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Mr Nobody wrote: He spent his entire life talking about peace and love. No car chases, fight scenes or explosions. Sure there's a miracle from time to time, but nothing hollywood would find exciting.
JC could flip him a mean money table, man.
Also, depending on which apocryphal books you read, Jesus was way into killing people as a kid.
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Mr Nobody wrote: He spent his entire life talking about peace and love. No car chases, fight scenes or explosions. Sure there's a miracle from time to time, but nothing hollywood would find exciting.
JC could flip him a mean money table, man.
Also, depending on which apocryphal books you read, Jesus was way into killing people as a kid.
Certain passages are very short but discussing put the smack down on demons and such.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Easy E wrote: I remember looking at the poster for this flick...
And thinking, "Why are they trying to make it look like a war movie?"
"I come not to bring peace but a sword"?
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Hanith wrote: Try something you can understand without google-ing the lyrics. Like this:
I cannot ! I cannot try this song, because, well, I have already bought this album and I already know this song by heart. Sorry.
Does not make Horde's lyrics any less hilarious, or the music any worse.
Also you got nothing that beat that voice, nothing :
Now give up and repent .
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Cheesecat wrote: To be fair a lot of things involving religion are quite boring like attending church, nuns, reading the bible, christian rock groups, internet arguments over religion (or lack thereof), etc.
Granted, Lou Reed was Jewish, and this song probably has more to do with grasping for some form of benevolent higher power while having to deal with something so suffocating as a heroin addiction, but it's still a damn good Christian-ish song.
I think it's due to movies always trying to portray him as something beyond being a man. It's hard to connect to a person that is perfect and all knowing or all compassionate, which is typically where those movies fail.
The entire point of Jesus is that he was human like the rest of us and had all the same emotions successes and failures that we all experience. Dramatic and engaging story telling always requires potential for the protagonist to fail or die etc. The way most Christian movies are portrayed they don't account for those options so the stories feel weak or forced as there is no connection between the character and the audience.
As a human he would have had moments of doubt, weakness and insecurities, but that's not something most directors are willing to address and because of that he always comes off as a flat infallible character. The audience can't really connect on a personal level with the image of perfection so it leads to a disconnect. Plus knowing the full story in advance doesn't lend any favors to creating tension devices within the film. When you know in advance that the character always lives it diffuses much of the dramatic elements.
As far as portraying the emotional range of Jesus as a human I thought the passion was pretty strong, but a lot of people dislike it because of how he's portrayed as it clashes with a lot of the perceived perfection common in other renditions in film.
Having one song (or a few) involving christian themes doesn't make you a christian rock group, that being said my statement is kind of stupid as there's lot's of non-boring things that involves religion like I find the architecture of many religious buildings fascinating for example.
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Cheesecat wrote: To be fair a lot of things involving religion are quite boring like attending church, nuns, reading the bible, christian rock groups, internet arguments over religion (or lack thereof), etc.
Granted, Lou Reed was Jewish, and this song probably has more to do with grasping for some form of benevolent higher power while having to deal with something so suffocating as a heroin addiction, but it's still a damn good Christian-ish song.
Not sure if religious, though.
Cheesecat wrote: Having one song (or a few) involving christian themes doesn't make you a christian rock group, that being said my statement is kind of stupid as there's lot's of non-boring things that involves religion like I find the architecture of many religious buildings fascinating for example.
Horde is totally Christian, every song that has lyrics speaks about Christianity. For instance, Drink from the chalice of blood is about the Eucharist. Weak, Feeble, Dying, Antichrist is about the antichrist being weak, feeble and dying. Invert the Inverted Cross is, well, self-explanatory. Release And Clothe The Virgin Sacrifice is about some virgin that repent and is consequently saved from a human sacrifice by some kind of satanist cult by angels, or something. But it seems it does not suit your tastes...
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
It's pretty tough to make a story for a fanbase who really, really can't tolerate any kind of challenge of their pre-existing ideas. Challenge any of their pre-existing ideas and you risk alienating them, but challenge nothing and you've made a boring movie. And perhaps the biggest risk of all is that you might change something just for the sake of changing it, and actually lose what's important in the story along the way.
That doesn't make it impossible, of course, but you do need to really know the story, and know your audience, and have a genuine desire to tell them the story in a way they haven't seen before. And then execute that perfectly.
Obviously, Mark Burnett didn't choose that approach. Mark Burnett is the guy behind Survivor, The Apprentice and about half of the other reality TV shows that suck but somehow rated really well anyway. He isn't making anything because he wants to put a new artistic vision on the screen, and help people know God better. He's doing it because there's a lot of money in the Jesus market, and a Jesus movie that is all about Jesus without upsetting any particular denomination is a solid investment. That History Channel Bible series he did was boring schlock that didn't help anyone see anything about their faith in a new way, but it was highly profitable schlock.
So, you know, business as usual. If this was Batman and Batman and Robin was just released, we'd call it exploitative producers ringing every dime they could out of a franchise. But instead, because it's religion, we somehow leap to thinking the problem is with the story, not with this particularly exploitative production.
Captain Fantastic wrote: I mean, he was a middle eastern carpenter who supposedly lived over two thousand years ago in the fertile crescent... How interesting can you make it? It just doesn't make for a winning story.
Son of a carpenter, who far from making chairs all day spent his time preaching radical religious beliefs, and was eventually executed for it. There's really no problem with that story.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Honestly it'd be better if they did it on the Apostles like Paul of Tarsus or Peter and how they eventually got killed instead of Jesus. A bit more relatable given that Jesus is divine and man at the same time whereas the others are only human, even if heads and shoulders above others in their enlightenment, it'd be easier to cast and write and you wouldn't have to worry about the portrayal as much.
I also would not say no to an Old Testament movie, I'd love to see Elijah calling down fireballs to blow up guys sent after him into a crisp.
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I only read the first line in your post. Just a heads up.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Ill go through and read it tmrw im sure, but for now Meh.
I edited my post to put in a funnier response. Well, I think it was funnier, your mileage may vary.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Ill go through and read it tmrw im sure, but for now Meh.
I edited my post to put in a funnier response. Well, I think it was funnier, your mileage may vary.
Snarkier, I just caught it tho.
I wasnt trying to be rude with my initial line just as a forewarning if this was a serious thread or if someone had pitched the ideas already.
Grimskul wrote: Honestly it'd be better if they did it on the Apostles like Paul of Tarsus or Peter and how they eventually got killed instead of Jesus. A bit more relatable given that Jesus is divine and man at the same time whereas the others are only human, even if heads and shoulders above others in their enlightenment, it'd be easier to cast and write and you wouldn't have to worry about the portrayal as much.
I also would not say no to an Old Testament movie, I'd love to see Elijah calling down fireballs to blow up guys sent after him into a crisp.
This is a good idea. Perhaps a story about James would be cool to. I'm sure being the brother of Jesus was pretty rough on him.
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Captain Fantastic wrote: I mean, he was a middle eastern carpenter who supposedly lived over two thousand years ago in the fertile crescent... How interesting can you make it? It just doesn't make for a winning story.
Son of a carpenter, who far from making chairs all day spent his time preaching radical religious beliefs, and was eventually executed for it. There's really no problem with that story.
Carpenter is just terrible translation. The word translates closer to construction worker or builder.
You know you're really doing something when you can make strangers hate you over the Internet. - Mauleed
Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
Hallowed is the All Pie The Before Times: A Place That Celebrates The World That Was
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
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