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It seems obvious that the stomp attack only hits models under the template. If it automatically hit all models then why use the template in the first place. Besides all template attacks only hit models covered by said template. As far I know anyway.

To the (incredibly silly) interpretation that an entire unit is stomped at once: technically yes it is, but if you read further you'll see that stomp damage is only resolved on models underneath the blast marker. So it does not hit all 30 boyz at once.

As to the walkers being charged - it appears it's legal. Based on already posted FAQs and lines of thought that's how it looks to me anyway.

I'm just concerned that I can't bury a killy armorbane character (like Kharn) in a unit of cultists. It seems the stomps imply he can be sniped out with the 6 roll.

If they get more than one hit on the stomp. They can snipe out anything they want as long as it was within 3" of another blast marker. ( and they roll a 6 of course)

So yes, they could very well step on ole Kharn if the dice see fit to allow it.

It is clear that since the Knight is a vehicle he can't be assaulted - this is more specific. The new model is just out now and people are already trying to find ways to nerf it. :(

It assaults and gets assaulted like infantry, but is still in fact a vehicle.

And you still cant assault a vehicle you cant hurt.

The fact that walkers are vehicles takes precedence over anything else IMO unless its a specific walker rule IMO

I actually get sad when you guys post videos without that porno music in the front.

As for the game I was pretty surprised how conservative the deathwing player was with the knight, it moves 12" and can steam roll you in combat. But its a first game and rules were fuzzy. I'd like to see you guys test the 5 at 1850 list.

With stomp attacks at I1 the enemy will have piled in twice to a nice clump. I think assaulting a super heavy walker is a bad idea unless you can kill it. If played correctly those scarabs wouldn't have tar pitted the knight for as long as they did, and any non-fearless unit would take so many stomp casualties they would be forced to take an insanely low morale check.

I think it is worth mentioning in this specific case the scarabs even though their strength isn't high enough to immediately hurt they knight, with entropic strike they could hurt the knight when its armor is lowered, which does give them a chance to hurt the knight in assault and they should be allowed to assault.

blaktoof wrote:
I think it is worth mentioning in this specific case the scarabs even though their strength isn't high enough to immediately hurt they knight, with entropic strike they could hurt the knight when its armor is lowered, which does give them a chance to hurt the knight in assault and they should be allowed to assault.

super heavies ignore entropic strike.

thanks for that, so yeah

I believe that you can assault them as the Walker rules are more specific than the vehicle rules as a walker is a sub-type of vehicle.

Also, I think it would be very bad for the game to to rule it the other way, honestly.

We also need to decide if the stomps can snipe, and if they can hit things not in combat with the knight.

I would say the snipe is pretty solid. If you look at the picture in Escalation on how they explain stomp ( with a stompa) and you combine that with the rules how the hit is applied to the models under it... you get mad sniping.

As for the unit it is not in combat with, not clue. I would like to say no, but I'm sure someone will argue with me.

Yes, we should just accept that model sniping is possible (1/6 of the time). This is only slightly different from LOS sniping, barrage sniping, b2b sniping, challenge sniping, range sniping - the list goes on. 1/6 of the time a stomp pwns a 3" circle in cc with a knight Titan. I think that's a fair ability for a 375 pt walker.

Yeah, and you can LoS! them, too. It just feels so dirty, lol, and if you roll that 6 and get multiple stomps, wow, that is brutal. Better than the normal D attacks.

As for walking the stomps out of combat into other units, it appears to be legal per the rules but certainly doesn't seem correct.

I think regular D is overall better because stomp damage is normally resolved at s6 ap4. A marine can handle that sort of damage.

 Reecius wrote:
Yeah, and you can LoS! them, too. It just feels so dirty, lol, and if you roll that 6 and get multiple stomps, wow, that is brutal. Better than the normal D attacks.

As for walking the stomps out of combat into other units, it appears to be legal per the rules but certainly doesn't seem correct.

Its not wounded it is removed from play. I believe there is no LoS for that.

 jy2 wrote:
I actually posted the assault question in YMDC before. It happened between my soulgrinder and a unit of gants that assaulted it to try to lock it in place. Even Yakface chimed in.

The consensus then by most of the rules people (including Yakface) was that no, the gants shouldn't have been able to charge the walker.

Yeah, you'll get better results discussing this in YMDC, as jy2 says. Yak's rules posts are always worth a read, and usually well supported. Discussing it in a bat rep won't really get you the same in-depth debate.

That said, Knights, wooooo!! Just picked one up today, pretty stoked for these.

Ive raised a thread in YMDC regarding this scenario around scarabs charging a knight, as I for one would like to see everyones input. Hopefully there is good spirited debate
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/583313.page#6605126


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my thread was locked and pointed to this discussion from last week
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/581985.page

I'm on the phone with Yak and the FAQ guys right now, we are addressing a lot of these issues right now.

Hopefully your using some sort of cold war era red phone

@Ironicsilence

Lol! Haha, I wish!

@Tomb King

Yeah, you are right, I forgot about that.

Nevermind, forgot about the SHV rule.

 Reecius wrote:
I'm on the phone with Yak and the FAQ guys right now, we are addressing a lot of these issues right now.

So, were you convinced?

I can see this is quite unclear, but after reading the YMDC thread linked to above I'm definitely coming down on the side of "cannot be assaulted by a unit that can't harm it" per the vehicle rules.

Also found out from that thread that it can't fire overwatch... good to know!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/581985.page