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Every GK weapon when pitted against my Daemon v_v"

That gak is stupid and shouldn't exist, on the grounds my Daemons hate and despise all living things, so by GK logic, I should auto have stronger weapons when I'm in CC with something along the lines of ID and Hatred for everything!

Well, I imagine that the reason that GK have so many anti-Daemon tools is that the Daemons in turn ignore many GK things.

Lots of Rending and AP3 Hellblades to chop through PA.

The Daemons have little in the way of armour, only really invuls, so suddenly it's not so cool to pay for AP3 or better weapons on every single model.

Of course, how good GW balanced that out is another question, but I can see their intention...

This is the part where I say "Mat Ward", right?

 liquidjoshi wrote:
This is the part where I say "Mat Ward", right?

No, that's a special rule .

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 liquidjoshi wrote:
This is the part where I say "Mat Ward", right?

No, that's a special rule .

I thought it was a codex

 A GumyBear wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 liquidjoshi wrote:
This is the part where I say "Mat Ward", right?

No, that's a special rule .

I thought it was codex

 A GumyBear wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 liquidjoshi wrote:
This is the part where I say "Mat Ward", right?

No, that's a special rule .

I thought it was a codex

My mistake, it's going to be a supplement. Your entire army costs half of what it usually costs, and gets the ability to completely neuter any one army completely by preventing them from deploying.

Warp-quake, eat your heart out

Night Shields!

The Shield Eternal.

I'm gonna have to vote for SE as well. 50 points gets you a 3++ and no ID. That's pretty huge on top of artificer.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Well, I imagine that the reason that GK have so many anti-Daemon tools is that the Daemons in turn ignore many GK things.

Lots of Rending and AP3 Hellblades to chop through PA.

The Daemons have little in the way of armour, only really invuls, so suddenly it's not so cool to pay for AP3 or better weapons on every single model.

Of course, how good GW balanced that out is another question, but I can see their intention...

Well not really lol

I mean, loot at Dark Excommunication. They can just straight up say all your Daemons "Gifts" no longer work and all the points you poured into him are now completely worthless =/

Not really fair all considering.

Daemonbane ? (Its like a force weapon, without a downside)
Nemesis Warding Stave? (2+ Invuln save in CC)
Nemesis Daemon Hammer? (I can't even talk about this thing without puking)
Daemonblades in general. Why do these things exist? Any 2 bonuses, 0 downsides.
Brain Mines? (It's like MSS, but less of a bitch to deal with because you aren't killing youself!)

The GK specifically exist to feth up daemons. It is what they do.

 Psienesis wrote:
The GK specifically exist to feth up daemons. It is what they do.

Daemons specifically exist to feth up Everything in the mortal realm. It is what they TRY to do.

 Psienesis wrote:
The GK specifically exist to feth up daemons. It is what they do.

Which was a good deal, they used to ignore their invulnerable and such.

But then Daemons were APART of CSM, a main part and connector to the army and couldn't be used solo.

And GK were allies for other armies, and were two-three units in an army based around inquisition.

Then they realized they could try and make more money by splitting them...

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
The GK specifically exist to feth up daemons. It is what they do.

Which was a good deal, they used to ignore their invulnerable and such.

But then Daemons were APART of CSM, a main part and connector to the army and couldn't be used solo.

And GK were allies for other armies, and were two-three units in an army based around inquisition.

Then they realized they could try and make more money by splitting them...

Yes, but this is a GW problem, not a GK problem.

Personally, I think the GK should have remained an ultra-expensive ally add-on for certain armies. You should (won't) ever see more than a dozen GK in any one place at the same time, there's just not that many of them and they're all busy.

While we're following the lore for GKs around the block, we should also make it mandatory that by playing your GKs as allies with any other faction, you must immediately destroy your own models afterwards. It's the GK way!

All this GK talk actually reminded me of probably the most powerful piece of wargear ever for its points: the humble Servo Skull.

Seriously, 3 pts to stop Scouts/Infiltrate AND improve your Deep Strikes and blast weapon scatters? OP as all hell.