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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/08 21:28:45
Subject: Militarum temptus force organization question
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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CthuluIsSpy wrote: ClockworkZion wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote: Ghaz wrote:Stormtroopers have never been available as platoons AFAIK. Why would they change that now?
In the White Dwarf they said that ST platoons would be a thing. It did not specify in which book though.
And said platoons are for taking in C: IG and the will exist natively in C: AM.
Ah did it? I must have missed that part.
WD rules for the new Scion units for use in C: IG have them in platoons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/08 21:30:14
Subject: Militarum temptus force organization question
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:Ah, well that makes sense then.
Shouldn't the foots loggers be in the MT book though, as they are meant to be deployed en masse in that case?
That's actually an interesting question. Most of the deployments talked about in the book though are more "specialist" deployments, with small(relatively) numbers of Scions being deployed as strategic elements--many times alongside Astartes forces. In some instances they are mentioned as actually sabotaging defenses before an Astartes strike occurs.
The 9th Iotan Gorgonnes are actually mentioned as an "unusual regiment" as well that frequently fight wars alongside the warriors of the Adepta Sororitas(specifically: Order of the Glowing Chalice, many of whom originate from the same Schola Progenium facility on Vedill I).
There's also the 86th Deltic Dragons, a regiment which has official sanction to go to war alongside the Fire Warriors and battlesuits of the Kel'shan Sept. They constantly alter their regimental signifier patterns just to mess with the Water Caste/Ethereals that accompany the Kel'Shan Sept...which amuses me. The Tempestor Prime is forbidden to do anything outside of directing battlefield orders and relaying status updates to the Tau Commander Shas'O Shi'Y'he as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/09 12:53:07
Subject: Militarum temptus force organization question
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Ship's Officer
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So I'm still curious as to the original question in this thread: If no FOC is given in the Stormtrooper's book, are there actually any rules written for how to put together a detachment? Are we to assume that it's just the "normal" 1 HQ/2 Troops? Every book that's been released since at least 5th edition has had a page with a FOC and/or an explanation for how to put together the units into a detachment/army. I'm somewhat confused as to why this would be left out given how different many of the recent releases have been (with regard to force inclusion). Anyone with the book have an answer to this?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/10 07:28:28
Subject: Militarum temptus force organization question
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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On page 109 of the BRB, it details the FOC. Specifically, it says that the standard 1 HQ 2 Troops etc. is used for the Eternal War missions listed in the BRB. So FOC is based on what missions you are doing, not on what codex you are using. This is also most likely the reason that codex nowadays don't have FOC in them anymore.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/10 14:33:49
Subject: Militarum temptus force organization question
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Ship's Officer
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Leonus wrote:This is also most likely the reason that codex nowadays don't have FOC in them anymore.
But that's not true. Every book released as a codex has had at the very least a short paragraph directing you to the BRB FOC if it didn't already have one included in the book. The MT codex is the first codex without anything explaining how the army is constructed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/11 02:24:53
Subject: Militarum temptus force organization question
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Irked Necron Immortal
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Xca|iber wrote: Leonus wrote:This is also most likely the reason that codex nowadays don't have FOC in them anymore.
But that's not true. Every book released as a codex has had at the very least a short paragraph directing you to the BRB FOC if it didn't already have one included in the book. The MT codex is the first codex without anything explaining how the army is constructed.
(I'm assuming that Xcaliber's statement is true, if it is not then please ignore my post) Not wanting to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but this does make sense if you believe the most recent rumors regarding the potential 7th edition. In that there will no longer be a force organization chart but rather will be done by percentages, and it is not unheard of for GW to make the codexes that are closest to the launch of a new edition more compatible with it ala Necrons and Grey Knights.
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Everything I say, barring quotes and researched information, is my personal opinion. Not fact.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/11 03:32:29
Subject: Militarum temptus force organization question
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Grovelin' Grot Rigger
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"Army List Entries
An Army List Entry provides all the relevant information to field a single unit in games of Warhammer 40,000, including it's points value and Battlefield Role. The unit can be used as part of any Militarum Tempestus DETACHMENT."
It's stupid they left out the chart but i think it's safe to say that as per the BRB you are required to have a primary detachment with a compulsory 1 HQ, 2 Troops and all the optional slots which a primary detachment from Militarum Tempestus would fall under. Maybe because they only have HQ, Troops and Fast Attack GW didn't feel the need to include the entire Force Org Chart...?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/11 04:18:35
Subject: Militarum temptus force organization question
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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As far as I know, the actual chart is not included in any of the new codex, only the mention of looking at the BRB. In this way it is obvious that your required Force Organization is based on the type of game you are playing, be it kill teams, some sort of custom shenanigans, or the standard Eternal War missions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/11 17:26:14
Subject: Militarum temptus force organization question
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Ship's Officer
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Kilgore Trout 420 wrote:"Army List Entries
An Army List Entry provides all the relevant information to field a single unit in games of Warhammer 40,000, including it's points value and Battlefield Role. The unit can be used as part of any Militarum Tempestus DETACHMENT."
It's stupid they left out the chart but i think it's safe to say that as per the BRB you are required to have a primary detachment with a compulsory 1 HQ, 2 Troops and all the optional slots which a primary detachment from Militarum Tempestus would fall under. Maybe because they only have HQ, Troops and Fast Attack GW didn't feel the need to include the entire Force Org Chart...?
Looks like you're right. At least, if that's the only line in the book I suppose we have to assume that is what they mean. Stupidly vague, but possibly relevant to the way future armies will be put together.
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