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 warboss wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
CMON, at it again- business as usual.


Good looking Not- SDE, though.

As for the Helldorado progress? It's not. Standard Cypher gak.

Worst thing for me is that I'd asked for general figures that were already available, to compliment my crews with. Still nothing.

Then you go on ahead and add in an ego sized helping of Kevin Siembieda's usual antics, and you get what you get...

Shell game companies for this tool to kick around and use as easy excuses as to why they can't deliver.

SOP for Siembieda.

Um... he has nothing to do with SDE or Helldorado or Relic Knights.

No, I can honestly see where the confusion is written in and my message is lost in translation here.

I was putting point to two or three different things discussed in one post, and it honestly came out on the page wrong.


Not trying to be a mutt, but to go back and rehit my points for the reader-

1. CMON has here an honest "Not" SDE. Its going to go about the same as the rest of thier poop. They are using Kickstarter as thier personal piggy-bank/sales tool. For all of you who like them, I don't. I've had nothing but honestly bad to questionable service and nonsupport from them in every turn. I've canned most of the projects that they crapped the bed on, and cut myself loose of thier ongoing antics to the point where the logo is a killswitch of epic proportions for me. Looks nice, but I'll not be partaking, even though I've found that I have a massive soft spot for chibi-headed Fantasy games.

2. Helldorado's KS project has been unnessesarily delayed, and the delay excuses are bad or worse. Cypher is a gak company and in between the shell games that they play, they have not did a steller job on this project, then go in with games and gears on another one- leading to more of the same sort of the feeling that these game companies are just using KS to keep thier companies afloat. All it takes is a two liter serving of give a darn as is illustrated in the KS project. Long delays, miscasts, shoddy communications.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1188790300/hell-dorado-miniature-skirmish-game-inferno-expans/comments

3. Palladium- Not that I really care about them, but I honestly just hate this guy in all of the gamer glory of old school dark side powaahh!! Anything he has a hand in has always ended up with babby poo all over it. THE ROBOTECH project is par for that course.

4. Sodapop, Cypher, Paladium, CMON.... gak companies. Just saying. All have done just the bare minimum needed to work in this industry. A few of them have done well, but on the whole, NONE of them are my first choice in gaming companies. If anything being associated with these companies makes me NOT want to look at what your doing, thats why I said it was a "Not" SDE clone game and hate to say it will probibly just watch this one with a bag of popcorn in one hand, and a giant salt shaker in another.

As for saying shell companies, thats my personal feeling. They did this flim flam as a tax dodge, but customers are going to get the same, if not exact, experience with one company as another. Big talk, little to no action, with excuses abound as to why they can't deliver on time. "Well... thats just KS...." is gak as an excuse.

Yes, because something shares a popular aesthetic makes it the same game. Good call there.

Facepalm.

I think where we'll have to really see a difference is in the rules.

Campaign vs SDE's one offs. Heroes vs the board (and each other) instead of heroes vs player controlled monsters is a big change between the two.

I really hope they don't push the PVP aspect of Arcadia too much. I've already got SDE for that!


Now that I think about it, I remember the designer mentioning a "project phoenix" he was working on around the time of Kaosball. I guess Arcadia Quest was operating under the moniker of project phoenix in house. Lang said he'd been working on it a while, so it's quite possible they had a lot of these design ideas in place long before things started turning sour (at least from an outsider's point of view) with soda pop.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I think where we'll have to really see a difference is in the rules.

Campaign vs SDE's one offs. Heroes vs the board (and each other) instead of heroes vs player controlled monsters is a big change between the two.

I really hope they don't push the PVP aspect of Arcadia too much. I've already got SDE for that!


Now that I think about it, I remember the designer mentioning a "project phoenix" he was working on around the time of Kaosball. I guess Arcadia Quest was operating under the moniker of project phoenix in house. Lang said he'd been working on it a while, so it's quite possible they had a lot of these design ideas in place long before things started turning sour (at least from an outsider's point of view) with soda pop.

I would think Phoenix is the still-in-development-hell promised relaunch of Confrontation, titled "Phoenix Edition".

http://confrontationphoenix.com/

 Zweischneid wrote:


I would think Phoenix is the still-in-development-hell promised relaunch of Confrontation, titled "Phoenix Edition".

http://confrontationphoenix.com/

That would make more sense. I could have sworn I saw Arcadia referred to as the project phoenix they were working on at some point. Maybe I'm just going crazy and the streams got crossed somewhere in my adventures on the internet.

Bringing up Confrontation though, I wonder if they'd still go through with it, seeing as how that might cut into their Wrath of King's market.

Then again, we've got this Arcadia Quest coming out when CMON had some involvement with SDE (even if only via distribution) at one point or another, so who knows...

I don't see Confrontation being able to rise from the ashes any time soon.... really ever under the company that manages it. There was an insane amount of metal stock liquidated that's still in circulation for much less than they are willing to sell new releases for. They had to cut prices again and again (and they still didnt move). Those Acheron/Griffin packs were DOA. Which makes me think they WAY overpaid on those molds/rights, or are just being stupid greedy and trying to recoup too much too fast. I don't think anything has been released since the Dwarf Golem, what, over a year ago?

I've got a couple 5 gallon tubs full of blisters I paid 5-10 cents on the dollar for. Most of the diehards collections are filled... they need to be making new stuff or offering the old stuff much cheaper to get in new players. Hell, hire the Legendarion dude, or just sell him the rights cheap. He's got the style down, and has been making new pieces. This is what you get for just sitting on your license doing nothing. I hate to say it, but the recasters are doing a better job expanding the world and growing the line.

As for Arcadia quest, it could be neat. SDE is a little too basic and "button mashy" for my tastes.

The Kickstarter is live now if anyone is interested

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/arcadia-quest

There's 600 $90 EBs the only other level is the regular $100 level.

18 Days only finishes about the same time as DBX

Here's the minis

Well hot damn, that came out of nowhere!

I'm in. Duh.

Bring on the ridiculousness!

So... a total SDE ripoff then? Really not interested... I know SDE is inspired by many other things, but this just seems low by CMON. You can part ways, but to put out a near identical product... hmmmmmmmm.

Also, this:

 cincydooley wrote:
Let me just tell you that it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect an SDE 2nd Edition Kickstarter project this year with no involvement of CMoN......

Eric Lang also designed Quarriors, one of the favorite games at my house.

I love Quarriors! But the names on the box seem to have changed with the more recent expansions... I still have yet to actually play with the Questing dice from the latest expansion, since the game seemed about complicated enough for a quick fun game already. It's also a shame how each new expansion doesn't use the mechanics of the previous one, but that's neither here nor there...

Seems more like Fantasy Zombicide then a complete SDE rip off.

 cincydooley wrote:
No, they did. Arcadia looks pretty diff (I don't know a ton about it yet) but I'm digging with my sources to see if they'll hook me up with some teasers. As soon as I get it, I'll keep y'all updated.

It will be a KS, but I believe they're not starting it until they have all of their outstanding KS products (Zombicide S2 wave 2, Rivet Wars wave 2, Kaosball) in house so they can be prepped for shipping. I think (grain of salt) that their goal is mid march so it's running during adepticon.

So much for that - Still waiting for Relic Knights so skipping on this

This is a first for CMoN - shipping is now charged on actual cost charged through the CKPM - expect this going forward for their campaigns shipping just got a lot more expensive.

Shipping information - Please take note

Based on past experience, we will be charging shipping after the Kickstarter concludes based on the actual costs incurred to ship. We will collect this via our pledge manager after the campaign concludes.

This is so we can be fair to all our backers as shipping is rarely one size fits all, and also give you more stretch goodies and possibly a choice of carrier options.

We will ship your rewards at our cost to our international hubs. Depending on where in the world you are, we will either ship you from our hub in Germany (EU backers), China (Asia Pacific backers), or Atlanta (USA and the rest of the world). As a rough estimate, the game will cost about $11 to ship in the USA, about $20-$25 in the EU (due to VAT), and $11 to Hong Kong all the way up to $40 for Australia, but this may increase or decrease based on the quantity of stretch goals we might unlock and your carrier choices.

Interesting that shipping isn't included with the campaign.

We'll be paying that via pledge manager.

Hopefully they'll let everyone know within a reasonable span of time just how much that shipping will be.

and hopefully they will allow cancellations if shipping works out too expensive to justify the cost.

Not sure those are the same scale as SDE anyways...

But they are nice figures. Gameplay sounds very interesting.

I would hope that those shipping costs are told to everyone prior to the campaign ending, so we all know what to expect.

I doubt there will be any cross compatibility with SDE. That'd be cool if there was, but I doubt it.

Will this rise to the heights of some of their other projects? For a campaign type game I always like to see lots of monster variety.

Well, if they're shipping it to a hub at their expense it may work out cheaper for international pledgers. Though I guess it depends on how much extra stuff is unlocked in the next 18 days now that it's funded.

One other thing to keep in mind about shipping: US Backers are paying as well.

Update #1 Feb 25 2014
We’re funded!

Wow! Thanks everyone, at just about 30 minutes into the kickstarter we fully funded! We’re super happy that there is such a strong fervor around Arcadia Quest… but the quest for loot isn’t over yet! Actually it’s just begun, now let’s get to hitting some of those epic stretch goals! Our first goal is $75,000, which will get all backers plastic coins! Don’t forget to spread the word, get your friends involved, and tell everyone you know so we can hit all those goals!

I'm thinking this one should be a lot more accessible than Myth for people new to these types of board games.

I wonder if the total funding will go as high as Myth did...

I'm in, my daughter doesn't like the vs way SDE plays, this looks like what she prefers. The monster mins are a bit bland though.

Comment from one of the game designers


Thiago Aranha 23 minutes ago

Solo play is something we went back and forth a lot during development, but in the end we had to let go of it because it was hampering the core game itself.
But that doesn't mean we can't look into it for an expansion, if there's really strong interest in it. But this is not something we'd ship out without some extensive development and playtesting, since it would be such a fundamental shift in the dynamic of the game.

so NO SOLO play at present

 DaveC wrote:
and hopefully they will allow cancellations if shipping works out too expensive to justify the cost.

Given the new terms they usually put out with their pledge managers now, I highly doubt it.

It's a bummer that folks will basically buy anything CMON throws up there without batting an eye, at least to me... so many other worthy campaigns. They've had problems with a number of campaigns but it doesn't seem to deter people from piling in on news ones in the slightest...

I do know that some problems aren't their own creation (Soda Pop). But then, they can't get full credit for the fantastic ones either, right (Zombicide)? It's very hit-and-miss, so I don't quite get why people jump on them as if they're a sure thing when the quality has varied in level from Sedition Wars (so much angst) to Zombicide (generally very happy backers).

Again, if the fault isn't theirs, and every project is totally independent... then the credit isn't really theirs either when things go well?

because they are big campaigns so a backer can be reasonably sure of plenty of stretch goal stuff (a lot of it free)

and while the quality is not outstanding it is decent

the same reason why loads of folk go to chain restaurants, which are generally not as good as the best independents, but provide decent value

(the only stuff of theirs I've had major issues with were 3 or 4 of the sedition wars KS exclusive minis which were duds, everything else has been decent if not outstanding value for money)




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Creator CoolMiniOrNot 17 minutes ago

Minis are pre-assembled, and the bases you see are 25mm for the Heroes and monsters, and 39mm for the Troll and Minotaur.

Hammer and Spear Beastmen are also 39mm.

Interesting Soda Pop miniatures decided to do an announcement for the next SDE expansion shortly after this went live

https://m.facebook.com/99556434458/photos/a.157465734458.144737.99556434458/10152288474344459/?type=1&source=46&refid=17

 DaveC wrote:
Interesting Soda Pop miniatures decided to do an announcement for the next SDE expansion shortly after this went live

https://m.facebook.com/99556434458/photos/a.157465734458.144737.99556434458/10152288474344459/?type=1&source=46&refid=17

Ha, way to draw attention to the fact it's STILL not out SPM!

Happy to say I don't care for the looks of these. The big heads don't work as well with the longer limbs/torsos IMO. (compared to the squat little nubs SDE minis have)

I'm glad - because I'd have been conflicted if they were really awesome; wanting them, but then finding it kinda crappy how they came about.

They look better than SDE... Those Orcs are badass and not-voldemort is awesome.

I also like when Anime-style goes 'english' where characters have over-exaggerated western features like the priest/monk/vampire. Not every guy needs to be a anime-head clone.

Let's hope CMoN can avoid screwing it up, but the minis are cool enough I won't mind... I mean seriously... Will I ever get my Relic Knights SDE 6-pack? Sodapop has no one to blame but themselves for basically letting their game languish and risk others bulldoze their market. I mean Sodapop has been asking about PVP and Co-op for months and people have been making 'fan rules' as the market clearly prefers PVP or co-op over DM play so they had a window to release both 'campaign' and 'co-op' with DMless play.

This is super appealing as I think this is a much easier sell over SDE to people not comfortable with DM play and may be 'lighter' than myth. We will see.

i like some of the models, but i do wonder why almost all of them have screaming villain who just got thwarted expressions
i'll probably give this one a pass

I'm sure it'll sell because CMON has gotten an incredible reach, but I can't really see how this competes in a niche with the already very impressive looking SDE or Myth games.

Guess we'll see though.