of caviar as toilet paper. I'm starting to regret sending forge world that video...

Assuming this rumour is true then I'm all for it. I hope that they will release just the updated rules for the IA books that need it as I don't want to buy the full book again. Anything that makes the books cheaper without removing the deluxe version for those that want it has to be a good thing.

Looky Likey wrote:
Assuming this rumour is true then I'm all for it. I hope that they will release just the updated rules for the IA books that need it as I don't want to buy the full book again. Anything that makes the books cheaper without removing the deluxe version for those that want it has to be a good thing.

It is like a codex, so no IA material except unit entries and also experiemental rules will be finishex and put into these books.

Yet a codex, like IA, has fluff pages, unit backgrounds, etc.

Calling bull on this one, makes less than no sense

(oh, and $0 to produce a digital edition? You havent seen either their publishing bill OR their bandwidth bill)

I'll take this thread with a 20 ton load of salt.. I've not seen one rumour posted by the OP that has come to fruition. Just seems to be a lot of- well my mate told me x and said y

 pizzaguardian wrote:
I would like it, wouldn't it be better to carry a light book around for one army instead of a story heavy multiple army book?

It would also make updating easier and might help with stuff like contemptor dreads.

It wouldn't be better if the reason you buy the books is for the story that would be cut out to make them lighter. The entire point of Forgeworld is that they produce something GW proper does not; background-heavy material that appeals to the few actual wargamers who still allow their connection to the 40K and WHFB universes to override their good sense. If Forgeworld switch over to shovelling smaller more "mainstream" rules-focused Codex-clones, then why bother having them as a separate division in the company at all? They'd be as well to absorb the entire team into the main design studio and strip everything out of it until "Forgeworld" is just a brand name they can stick on boxes.

Actually, thinking about it, the depressing thing is that doesn't seem that far fetched anymore; killing off part of the company that helps retain long-term customers in order to make a marginal saving on costs for this financial year sounds like exactly the sort of thing Kirby would think is a great idea.

Also, do we really need to have exactly the same discussion every time someone posts rumours for the first time? How about we just take it as read that the average Dakka user isn't a drooling vegetable, and so is capable of assessing the probability of veracity for themselves. The guy isn't hastings or Harry, we get it, why not just either discuss the rumour as presented, or say to yourself "I don't believe this" and jog on so those of us that enjoy speculating about stuff in lieu of actual rumours can enjoy ourselves?

Let's hope that these codex books will receive better proofreading than their fabulous Imperial Armour books.

 BrookM wrote:
Let's hope that these codex books will receive better proofreading than their fabulous Imperial Armour books.

I doubt it. GW doesn't seem to care too much about proofreading (or playtesting) their existing codices, so why would they start now?

I'm talking about Forge World, not GW. FW is a whole other level of not proof reading and copy-pasting gak without checking.

 Harriticus wrote:


Digital Copies are part of GW's current scam strategy. Charge you $70 for a book that produces $0 to produce.

What? No. That's blatantly false.

While they don't have to go to press, there is still the man hours it takes to compile them into a digital format, and all the hyper linking on the apple versions. Then the licensing with various digital platforms, etc.

So yes, they're less expensive to produce, but saying they're free to produce is crazy talk.

I just want FW for IA books and HH book and bitchin' models.

Change is bad.

 kronk wrote:
Change is bad.

Damn right!

I could realistically see these as kind of a 'cooperative' effort between the main GW and Forge World to do ebook releases that focus on Forge World stuff. Maybe do a specific Space Marine unit that uses a lot of their special tanks, or another variant of the Armored Company to get the IG stuff out there. Do the exisitng FW books reference or copy from existing GW codexes?

(I.E. does a FW list for IG reprint the standard IG statline, or do you need to have Codex: IG to use it?)

Rumor?
To me this is a no-brainer and I would be surprised if this does NOT happen...

I mean really, didn't anyone see this coming?

FW already has "codex"s for many armies - they are the army lists and fluffy stuff in all the IA and HH books.

For a long time players have wanted them to take FW rules (i.e. these army lists) and publish them in PDF (and at times, you could occasionally get some FW rules as pdf here and there....but not like a full "codex").

With FW/GW coming closer as a brand, they will just copy/paste some of the fluffy text from the IA book + army list and now SELL them as a supplement / Digital product.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Yet a codex, like IA, has fluff pages, unit backgrounds, etc.

Calling bull on this one, makes less than no sense

Yeah, at the end of the day, once the results are in, I'm thinking we're going to find that Necrons are made up of 99% salt.

Well, some are...

 Alpharius wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Yet a codex, like IA, has fluff pages, unit backgrounds, etc.

Calling bull on this one, makes less than no sense

Yeah, at the end of the day, once the results are in, I'm thinking we're going to find that Necrons are made up of 99% salt.

Well, some are...

I don't understand what salt has to do with anything. I am confused.

 kronk wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Yet a codex, like IA, has fluff pages, unit backgrounds, etc.

Calling bull on this one, makes less than no sense

Yeah, at the end of the day, once the results are in, I'm thinking we're going to find that Necrons are made up of 99% salt.

Well, some are...

I don't understand what salt has to do with anything. I am confused.

I think he means the OP (whose username involves necrons) will have a lot of incorrect rumours. At least that was my reading...

 necronspurs2012 wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
Is there some sort of proof behind these "rumours"? You've made 4 threads on this forum, none of which appear to have any reputable source rather than "I heard this the other day".

Actually my source has told me these things just because I havent told you there name adress etc.. doesnt mean that you can suddenly dismiss these rumours. Im only sharing what I have been told by my source.

Okay, I'd like to clear something up.

Are you copying from Natfka or is he copying from you? Or are you sending him stuff by e-mail and then posting it here as well?

Because your rumor is word for word identical to his 'anonymous reader' rumor here:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/01/forgeworld-to-write-codex-armies.html

 Peregrine wrote:
I don't really see the point of this. FW already produces much better books. For example, IA12 contains the full DKoK rules and army list (including warlord traits, etc) that would be in a DKoK codex, but also contains a bunch of other stuff. Cutting it down to codex size would just mean a slightly cheaper but less appealing book that would be completely redundant. The only thing I could possibly see as justification is if all the heresy stuff is demanding so much time that they can't make proper IA books anymore, and have to settle for throwing out some quick "codices" to keep the models selling.

They produce 'better' books in the sense of production quality and fluff, but as a rules source they are terrible. IA12 for example, was released (IIRC) shortly before 6th edition was released, meaning that the rules in IA12 aren't fully 6th edition compatible. Further, those rules will be further invalidated by the release of the new Imperial Guard codex sometime in the next few months, and then invalidated again when the Necrons codex is eventually rereleased. In case you're not following, that means that IA12 itself can't truly be redone until both the Necron and the Guard books are redone, by which point there is a good chance of us approaching the release of a 7th edition, thus rendering the revised book itself obsolete within a very short timeframe, and so on. On top of that, there are rules for the same unit apeparing in several different locations, and often with slightly different rules/points values, etc. etc. etc. and eventually what you realize is that the whole thing is an absolute mess.

The best thing that GW could do is release smaller leaner rules supplements/codecies so we don't need to buy overpriced books that aren't up to date with the latest edition of the rules.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
No more digital only editions please. They upset me greatly.

Digital Copies are part of GW's current scam strategy. Charge you $70 for a book that produces $0 to produce.

So games bought via Steam, PSN, XBL, etc are a scam? I mean, they're just a few files. They're not boxing them up and putting them on CD for you. They should be free, right?

GW's digital products are far too expensive, but saying they cost $0 to produce is just stupid, and you know it.

Difference is steam has massive sales and the prices drops on stuff regularly. GWs junk drops $5 after 6 months.


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 angelofvengeance wrote:
I'll take this thread with a 20 ton load of salt.. I've not seen one rumour posted by the OP that has come to fruition. Just seems to be a lot of- well my mate told me x and said y

Regardless though, something is happening with forgeworld in a big way.

 necronspurs2012 573062 wrote:
Quoted from an independant source:
?.. forge world ...will release codexes containing thir products with all rules, stats and fluff for each army for both 40k and fantasy.

They have been doing that for years. 

The Astral Claws, Fire Hawks, Marines Errant, Red Scorpions, Raptors, Novamarines, Fire Angels, Howling Griffons and Lamenters, DKOK, Elysians, and so on..... you did need to have a gw codex to go hand and hand with some of those, but are you saying that FW will now produce all books/codexes? Or they will follow standard codex pub guides by gw for fw units and/or be stand alone (no need for a gw codex to be paired up)? What's the point with digital coming about?

 pretre wrote:

 necronspurs2012 wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
Is there some sort of proof behind these "rumours"? You've made 4 threads on this forum, none of which appear to have any reputable source rather than "I heard this the other day".

Actually my source has told me these things just because I havent told you there name adress etc.. doesnt mean that you can suddenly dismiss these rumours. Im only sharing what I have been told by my source.

Okay, I'd like to clear something up.

Are you copying from Natfka or is he copying from you? Or are you sending him stuff by e-mail and then posting it here as well?

Because your rumor is word for word identical to his 'anonymous reader' rumor here:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/01/forgeworld-to-write-codex-armies.html
I

I sent him this one but he took my warhammer 9th edition starter box thread and posted that and mentioned me but yea I sent him this thread as you can see this was done before natfka posted it. I am not copying anyone this from my source.

 necronspurs2012 wrote:
I sent him this one but he took my warhammer 9th edition starter box thread and posted that and mentioned me but yea I sent him this thread as you can see this was done before natfka posted it. I am not copying anyone this from my source.

Aha. He needs to start attributing you correctly then. Cheers!

Given the material they already have on hand it would be so easy to do that they'd be a bit mad not to. Codex: Sons of Horus, digital only, £30, just the space marine legion army list with the SoH special units, Horus, Abaddon and Loken, few pages of fluff gleaned from HH novels, etc.

I'm not saying I'd buy it, but if I were the GW group bean-counter, I'd be on it like a car bonnet