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 Trondheim wrote:
Place me in the category of those whom dont care about GW`s buisnins mindset, I enjoy the hobby and money will NEVER be an issue for me so I gladly pay what the models cost.

I think in the same way, but I want more than minor changes in my armies. The sisters of battle don´t have a single new miniature... but they have a new codex. Is dissapointed, overall today when GW has the technology to make beautifull miniatures. The problem with this is that they kill the taste for the game and don`t introduce new form of play.

After the latest dump GW took on the Tyranids, I feel righteous anger. Before I've forgiven them, but at this point I just want to see them sold to a company that cares about internal and external balance in armies.

The last things I bought from GW were a GK codex and dreadknight (upon release).

Haven't even bothered with them since.

My only complaint is because of the way they are putting things out, in my area, you can't use the new stuff so I have nothing to buy. I've still got over a grand in my model fund that was for the nids...

They keep adding formations and knights and stuff of that nature and my group doesn't allow them ( 50+ players) nor do they tend to allow them in any RTT/GT I attend.

I want to spend the money.. I just don't have anything to use it on yet.

Complaints with GW...
Annual price hikes since the start of an international economic recession.
Defending said hikes with made up excuses
One of the most unbalanced game systems in wargaming
Have stopped listening to customers for the most part

Pros of GW...
Their plastic kits are great for kit bashing and very posable (especially the SM line)
The lore for the games is well established and, for the most part, kicks serious ass. Especially compared to Warmahordes which just hit 10 and aside from a setting (albeit a rich one), timeline, and 3 pages of biography for each character has nothing.
Widespread use, I've been hard pressed to find warmahordes players since 2012. Met over ten 40K players.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
That would break the whole concept of 'codices' though, unless they're going to start charging a subscription fee for monthly minidex releases, which creates a nightmare of book-keeping and what have you.

Models are hard enough to cart around as it is, without having to carry an entire magazine collection with you of rules while you wait for the summative codex.

Codexes don't work properly because of the way GW lays out the rules. The 5th edition Tyranid codex required a player to refer to about eight different pages in two different books to see the rules for a single unit (Tervigon).

The problem will only be worse with the inclusion of dataslates and WD rule pages.

I like the idea of a card for each troop type. If done nicely it would quite collectable as well as practical.

It really is a love hate relationship.

I love GW models, I really do. The amount of customisation you can do with their basic plastic kits is incredible.

I also love the fluff that surrounds it and the fact that the universe was so large you can do whatever you want in it and it won't affect anyone.

I don't like the price, even with money off it still seems excessive.

I recently went to a gig. At this gig you find alcohol, however it was nearly five pounds for a single pint. As a result I didn't buy anything because I felt ripped off. If the price was three pounds a pint, I would have bought two or three (because I'm a raging alcoholic.)

I have decided not to get anything else for my CSM army (It is now 7,000 points, far too big for its own good.) Because it would cost way too much to do so. I'd love to field a unit of Raptors/Warp Talons, but they are over four pounds a model. So I wont get any. Much like the gig, if they were two or three pounds a model, I might buy two or three packs.


Edit: Oh, and don't get me started on the balance.

 Verstaka wrote:

The lore for the games is well established and, for the most part, kicks serious ass. Especially compared to Warmahordes which just hit 10 and aside from a setting (albeit a rich one), timeline, and 3 pages of biography for each character has nothing.

Not being cheeky here verstaka, but you’re talking rubbish when you say this – you simply could not be further from the truth. What you’re saying basically shows you know nothing about the subject matter. And I’m not saying this to be harsh.
Warmachine has far more than “just” 3 pages of biography for each character. Firstly, lets point out the ongoing, and evolving storyline. It doesn’t stay still. Its constantly moving forward (unlike another game that is permanently set at m41.999) and growing. Warmahordes certainly a lot more than “nothing” as you insist. Or are you aware of the Guts n Gears articles in PP’s NQ magazine that chronicle vast amounts of the equipment, and unit types in the game. Are you aware of the Gavyn Kyle Files? These are generally on specific characters (or not!) in the setting and add huge amounts of background information to them beyond what is seen in the rulebooks. Are you familiar with the frequent short stories, and pieces of fiction littered throughout NQ as well (and soon being banded together and published under PP’s Skull Island Expeditions e-books) that expand on, and continue the stories in the books? For example, what happened at the end of Apotheosis. Or the end of Domination when Kallus discovered a hidden temple of dragon worshipping elves?
Look beyond NQ, and look through the gem that is Privateer Press RPG material. Look at the old D20 books – the world guide, character books, Five Fingers, the two Monsternomicons that go into great depth listing and bringing to life the various towns, cities, areas, and figures of the setting, as well as 4,000 years of history of the iron Kingdoms. The world guide itself is immense – over 400 pages of background information that literally oozes character, grit and flair, covering history, crime, finance, culture, entertainment, politics, organisations and so on. I went into it thinking, like you, that PP fluff was lacklustre. After digging into those books, I could almost smell the coal burning, and feel the heat of the furnace! Look at their more recent IKRPG books – the core rules, urban adventures and kings, nations and gods. Again, each are huge works that explore the world and bring it to life in a way that boggles the mind.
Beyond that, Privateer Press have recently entered the world of fiction with their Skull Island Expeditions e-books. With some award winning bestseller authors in their stables. Its fairly new, and in terms of books available is limited at the moment, but it will be expanding. Regardless, it already has a number of gems that dig into the lives of some very famous characters (Makeda, Butcher, Shae etc) as well as some excellent fiction (Into the Storm).
Believe me Verstaka. You are wrong. The world, and fiction created by Privateer Press is every bit as big, colourful, gripping, gritty, and characterful as 40k.

Best selling author Larry Correia now rights for PP.

 Swastakowey wrote:
Its not all the internet. My friends and I have stopped buying anything except publications from GW now and use 3rd party models for everything, we are richer and have more variety as a result.

A lot of older people in our area have moved on from GW completely. But the kids still love it. Every area is different though, the internet contains many areas. So you end up with many opinions.

Then there are people who live in their office chairs and are just a pin about it...

Its easy to exhaggerate on the internet so dont take any of it seriously

It's worht mentioning that New Zealand is a dying market for GW products from what I've read.

In brisbane we have a respectable amount of players and most use GW brand or similar. (mostly because we'd not be allowed to play at stores otherwise.)

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
Its not all the internet. My friends and I have stopped buying anything except publications from GW now and use 3rd party models for everything, we are richer and have more variety as a result.

A lot of older people in our area have moved on from GW completely. But the kids still love it. Every area is different though, the internet contains many areas. So you end up with many opinions.

Then there are people who live in their office chairs and are just a pin about it...

Its easy to exhaggerate on the internet so dont take any of it seriously

It's worht mentioning that New Zealand is a dying market for GW products from what I've read.

In brisbane we have a respectable amount of players and most use GW brand or similar. (mostly because we'd not be allowed to play at stores otherwise.)

Is the battle bunker up there still popular?

All we have on the Gold Coast that I am aware of is a small community around our one man store and a club that I have a rather unfavorable opinion because they are unwilling to try new systems. There is a FLGS between the coast and Brissy somewhere where GW seems to be entirely dead while Warmachine and Dyst wars are thriving.