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Never, ever, ever take the Icon of Flame. It's the worst piece of wargear in our codex.

Soul Blaze is probably the single most useless USR in the game. 50% of the time it simply fizzles out! And AT BEST, you're getting 3 boltgun hits that ignore cover. Ooh. Aah. Look at me being unimpressed.

I'd rather bring an extra CSM into any squad not at maxed, or bring a Havoc Launcher onto one of my Rhinos, or bring 4 more cultists.

 SRSFACE wrote:
Soul Blaze is probably the single most useless USR in the game. 50% of the time it simply fizzles out! And AT BEST, you're getting 3 boltgun hits that ignore cover. Ooh. Aah. Look at me being unimpressed.

So true, if only it was 1 counter per wound caused, then it would be something to write home about.

Point taken concerning soul blaze. In reading it I was fairly underwhelmed by it but I'm always willing to try new things. I've never run an Icon of flame before and just threw it in cause in my next match I want to try it out. I don't have high expectations of it but I'm still gunna run it in atleast one match just so I can see firsthand this USR at work.

 Inevitable_Faith wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
I deploy apostle with sorc and possessed to get some rerolls on gifts of mutation at gamestart. Than depending on what's my plan i either run him with possessed or join cultists.

By ahriman's book feindus maximus do you mean the scrolls of magnus? to my knowledge that's the only way to make him a psyker. Though now that you have mentioned it I do like the idea of a psychic DA, since I would take MoT anyways it could be worthwhile, thought the S3 AP1 hit does sacre me and the fact you can't take a primaris power is a little disheartening. It's a risk taking the scrolls for sure but I think it could catch some people off-guard

Great ideas here guys, I definitely need to run A LOT more matches to try out all these ideas cause they sound too fun! Keep em coming.

Yes scroll of magus, 3+ Inv aint bad for str3 ap1 hit. Op need a 5 you need 3 = 1/3 x 1/3 = 1/9 of taking a wound.

 FeindusMaximus wrote:

 Inevitable_Faith wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
I deploy apostle with sorc and possessed to get some rerolls on gifts of mutation at gamestart. Than depending on what's my plan i either run him with possessed or join cultists.

By ahriman's book feindus maximus do you mean the scrolls of magnus? to my knowledge that's the only way to make him a psyker. Though now that you have mentioned it I do like the idea of a psychic DA, since I would take MoT anyways it could be worthwhile, thought the S3 AP1 hit does sacre me and the fact you can't take a primaris power is a little disheartening. It's a risk taking the scrolls for sure but I think it could catch some people off-guard

Great ideas here guys, I definitely need to run A LOT more matches to try out all these ideas cause they sound too fun! Keep em coming.

Yes scroll of magus, 3+ Inv aint bad for str3 ap1 hit. Op need a 5 you need 3 = 1/3 x 1/3 = 1/9 of taking a wound.

So upon re-reading what the scroll does I gotta say I am both excited and scared of this tactic. Firstly to get the scroll is quite expensive. A DA with the scrolls is 165 with no other wargear. Secondly, there is of course the danger of killing yourself with it (coupled with perils of the warp too) and of course the powers it generates are random so you may or may not get something useful. Not being able to pick a primaris power too kinda sucks since some of them are really good.

All that said it has the potential to be a powerful tool and at the end of the day I know it'll be tons of fun to run with
I'm definitely gunna try it out in my next match and see if I can get anything kool out of it. Thanks for the tip

Random psychic powers are fun and could be nice in a fun game buy if you want a more competitive HQ but keep the random powers then Huron is pretty good.

My experience with competitive play is nil and to be perfectly honest I think I like it better that way. From what I've read and seen in battle reports there seems to be a generally "best" loadout for many armies and anything beyond that is based on tactics and dice rolls. I thoroughly enjoy making up a new list for every game I play and in casual games you're granted the opportunity to try new things and not have to worry about getting roflpwned by turn 2.

So with that in mind anybody play any matches lately with a DA? Any funny or epic things happen in those matches? My next match is later this week. I'm sure my DA will get up to some shenanigans with the new list I wrote. based on an earlier post about the icon of flame I've decided to try and see how many units with soul blaze I can squeeze into 750 points. I think it'll be worth a laugh to field this one

Well competitiveness is a sliding scale. For me the important thing is roughly matching your cheese/competitiveness to your opponent (either agree before or bring 2 lists) so that everyone has fun and its hopefully a close game.

Let us know how the soulblaze works out.

Completely agree, The DA is such a tasty option, perhaps it isn't pointed perfectly, but even 30 points is a drop in the ocean for a ~1500 point list anyway.

 Inevitable_Faith wrote:
DA, Plasma Pistolx2 MoN/MoT/MoS based on my mood and who I'm fighting (they all cost the same points) and if I have points to spare I'll get a combat familiar.
Why: First and foremost when I read the gunslinger rule I thought to myself "Why yes, yes I think I will"

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm afraid to say the way I read the ranged weapons upgrade section is characters may only chose a single option from the table (so the best you could do as a chaos gunslinger is a bolt pistol + plasma pistol. :(.

I assembled my CSMs when the 6th ed brb came out. After reading the gunslinger rules I assumed 2xplasma pistols would be a future option for aspiring champions so immediately made a model. When the new codex came out I was bitterly disappointed (he now tots a plasma pistol and a bolt pistol, which isn't the same). Blood angels can do double plasmas though

Inevitable_Faith wrote:Next build!

DA, Burning brand of Skalathrax, MoN/MoT/MoS
Why: Look at the stats on that flamer! STR 4 (meh) AP 3! with Torrent and Soul Blaze! You want to mess up your opponents day sitting in cover or how about tear up that stupid SM squad? Well look no further. This once again keeps your squishy DA out of CC and makes him a real threat to almost any infantry on the board. This is a real troll build I like to hide in a rhino too. Once again I'm currently running this build with multiple escort options to see where he fits in best.

QQ moment please. Oh why couldn't they word it so that Beseech the Dark Gods affected units with the Gift of Mutation?! or better yet just make that rule table-wide rather than just the unit he is attached to? Those would be great ways to justify the points on this guy.

I actually like this suggestion. You have good chances of killing squad leaders like this, and generally squad leaders are characters. You'll note that you can make a roll on the chart for killing characters like this, the chart isn't actually just for challenge kills!

For me? My dark apostle tends to be taken as he comes, or I swap his bolt pistol out for a Mark of Khorne and the Axe of Fury. I put him in a unit of Khorne Berzerkers. It's a bit of a waste as the unit is already fearless, but all's fair in the name of fun and battlefield appearance .

I used to play this, put the Dark apostle in a CSM blob with MoK and Icon of Wrath.

Equip the apostle with the Axe of Blind Fury and for ~150 points you have 5+d6 S7 Ap2 attacks on the charge re-rolling to hit and hitting at I4. That makes him a cheap, killy killy unit.

The only problem with this is getting the CSM blob to assault. Any smart opponent will focus fire the blob to try to get rid of the apostle. That's why he isn't the best unit: because he is in no way mobile.

thisisnotpancho wrote:
I used to play this, put the Dark apostle in a CSM blob with MoK and Icon of Wrath.

Equip the apostle with the Axe of Blind Fury and for ~150 points you have 5+d6 S7 Ap2 attacks on the charge re-rolling to hit and hitting at I4. That makes him a cheap, killy killy unit.

The only problem with this is getting the CSM blob to assault. Any smart opponent will focus fire the blob to try to get rid of the apostle. That's why he isn't the best unit: because he is in no way mobile.

That seems like a good candidate for a unit to ride in a Land Raider or Land Raider Spartan.

Ok quick update on how my soul blaze list went.
Start off with the list itself:
DA MoT Burning brand of Skalathrax
10 CSM w/ Rhino PG HB PW Havoc launcher and warpflame gargoyles
10 CSM (cloned as above)
Helbrute Missile Launcher, autocannon
All this into a 750 pt list.

Shorthand version of events:
Did two battles, one vs inquisitors and the other against nids.
Against the =][= the soul blaze did pay for itself in the end but didn't turn heads at the table, All in all the investment (given how awesome burning brand of skalathrax is anyways and honeslty 5 points for a warpflame gargoyle is nothing at all) was worthwhile. Throughout the game I killed 6 models with the soul blaze rule and I'm very happy with that considering the enemy had 2+ saves against it. Investment= 40 points Gain= Roughly 100 pts in kills

Now for the nid fight. I feel the dice were against me here. I failed more than half of the soul blaze checks I made which was pretty disappointing. Having said that those that I did succeed on definitely made the USR worthwhile. I killed over 20 nids with soul blaze even given the poor rolling I had on it and it did finish off a couple units that I hadn't quite killed completely during my shooting phase so I didn't have to waste an entire round of shooting to kill the last 2 nids in a squad. Overall against this type of army I think is where it shone. He obviously had more models on the field and soul blaze helped rack up the extra kills I needed to keep his number manageable.

Overall is soul blaze amazing? Absolutely not. is it a game changer? No. Was it useful and do I regret the points I spent into it? No, I think it complimented my force quite well. especially consider the Burning brand of skalathrax and how even if it didn't have soul blaze I'd take it cause it performed wonderfully. I will try this list out in bigger battles with more soul blaze units and see if it ramps up accordingly in larger battles. In these small 750 pt fights I think it did its job well.