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50 men - 10for hws, - 5 for plasma, 35 shots. 70 shots at rapid fire range. If your extra hw trooper in the team gets to fire their gun (do they?) This goes up to 80 at rapid fire range. I thought we were not counting buffs, but even with re-rolls to hit, that death co is still making combat with lots of bodies intact. And when they do its game over for guard. I'll run the maths with rerolls to hit...


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Need to know if your hw teams get lascannon AND lasgun. If not its 70shots in rapid fire. Also do your orders allow reroll to hit on everything? I cant remember exactly and need to know for the maths.


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Not that those 10 extra lasgun shots will help kill the extra dc in one round of shooting...

70 lasguns using First Rank Fire, Second Rank Fire get 210 shots. At BS3, that's 105 hits. 35 hit hard enough to wound. 11.67 make it through the armour. 7.78 don't care about FnP.

That's just the lasguns. Add in 20 lascannons, 7 plasma guns, 10 plasma pistols and 9 demo charges (I think I've got that correct) and you kill a bunch more. They don't get a FnP or Armour save versus the lascannons and demo charges.

And are you talking platoon orders? Or command squad orders because command squad dont count, being an hq. Even so ill run the maths if it is command squad.


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Are platoon squads allowed demo charges, lascannons, plasmaguns and plasma pistols? If they can take ALL of these then it does change things drastically. I thought it was just vets with demo?


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First rank fire, second rank fire allows each guardsman to shoot 6 times each? I find that hard to believe!


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Also where did you get 20 lascannons from? Are you talking about the whole platoon? I thought we were talking about a 50man blob?


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You are talking about a whole platoon aren't you. Thats where the demo charges have come from - the spec weapon squads. I see now. I was wondering if you were using a forgeworld dex i didnt know of lol. Yes a whole platoon is an army in its own right and fully kitted would absolutely murder a dc unit! Good call. My maths was concerning a 50man blob so i got majorly confused when you put up all those weapons!!!

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Unfortunately I don't own the ork dex, so don't know how they get those attacks at initiative, or what that banner, cyborg and mad doc with grot orderly does...
If hitting at initiative you are talking 18 hits, 15 wounds (im assuming) if they get the charge. Then the remaining dc get 45 st8 concussive attacks, (are nobs ws5?) If so thats around 23 hits (or 30 if they are ws4), 19 wounds on the nobs. You get fnp right being at t5? So 13 wounds. Pretty close if the nobz get the charge. This is of course assuming the death co and orks all get in range with pile in move.
This may be totally out btw since im not familiar with ork rules.

It's 775 points for the Nob Bikers as stated above. I can't remember if DC automatically get FNP so I'll do the Math without:

10 Bikes shooting will kill 100/27 Marines or 3.7.

10 HoW attacks (assuming all get into B2B contact) will kill 1.66 Marines.

Painboy strikes at Int. 3 with 4 Str 5 reroll to wound attacks killing a whopping 0.79 Marines.

At Int. 1 both the Dual TH DC and PK Nobz strike, Nobz kill 20 Marines regardless if they have FNP or not.

NobBikers are T5 2W with 5++ Inv and 5+ FNP so it takes 10.8 WS5 or less Str 8 TH to kill a Nob Biker. To kill all the Bikerz it would take 108 attacks.

I don't have the info for DC (at work) so I can check that out later.

Lol with you not knowing death co stats and me not knowing nob biker stats we are playing a lil guessing game.
Yeh dc get 5+ fnp on st7 or less.
The bikers look a lot more scary then before when you factor in the shooting and 5++. Plus I only put your nobs as having 3 attacks on the charge. Im guessing by your maths they get 5.
It looks for certain that the nobs will win the day if they get the charge. What ws are they? DC is ws 5.


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On the charge though (assuming you killed 3 with shooting and overwatch due to a fnp save (I am guesstimating there btw)), the death co will get 28 st 4 HoW hits causing 4.1 wounds after fnp (assuming they have a 5+ save). Lets ignore lemartes and the painboy for the sake of clarity (call it a challenge). The remaining 27 death co get 135 st 9 ap2 attacks rerolling to hit and wound. Thats 101.25 hits assuming you are also ws5. 98 wounds. Causing 45.56 wounds unsaved after invuln and fnp. Nobs do get to strike back though.


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Oh no! Bugger! Just remembered - you said the nobs strike at initiative right? Might as well just discount the above! Lol.

They are base 3 attacks and come with CC weapon and pistol standard. Swap out the CC weapons for Power Klaws and they each get 4 Str. 9 (Furious Charge) attacks on the charge at WS 5 (Thanks to the Waghhh Banner).

But based on your response I'm guessing DC is WS 5 so the Bikers would be hitting on 4's, Not 3's as I calculated so in that case at Int. 1, if DC is WS 5 or better, the Orks will kill 15 DC who will not get any FNP. So yeah, I was waaay off But I'm biased so . . .




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No, they strike at Int 1, Unwieldy and so forth. So yeah, it's a blood bath either way.

Okay, last question: how many JP Dual TH DC can you get for 775 points? Fractions are okay.

Ahhh you MASSIVELY win out when it comes to points for 775pts you can have 11.92 single th armed jp dc or 8.16 dual armed jp death co. Yeh - death co are hugely overpriced. 20pt base FIFTEEN point per jp and 30pt per th... redic!