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Just saw this pop up on Facebook.

Wasn't sure if Dakka was aware of it, figured I'd put it up here so everyone can take a look. Picture of the box seemed kind of gigantic so I put it in spoilers to be on the safe side.



The SD design choice almost feels like they're stepping on Soda Pop's toes a bit. Maybe there'll be a bit of cross promotion? Maybe some ill will between the two or a bit of a rivalry starting? I have no idea.

Seems you have a guild with 3 heroes that do a bit of delving. Campaign based with scenario outcomes affecting later challenges. Players vs players vs the board (monsters). 9 modular tiles as per the usual with a CMON board game. Looks to be rooms or obstacles that can be placed on the tiles for more variety. Weapons seem to have an actual icon versus Super Dungeon's pile of words with no flash to go with the loot. Players vs board makes me wonder if they'll include a solo mechanic as well.



Minis are a bit hard to see in the picture, and it looks like it's just mostly heroes. You're supposed to get 37 figures with the game (assuming it's not a KS and they end up with piles of extras). Board looks pretty bland at the moment too. Art and a bit of a blurb on all the heroes and monsters can be found at a new web page they just put up for it:

http://arcadiaquest.com/en/

Not sure if it's a regular release or another kickstarter. Could be a new KS campaign since it's been a while, and Zombicide S2 is getting ready to ship, Rivet Wars is wrapping up all its extra stuff, Kaosball is waiting on new rulebooks, leaving Wrath of Kings chugging along...

.... and then there's Relic Knights. Which does seem to slowly be inching its way to the light at the end of the tunnel.

I know many of your opinions about CMON's kickstarters, so don't shoot the messenger! Just letting people know what they've got coming (as that seems to qualify as news) and I know I'm not the only fan of this style of artwork and game style.

Huh - that does seem weird that they would produce something that seems rather close to SDE in both art direction and gameplay-wise.

I couldn't find any pics of the actual minis (or renders) on the site though. They'd have to be pretty damn good since I'm already heavily invested in SDE.

Agreed. It's damn close to SDE which is by no means a bad thing but it makes me wonder if they're trying to sidestep Soda Pop Miniatures.

And KS or regular release, I'll probably be jumping in on this.

their facebook (https://www.facebook.com/arcadiaquest) gives the names of the designers

A game designed by Eric Lang, Thiago Aranha, Fred Perret and Guilherme Goulart

but it certainly looks interesting, and I'm especially keen to get a better look at the minis (and find out what size they are with respect to SDE and to Impact's Chibi line)

Eric Lang (who did Kaos Ball for CMON) posted (http://www.ericmlang.com/blog/introducing-spaghetti-western-games)

I have joined forces with a group of extraordinary producers and artists to create a new game design studio dedicated to awesome “AAA” style hobby games. Project Phoenix is our first endeavor (look for an announcement on Boardgamegeek on Friday). More details soon.

We already have plans for 1-2 really big games per year to follow. We’ll be working with some of the finest artists, sculptors and graphic designers on original games set in original properties. This is what I came back to hobby games for!

 Dentry wrote:
Agreed. It's damn close to SDE which is by no means a bad thing but it makes me wonder if they're trying to sidestep Soda Pop Miniatures.

And KS or regular release, I'll probably be jumping in on this.

I think you should ask yourself how their previous publishing endeavor with SPM went and if that may have affected said relationship :-P

That could make any future releases for RELIC KNIGHTS through CMON a bit up in the air and/or awkward and/or not happening?

 cincydooley wrote:

 Dentry wrote:
Agreed. It's damn close to SDE which is by no means a bad thing but it makes me wonder if they're trying to sidestep Soda Pop Miniatures.

And KS or regular release, I'll probably be jumping in on this.

I think you should ask yourself how their previous publishing endeavor with SPM went and if that may have affected said relationship :-P

Did they have some sort of falling out I'm unaware of? SDE seems really popular - so I would think it would bring in a sizeable amount of cash to CMON?

As CMON is a publisher it doesn't stop them handling similar games

but I doubt it will make Soda Pop happy especially if the gameplay is similar

but then again Soda Pop teaming up with Cypher/Palladium for Robotech Tactics probably didn't bring a lot of joy to CMON

but I'm sure they'll carry on working together anyway

I'm sure it's nothing sinister but as Cincy alludes - and yes, Cincy, I did ask myself that - this does make one wonder if perhaps they'd rather not deal with SPM. Both ks projects they're involved with haven't exactly been the smoothest around.

But, again, it's probably just as simple as another SD (super deformed) style game filtered through CMON which only magnifies any similarities with SDE.

If only CMON would find a way to put out a SD Robotech game.

Didn't CMON also help distribute Super Dungeon?

I seem to recall their logo on the box. Maybe that's just my imagination.

Maybe it was just the base game? Dunno...

No, they did. Arcadia looks pretty diff (I don't know a ton about it yet) but I'm digging with my sources to see if they'll hook me up with some teasers. As soon as I get it, I'll keep y'all updated.

It will be a KS, but I believe they're not starting it until they have all of their outstanding KS products (Zombicide S2 wave 2, Rivet Wars wave 2, Kaosball) in house so they can be prepped for shipping. I think (grain of salt) that their goal is mid march so it's running during adepticon.

I don't think it's any surprise that things aren't well between Soda and CMON after the massive delays with Relic Knights.

Yeah - I'm not so sure there hasn't been some sort of split.

I was watching a now-deleted thread on Arcadia Quest on the Soda Pop forums. Looking around on the other forums I saw some stuff like this posted by Soda Pop staff:

"Legion no longer represents Soda Pop games. We will be posting information about our own volunteer program soon."

"Please send an email to rxxx@sodapopminiatures.com and I can help get that taken care of. Ixxx@sodapopminiatures.com is the normal email for missing parts and questions, but as we have been going through some switch over with Missing Parts with CoolMiniOrNot there has been some confusion."

So Soda Pop minis is now handling their own missing parts, and is no longer part of Legion (CMON's fan volunteer group).

I have no other info than what's presented here - but it appears something is going on.

That makes me wonder if CMON will still be distributing the next Super Dungeon expansion that's been getting teased.

Also makes me wonder what the future of Relic Knights will hold. If there are any future releases (or even retail at this point), who is it going to be through?

I would imagine both companies would be getting a slice of the profit, at least until there are any further negotiations. I still want a Noh box!

Having Eric Lang on board could be good news. If you aren't big board games fans, the guy's done some big games- the Call of Cthulhu CCG, the Game of Thrones card game, Chaos in the Old World, and Warhammer Invasion come to mind. I want to say he was involved in that Doom Trooper stinker as well, but the less said about that, the better.

Good on CMON if they actually get all their previous stuff sorted out for the most part before starting this. I think it would sit better with a lot of people.

With the mention of campaign play, it makes me wonder if CMON are finally going to give a Warhammer Quest style game a try. Should be interesting. Mantic will have to step up their game and get that Dwarf King's Hold rolling to compete!

Say what you want about CMON, but their campaigns are always a fun ride. The wait may be intolerable, the delays may be infuriating, the updates may be nonexistent, the comments section may a cesspool of filth, whining, and degradation, and the final quality may be lacking, but those 30 day rides always entertain!

Yeah, it's gone from missing items being sent ASAP by CMON to email us at SPM and we'll ignore it.

Let me just tell you that it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect an SDE 2nd Edition Kickstarter project this year with no involvement of CMoN......

Eric Lang also designed Quarriors, one of the favorite games at my house.

I'm not sure how to feel about that. What's SPM's track record on its own? All I've known of them are the trickled releases of minis before SDE and the Relic Knights kickstarter put them on my radar. Perhaps the delays and inefficiency experienced are a result of CMON and SPM channels not meshing well(?) and they'll do better on their own.

Huh - I had no idea there was any acrimony between them at all before tonight.

Everytime I go to CMON's shop the Super Dungeon Explore core set is the best selling item, usually with some of the promos in the top 10 with it. You'd think that'd be enough to smooth over any tension and let them work together.

I don't think it's acrimony. I think it's simply more a difference of management styles.

I'm sure there's a sizable contract in place that SPM would need to buy out in order to completely dissolve the relationship.

Well it will be good to know that they intend on delivering Relic Knights before starting another KS it will be almost 9 months and counting past due

 Dentry wrote:
I'm not sure how to feel about that. What's SPM's track record on its own? All I've known of them are the trickled releases of minis before SDE and the Relic Knights kickstarter put them on my radar. Perhaps the delays and inefficiency experienced are a result of CMON and SPM channels not meshing well(?) and they'll do better on their own.

SPM, also known as Ninja Division (ND), has a poor record with Palladium right now on Robotech RPG Tactics (RRT). We'll see how they do with the Mega-Man board game KS they are a part of. Both Relic Knights and RRT are both hugely behind, but it is hard to seperate SPM/ND from the partners, CMoN and Palladium. If Mega-Man has horrible delays, that might spell a trend, as SPM/ND are the only common denominator...

 Salacious Greed wrote:

SPM, also known as Ninja Division (ND), has a poor record with Palladium right now on Robotech RPG Tactics (RRT). We'll see how they do with the Mega-Man board game KS they are a part of. Both Relic Knights and RRT are both hugely behind, but it is hard to seperate SPM/ND from the partners, CMoN and Palladium. If Mega-Man has horrible delays, that might spell a trend, as SPM/ND are the only common denominator...

Cipher Studios is also part of Ninja Division, how is the fulfillment of Helldorado going?

Delayed (well it is a KS) but stuff is going out now

They had temps helping pack & send stuff so seem to have had a load of misspacks & missing stuff in the pledges that went out initially to the USA, so they're now slowing down and re-checking the stuff going out to Europe & the ROW

they've also been selling some of the new minis through retail/distribution long before the KS shipped (I'm not deeply enough involved to know if this is something they said would happen during the KS or if it just did)

CMON, at it again- business as usual.


Good looking Not- SDE, though.

As for the Helldorado progress? It's not. Standard Cypher gak.

Worst thing for me is that I'd asked for general figures that were already available, to compliment my crews with. Still nothing.

Then you go on ahead and add in an ego sized helping of Kevin Siembieda's usual antics, and you get what you get...

Shell game companies for this tool to kick around and use as easy excuses as to why they can't deliver.

SOP for Siembieda.

 Grot 6 wrote:
CMON, at it again- business as usual.


Good looking Not- SDE, though.

As for the Helldorado progress? It's not. Standard Cypher gak.

Worst thing for me is that I'd asked for general figures that were already available, to compliment my crews with. Still nothing.

Then you go on ahead and add in an ego sized helping of Kevin Siembieda's usual antics, and you get what you get...

Shell game companies for this tool to kick around and use as easy excuses as to why they can't deliver.

SOP for Siembieda.

Um... he has nothing to do with SDE or Helldorado or Relic Knights.

I hope beyond hope there's a custom art stretch goal, so that all the loot cards have unique pictures on them. I HATE dungeon crawls with a wall of text stating how awesome my new weapon is. SHOW ME.

Totally OT, but related to Robotech/ Palladium. I have long held a secret hope that Palladium do some sort of board game/ skirmish game/ new miniatures line with their Rifts stuff. I know it would be a hot mess, and full of drama and emotional outbursts from all involved, but I still totally would want it.

 Cyporiean wrote:

 Salacious Greed wrote:

SPM, also known as Ninja Division (ND), has a poor record with Palladium right now on Robotech RPG Tactics (RRT). We'll see how they do with the Mega-Man board game KS they are a part of. Both Relic Knights and RRT are both hugely behind, but it is hard to seperate SPM/ND from the partners, CMoN and Palladium. If Mega-Man has horrible delays, that might spell a trend, as SPM/ND are the only common denominator...

Cipher Studios is also part of Ninja Division, how is the fulfillment of Helldorado going?

I think they're done for US at least. I got my package weeks ago. Double Hellgate with a lot of swaps and it was accurate.

 Grot 6 wrote:
CMON, at it again- business as usual.


Good looking Not- SDE, though.

As for the Helldorado progress? It's not. Standard Cypher gak.

Worst thing for me is that I'd asked for general figures that were already available, to compliment my crews with. Still nothing.

Then you go on ahead and add in an ego sized helping of Kevin Siembieda's usual antics, and you get what you get...

Shell game companies for this tool to kick around and use as easy excuses as to why they can't deliver.

SOP for Siembieda.

Palladium has actually been done with their part of Robotech since early December IIRC. They are waiting for models to be done so they can be tooled, manufactured and then they get back involved for shipping. Till then, the bottle neck is out of their control.

Feel free to check out the latest update. Palladium doesn't do the actual work in changing the models but they are responsible for dictating the changes. They're also still working on the rules as of this week and their "minis" guy still hasn't finished the single painting guide chapter he has been working on now for 6-7 weeks. Palladium absolutely is a large part of the Robotech bottleneck and always has been. After they're done (and despite getting multiple HG approvals in the past or at least using that excuse for about a month and a half of delays non-stop), they'll have to get it all likely reapproved by HG as well.