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Seriously. There is no good ending, and 40k is a story about the end times.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Glaiceana wrote:
They kind of leave it open and up to us to continue the story lol, like Azreal said, its a setting, and we play in it. We make our own armies, campaigns and fluff etc. Keeps it diverse and changing.

Except when they let major campaigns affect the plot (Armageddon was one after all), and then the one time Chaos Wins they retcon it so hard the button cracked, plenty of chaos players want the plot to move on because the only reason they keep the 'setting' is to please Imperium players.

It's not just "to please the Imperium players" because frankly the 13th Black Crusade ended in such a way that the Imperium was hosed. That doesn't just annoy the players, it kills the entire Imperium as a playable faction without a lot of dues-ex-machina to explain how the Imperium could still be a viable faction. In the end it'd end up being considered cheap and lazy and no one would be happy.

..Or as I mentioned in another post.

Or they could discover a different means at last, Harliquins allow them partial use of the webway, or a grand age of darkness overcomes the Imperium, but the scattered factions scavenge and continue to fight on...

It's not like: They took Terra, everyone is dead 100%!

There are millions of planets in the Imperiums Care, not everything is based from Terra itself, I doubt the Imperium would fully die out and begin doing new things to survive.

It's cheap and lazy because there are plenty of ways without a full 'deus ex machina' to fulfill it, and to keep status quo is the worst.

And yes, that first part is indeed to please the Imperium players, how is it not?

I think it'd be kind of neat if it turned out that Abaddon was not the Traitor King prophecized and that the Chaos Gods were just leading him along, letting him sally forth 13 times, paving the road for the true traitor king. So Abaddon dies and all the aspiring chaos warlords go at each others throats for the throne.

Then again, I seem incapable of sympathizing or finding anything cool with anyone who has a topknot. So failing the above, Abaddon gets a makeover. I dunno, some guardsman gets off a lucky shot which takes off his topknot, singes his scalp, and destroys all his hair follicles. Just get rid of the topknot.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Glaiceana wrote:
They kind of leave it open and up to us to continue the story lol, like Azreal said, its a setting, and we play in it. We make our own armies, campaigns and fluff etc. Keeps it diverse and changing.

Except when they let major campaigns affect the plot (Armageddon was one after all), and then the one time Chaos Wins they retcon it so hard the button cracked, plenty of chaos players want the plot to move on because the only reason they keep the 'setting' is to please Imperium players.

It's not just "to please the Imperium players" because frankly the 13th Black Crusade ended in such a way that the Imperium was hosed. That doesn't just annoy the players, it kills the entire Imperium as a playable faction without a lot of dues-ex-machina to explain how the Imperium could still be a viable faction. In the end it'd end up being considered cheap and lazy and no one would be happy.

..Or as I mentioned in another post.

Or they could discover a different means at last, Harliquins allow them partial use of the webway, or a grand age of darkness overcomes the Imperium, but the scattered factions scavenge and continue to fight on...

It's not like: They took Terra, everyone is dead 100%!

There are millions of planets in the Imperiums Care, not everything is based from Terra itself, I doubt the Imperium would fully die out and begin doing new things to survive.

It's cheap and lazy because there are plenty of ways without a full 'deus ex machina' to fulfill it, and to keep status quo is the worst.

And yes, that first part is indeed to please the Imperium players, how is it not?

So an unsatisfactory asspull to keep the status quo while not changing anything about the game then? If the story movement doesn't change things what's the point?

What about the star child?

 Tod wrote:
What about the star child?

You mean that thing that seems to have vanished from the background a few editions ago? I like it as an idea (as the idea of the Emperor basically becoming a god of humanity's hope and faith is kind of entertaining) but I don't know how well GW could pull that one off. Plus it doesn't fix the whole Warp issue as the Emperor fighting Chaos in the Warp would just make it all worse for travel.


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Honestly about the only thing I could see working (even if it's only a little) is the Emperor dies, his soul gains a new form and we launch another massive crusade to reclaim the galaxy, this time without the Marines and the Emperor being less secretive about the Daemon thing since that didn't work last time.

And the whole Imperium becomes a more advanced and thriving civilization and then we're all playing 30k....minus the Primarchs and with every Imperial army fielding the Emperor, because why not?

I suppose the last time they advanced the story was when all the Squats got eaten by Tyrannids.

Speaking as a Sisters player I'd rather things stay as they are since they'd probably be next on the menu. Or Ward would write that they all got killed by the Grey Knights and that warp spawn Draigo.

Or Draigo on his own, more likely.

 ashcroft wrote:
I suppose the last time they advanced the story was when all the Squats got eaten by Tyrannids.

Speaking as a Sisters player I'd rather things stay as they are since they'd probably be next on the menu. Or Ward would write that they all got killed by the Grey Knights and that warp spawn Draigo.

Or Draigo on his own, more likely.

I don't think even Draigo could kill the Greater Daemon Celestine though! I mean she had a nuke dropped on her and is still around!

I used to make jokes about her not coming back for turn on end (or flat out not coming back at all that game) by saying she "was having tea time with the Emperor".

There are millions of planets in the Imperiums Care, not everything is based from Terra itself, I doubt the Imperium would fully die out and begin doing new things to survive.

Without Terra, no Astronomicon. Without the Astronomicon, inter-stellar travel becomes very haphazard.

All those Hive Worlds would starve. Those that are threatened by Xenos encroachment would receive no support from the Imperial Navy, and would thus fall.

All those Agri Worlds threatened by Xenos would also fall, for the very same reason.

Ultramar might be able to maintain its borders, though it, too, would stagnate and regress, as its many worlds would find travel and trade between them extremely risky, at best.

The entire Western half of the Imperium would be lost, however. Also, as the Forge Worlds fall silent, unable to produce or ship goods due to the sudden loss of trade, the various aspects the Imperium depends on the Tech Priesthood for (which is all of it) would start to fall apart. As time goes on, there's no one left to train the next generation of Tech-Marines, and so the armories of the Space Marines begin to fall apart, as no one can repair their Power Armor or Bolters or vehicles... and in those cases where the knowledge is maintained, the supplies may not be. A sheet of beaten iron is a poor substitute for ceramite and adamantium.

Man, if you were the High Lords of Terra, and the Emperor dies and actually comes back, wouldn't you feel dumb? Like, "Oh hey these last 10,000 years of stagnation, xenophobia, and cultism was for nothing??" LOL I honestly think that the Emperor would be HORRIFIED at what the Imperium has become.

Also, I don't think that the Imperium would even know what to do if the Emperor did return? They would probably accuse him of Heresy. There would definitely be a struggle for power as those smarmy High Lords would be apprehensive to return power to one man without gak-loads of poof of his persona. War would certainly ensue. I imagine that many Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes would have issues believing that the Emperor has returned, and chapters would be split on loyalty. More war. In the end I think Humanity would nearly tear itself apart. That's assuming that they even survive after the Astronomicon dims because of Empy's "death."

It comes down to advancing the story creating too many fluff issues that I don't think GW really cares to address. The current story is a backdrop for which I believe GW intends for you to forge a narrative. Create your own story. These are battles of the end times kind of stuff.

And little 12 year old boys who cannot even use marginal punctuation are exactly the type of brats I expect to say "I don't even support my country."