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I see it as complete bull its just stale and I understand people have opinions but just settle those everlasting conflicts (im talking to you cadia just go get virus bomed) and will the Emporer just die its just irritating when they go back when they can go into the future and why do they keep making fluff on what seems the same few armys' when they could go into regiments and chapters more how I see it as they keep scraping the bottom of the barrel when their is a full barrel next to the empty barrel whats your thoughts?

hey! this topic again!

Please use some formatting and punctuation dude.

On topic... I agree somewhat.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/587395.page

Short answer: because the setting is about Humanity's end and how it basically goes down swinging. Moving it one basically shoots that setting in the foot and removes all Imperial factions from the game (no more Warp travel if the Emperor kicks the bucket) unless GW pulls one out of their backside to somehow keep it going (say, they plug the Swarmlord into the Golden Throne? ).

Basically it doesn't move because it can't move without wrecking the setting.

What would happen if the story moved on?

Either Cadia will fall or the 13th Black Crusade will end in a Chaos defeat. The former will remove the poster-world of the Astr- Imperial Guard while the latter will piss off Chaos players.

Terra will be attacked by Tyranids which will either destroy the IoM or defeat the Tyranids. The former will remove the "main" faction of 40k and the latter will piss off Tyranid players.

Basically, GW has written themselves into a corner where the Imperium will face either certain doom or they will upset portions of the fanbase. That is why we are stuck at this point in time.

It's a setting, not a story.

Nothing more involved than that.

I have a little bit of a different take on it.

I am not sure if it is an unwillingness by GW to advance the story, but moreso the effect it will have on the "feel" of the armies. The IoM is huge, but what would happen if the story advanced to where they are weakened like the Eldar or wiped out? The whole feel of the army would change. That alone might sway people to stop 40k altogether. Some gamers are protective of how a character or faction is and advancing the story could have an undesirable result.

Just my $0.02. :-)

It'd be more interesting if Chaos did win, Tyranids did attack earth, and then the Emperor woke the hell up and started a 2nd Crusade , against Chaos and Xenos.

Then having Earth Destroyed by the Tyranids he retreats to Mars, and then the Primarchs who are still left come back to life in the last desperate struggle to fight the Tyranids and Chaos.

Just be more interesting.

Hollismasin, yes and since Chaos and Tyranids attacked Terra at the same time they would go into war while they are focused on Terra Mars assembles all regiments and chapters on Mars and nominate a new emporer and purge Terra so Chaos and Tyranids are followed and hold off and it goes back to normal kind of. sorry for punctuation

Puscifer wrote:
Please use some formatting and punctuation dude.

To be fair, he does say he is only 12. Although I am only 2 years older, not a native English speaker and I can spell and punctuate with highly punctual accuracy
So little excuse indeed. Try to use some commas and use full stops when you finish a sentence, it will make your posts a lot easier to understand. It takes some time to get check and get used to, but trust me, it is worth the effort. Eventually it will just go automatic.

To be honest, I would love to see what happens if the setting were to advance, but it would also piss a lot of people off I guess. Settings are not really supposed to change.
Tzeentch is unhappy

Iron_Captain you must understand im American I do not only speak but, write American.

lilgammer123 wrote:
Iron_Captain you must understand im American I do not only speak but, write American.

That's not an excuse. You're making the rest of us from the US look bad when you claim that as a "reason" to be lazy in your writing.

True, but I dont like my country but I do live here.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

lilgammer123 wrote:
Iron_Captain you must understand im American I do not only speak but, write American.

That's not an excuse. You're making the rest of us from the US look bad when you claim that as a "reason" to be lazy in your writing.

Have a +1 for that.


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lilgammer123 wrote:
True, but I dont like my country but I do live here.

What has that got to do with poor punctuation?

Please lilgammer123, despite misspelling "gamer", it would be nice if you didn't give small IL farming community school systems a bad name. District 200 deserves better.

I think you should check out some of the BL stuff (the Ragnar books, for example... they should appeal well to a 12 year old's mindset). Also, the Horus Heresy stuff might appeal to you too. Though I'd wait until high school on that. I've got a few 13 yo and 14 yo gamers in my club. They too want to know "the end" of the story. The point kind of is that humanity is balanced on the knife edge of distinction, yet is celebrating its proliferation and domination of the galaxy. Stagnation is the code and creed of the Imperium. Maybe you should try the Tau? They have a much more dynamic and "moving forward" feel to them, yet play in a roughly similar manner to your IG (not to mention that they'd ally well).

Why won't Blizzard advance the Warcraft story?!?!?

lilgammer123 wrote:
I see it as complete bull its just stale and I understand people have opinions but just settle those everlasting conflicts (im talking to you cadia just go get virus bomed) and will the Emporer just die its just irritating when they go back when they can go into the future and why do they keep making fluff on what seems the same few armys' when they could go into regiments and chapters more how I see it as they keep scraping the bottom of the barrel when their is a full barrel next to the empty barrel whats your thoughts?

Here is how the story goes on:
Chaos wins, Imperium is defeated and anihilated, please stop playing all Space Marine and Imperial Guard armies. Thanks!

lilgammer123 wrote:
I see it as complete bull its just stale and I understand people have opinions but just settle those everlasting conflicts (im talking to you cadia just go get virus bomed) and will the Emporer just die its just irritating when they go back when they can go into the future and why do they keep making fluff on what seems the same few armys' when they could go into regiments and chapters more how I see it as they keep scraping the bottom of the barrel when their is a full barrel next to the empty barrel whats your thoughts?

Because GW treats the fluff as little more than an advertisement for the models and thus doesn't actually care enough to make a cohesive story rather than a mess of "anyone's interpretation is as valid as anyone else's" nuttery.

I don't see why GW can't skip ahead a few thousand years and market it as an entirely different setting, purely there to tell a linear story, much the Horus Heresy. It'll be great, they can call it Warhammer: Revelations or something stupid like that.

"In the grim darkness of the 46th millennium, war never changes."

There's the endless series of over-priced novels.
The slightly new game system (again, much like the Horus Heresy).
All new Forgeworld models of the factions you know and love to reflect how they've slightly changed over the years.
Tyranids made it to Terra, but when they ate Ole Empy, he pulled a Neo and blew up the entire Hive Mind.
The unified Necron dynasty has taken over much of Imperial space and is apothyosis-ing the scattered Imperial worlds.
Space Marines are waging gorilla warfare against the expanding Chaos and Necron forces, (they're much more rambo-esque now.)
The remaining Astra Millitarums, Eldar and Tau have formed the "Good Guy Alliance". They aren't doing very well. (very grimdark)
Chaos figured out how to convert Orks, so now they're spiky.

The possibilities (for profit) are endless.

 xttz wrote:
Why won't Blizzard advance the Warcraft story?!?!?

They do.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Short answer: because the setting is about Humanity's end and how it basically goes down swinging. Moving it one basically shoots that setting in the foot and removes all Imperial factions from the game (no more Warp travel if the Emperor kicks the bucket) unless GW pulls one out of their backside to somehow keep it going (say, they plug the Swarmlord into the Golden Throne? ).

Basically it doesn't move because it can't move without wrecking the setting.

Or they could discover a different means at last, Harliquins allow them partial use of the webway, or a grand age of darkness overcomes the Imperium, but the scattered factions scavenge and continue to fight on...

It's not like: They took Terra, everyone is dead 100%!

Edit: As blacknair said above me.

Hollismason wrote:
It'd be more interesting if Chaos did win, Tyranids did attack earth, and then the Emperor woke the hell up and started a 2nd Crusade , against Chaos and Xenos.

Then having Earth Destroyed by the Tyranids he retreats to Mars, and then the Primarchs who are still left come back to life in the last desperate struggle to fight the Tyranids and Chaos.

Just be more interesting.

This. Oh so this. This would make 40K fresh and exciting. I guess there is no right or wrong answer. It's all personal taste. Some like the story to stay the same forever, while others would like the story to advance.

Personally for me, I would like a changing story line. Want a static 40K timeline, that I guess FW would be a good fit. After all they are doing 30K which is basically a static timeline that can't change.

I guess where GW made the mistake of is making the timeline 39 999 so if it went into 40 000 it would be the 401 century instead of the 400th century. So for what ever reason a lot of people can't handle or grasp a 401 instead of a 400.

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lilgammer123 wrote:
Iron_Captain you must understand im American I do not only speak but, write American.

Still no excuse buddy. The language on this forum is supposed to be English. Not "American". Ya takzhye nye pishu zdyes' po-russkiy. Ook niet in het nederlands. We should all use proper English with proper grammar, so that we can all understand each other.
English is already hard enough to understand without punctuation and lots grammar mistakes. Your grammar really does not need to be perfect, but I am sure you can do bettter than that. Or don't they teach English grammar in American schools?
I really don't want to be some mean grammar nazi, but it will really help you. People will understand you better and respond more seriously to what you say.
Also, at the mention of grammar nazis, I really just can't resist posting:

lilgammer123 wrote:
Hollismasin, yes and since Chaos and Tyranids attacked Terra at the same time they would go into war while they are focused on Terra Mars assembles all regiments and chapters on Mars and nominate a new emporer and purge Terra so Chaos and Tyranids are followed and hold off and it goes back to normal kind of. sorry for punctuation

You don't just nominate a new Emperor, there is no Imperium without him.

lilgammer123 wrote:
True, but I dont like my country but I do live here.

The 12 year old rebel!

Where's that "Watch out! We've got a ____ here!" meme?

Anyway, I don't expect a 12 year old to get it, but 40k is a setting. Everything in 40k is happening with the hands of the nuclear clock are 1 second from midnight.

That's the whole point. It's really not that hard of a concept.

I have ideas on how 40K can move on while keeping the game grim dark and doesn't lose the fluff. Also help keep GW making money.

I would start off with an EPIC 13th black crusade. Chaos (Abbadon) has finally plan forward with his ultimate goal and is invading terra! This should be run by GW as a year long event with loads of compendium books for fulff and game modes.

GW can benefit finacially by selling tons of Chaos models and SM models. sell books, get veteran whom have quit GW another gateway drug to dive back into 40K.

At the end of the 13th black crusade, here's what happens.

the Closing of 40K! A new name and timeframe will be indroduced after the 13th black crusade
Abbadon dies! but Chaos will live on through another leader.
We finally knows the role of Cypher!
Due to the dire situation of the events, some of the primarch returns! (least those we can confirm still living)
The Emperor Returns! (maybe finally get to die on the throne, but confirm reborn somewhere else, weak as the primarch in their infant forms, quest set out to find him?)
the astramonmicaion is diminished without the emperor? the mechanicam decided to start 'fixing' it by reopening things from the dark age of technology. Thus opening a new wave of new models for GW to build!

Now that the campaign is complete GW now moves on to the 42nd millenium! Here's what GW can do.

New HQ for all fractions, all the old one died after 2k years. GW is now free to make all new plastic HQ fractions at $35CAD each! They can retire their finacase/metal old models and GW fans rejoice their old models now have 'collector' status.
GW can justifly making new MK9 armor, new models with the mechnicam decided to start innovating again!
The world is still grim dark after the 13th black crusade, Orks, tyranids, dark elder threats are looming to terra as never seen before!
A new leader is there to lead the imperium of mankind! A primarch? a few primarch? the theme goes from grim dark to grim dark and slowing reclaiming imperial lands taken by Chaos from the 13th black crusade, essentially meaning nothing as changed.

The general benifits of such changes.
GW can be creative again, the Imperial Knights seems like a shoehorned fluff piece, by moving to 42K and mechaniam allow to create again loads of new material can be added.
A great solution for GW to get rid of the old stock of metal model without people whining, especially for Metal SM HQ models, GW can create new plastic HQ models and don't have to worry about the old metal/finecast anymore.
We all saw what 30K rules has bought for FW and GW finicially. It cements the idea a lot of people still play warhammer 40k, with fresh rules and fluff there is money to be made. By switching to 42K with new rules and fluff it might sway a lot of GW haters back to buying, just as 30K did for GW.
The rules can fundimentally chage for 42K, you can have skrimash games, army game, apoc games, mission game. The designer have more say in game design with a fresh canvas. Perhaps a warmachine like game with the primarch as the warcaster? I'll this is open for discussion.
Black Library will have a field day writing about the 42K.
I guess the 42K setting will keep GW busy for at least another 10years with fresh stuff.



Would this kind of setting appeal to anyone?

They kind of leave it open and up to us to continue the story lol, like Azreal said, its a setting, and we play in it. We make our own armies, campaigns and fluff etc. Keeps it diverse and changing.

 Glaiceana wrote:
They kind of leave it open and up to us to continue the story lol, like Azreal said, its a setting, and we play in it. We make our own armies, campaigns and fluff etc. Keeps it diverse and changing.

Except when they let major campaigns affect the plot (Armageddon was one after all), and then the one time Chaos Wins they retcon it so hard the button cracked, plenty of chaos players want the plot to move on because the only reason they keep the 'setting' is to please Imperium players.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Glaiceana wrote:
They kind of leave it open and up to us to continue the story lol, like Azreal said, its a setting, and we play in it. We make our own armies, campaigns and fluff etc. Keeps it diverse and changing.

Except when they let major campaigns affect the plot (Armageddon was one after all), and then the one time Chaos Wins they retcon it so hard the button cracked, plenty of chaos players want the plot to move on because the only reason they keep the 'setting' is to please Imperium players.

It's not just "to please the Imperium players" because frankly the 13th Black Crusade ended in such a way that the Imperium was hosed. That doesn't just annoy the players, it kills the entire Imperium as a playable faction without a lot of dues-ex-machina to explain how the Imperium could still be a viable faction. In the end it'd end up being considered cheap and lazy and no one would be happy.