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So me and a friend were looking at the new codex for militarism temptus and we can find anything about what you need to take to field them.
It says that they are used like allies like the inquisition but we can't find what you need to take to field them apart from taking a formation. We came to the conclusion that it must be like normal force organization looking to see what everyone else thinks?

They are a stand alone army.

You just need 1 HQ and 2 Troops.

Yeah that's what we thought but can't see where it says this in the codex. Also it says in the codex that the normal troop option counts as a hq

maverick89 wrote:
Yeah that's what we thought but can't see where it says this in the codex. Also it says in the codex that the normal troop option counts as a hq

No, it does not.

You have the "Militarum Tempestus Command Squad"(pg.64) and the "Militarum Tempestus Scions"(pg. 65).
The Command Squad is an HQ option(a Commissar is the other HQ option for the book) and the Scions are the Troops choice.

If you look at pg 101 it say scions as hq choice

maverick89 wrote:
If you look at pg 101 it say scions as hq choice

The hardback is 72 pages. There is no page 101.
I assume you're referring to the summary page though.

The reason "Scions" is listed in there that the Militarum Tempestus Command Squad is a unit of 4 Tempestus Scions and 1 Tempestor Prime.

Pg 101 in the digital codex think that it's not needed to be put in the hq summary section as no other codex has normal troops in the summary. Also where in the codex does it have force organization what is needed to field them without taking a formation?

maverick89 wrote:
Pg 101 in the digital codex think that it's not needed to be put in the hq summary section as no other codex has normal troops in the summary.

Uh, yeah they do when there is a retinue option. Dark Angels has Deathwing Terminators, Ravenwing Black Knights, and Veterans all in the HQ section.

Also where in the codex does it have force organization what is needed to field them?

It doesn't, but it shouldn't have to. An "army" is a minimum of 1 HQ and 2 Troops and everything else is optional.

An "army" is a minimum of 1 HQ and 2 Troops and everything else is optional.

this is incorrect as the inquisition codex has no troops choice but you can still field an army

Yeah, well the Inquisition is the exception to the rules.

maverick89 wrote:

An "army" is a minimum of 1 HQ and 2 Troops and everything else is optional.

this is incorrect as the inquisition codex has no troops choice but you can still field an army

Inquisition, Imperial Knights and Legion of the Damned specifically alter the normal FOC.

Welcome to the wonderful, brave, new world of no force organization for these "Mini-Codex" armies. Your new "codex" has two unit selections- Militarum Tempestus Command Squad, and Militarum Tempestus Scions. You have two transport options- a Chimera or Taurox Prime. Have fun building a 2000 point army, as I have no idea how you can with 2 HQ and 6 Troops choices under the regular Force Organization chart out of the main rule book. Enjoy your "army"!

Edit- OK, after doing some rough calculations, if you maxed out all six troops squads and two HQ squads with all options and took eight Taurox vehicles with all the trimmings, then you'd have about a 2500 point army. /shrug

Yeah true had forgot about them. You can field a formation which is round the 1000 point mark and are able to field as many as you want. Also the codex contains a commissar and valks to take as well.

I do not have the copy of my book yet, however does this mean I could run a pure army of Stormtroopers without having to use any of the Formations?

As I'm lead to believe yes you can however the codex doesn't give a force organisation chart to back this up. On this note other posters have said it would follow normal chart make up ie hq plus two troops

maverick89 wrote:
As I'm lead to believe yes you can however the codex doesn't give a force organisation chart to back this up. On this note other posters have said it would follow normal chart make up ie hq plus two troops

In the overview of the formations it states you don't have to take them.

On a related note, does it say how allies works? I could take a scion command squad for HQ, and 2 stormtrooper platoons? so 1 command squad and 1-3 squads for each slot?

are they intended to be run only as an allied deta hment or can you use them as a primary? seems like they can be either, but this would make a real limited primary. i understand the included formation datasheetsto be outside the detachments, and unlimited in number you can take.


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it gives not force org chart. possible that you can take them on a unit by unit basis (excepting the Formations datasheets as previously mentioned) inside a primary and/or s3condary detachment, using available slots from those FOCs?

General Hobbs wrote:

On a related note, does it say how allies works? I could take a scion command squad for HQ, and 2 stormtrooper platoons? so 1 command squad and 1-3 squads for each slot?

The Militarum Tempestus book does not contain Scion Platoons, only squads.
Apparently only the Astra Militarum book will have Platoons.

As a trade-off though, in the MT book the Scion Squads are Troops not Elites.

So, I can run them as allies? 1HQ + 1Troop?

 Kanluwen wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:

On a related note, does it say how allies works? I could take a scion command squad for HQ, and 2 stormtrooper platoons? so 1 command squad and 1-3 squads for each slot?

The Militarum Tempestus book does not contain Scion Platoons, only squads.
Apparently only the Astra Militarum book will have Platoons.

As a trade-off though, in the MT book the Scion Squads are Troops not Elites.

Thanks for that....saved me 50 bucks

 Kanluwen wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:

On a related note, does it say how allies works? I could take a scion command squad for HQ, and 2 stormtrooper platoons? so 1 command squad and 1-3 squads for each slot?

The Militarum Tempestus book does not contain Scion Platoons, only squads.
Apparently only the Astra Militarum book will have Platoons.

As a trade-off though, in the MT book the Scion Squads are Troops not Elites.

Well, that's backwards. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:

On a related note, does it say how allies works? I could take a scion command squad for HQ, and 2 stormtrooper platoons? so 1 command squad and 1-3 squads for each slot?

The Militarum Tempestus book does not contain Scion Platoons, only squads.
Apparently only the Astra Militarum book will have Platoons.

As a trade-off though, in the MT book the Scion Squads are Troops not Elites.

Well, that's backwards. Shouldn't be the other way around?

It is, and they lost my money....if I could have allied in stormtrooper platoons as troops, I'd have slapped down 50 bucks and giggled all the way home.

Stormtroopers have never been available as platoons AFAIK. Why would they change that now?

 Ghaz wrote:
Stormtroopers have never been available as platoons AFAIK. Why would they change that now?

In the White Dwarf they said that ST platoons would be a thing. It did not specify in which book though.

ST platoons were a thing in a WD back when 2nd ed was a thing. 1997. It was just after I left school and started college.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:

On a related note, does it say how allies works? I could take a scion command squad for HQ, and 2 stormtrooper platoons? so 1 command squad and 1-3 squads for each slot?

The Militarum Tempestus book does not contain Scion Platoons, only squads.
Apparently only the Astra Militarum book will have Platoons.

As a trade-off though, in the MT book the Scion Squads are Troops not Elites.

Well, that's backwards. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

*shrug*

I think that it's supposed to be the difference between a "Special Forces" styled Scion(the Militarum Tempestus book) force and a "Footslogging Grunts" styled Scion force.
The Scions in their special book get to only take Taurox Primes, while the Scion Platoons can take Chimeras.
The Scions in their special book have Command Squads that get to give their "Clarion Vox-Net" special rule to any Scion unit within 18" of the Tempestor Prime while according to White Dwarf, the "Clarion Vox-Net" special rule only applies to Scion units within 18" that are in the same platoon.

Additionally the Militarum Tempestus book has 6 unique orders that, purportedly, are not in the Astra Militarum book. Their Taurox Primes also get several unique items(at least it's not listed in the White Dwarf article) in the form of "Relic Plating"(grants the vehicle Adamantium Will special rule), "Augur Array"(attempting to bring a unit on from reserve using Deep Strike within 6" of a vehicle with the augur array means that the unit does not scatter), "Recovery Gear"(if immobilised, then in subsequent turns it can attempt to repair itself by rolling a D6 at the end of the Movement phase. A roll of 6 means that the vehicle is no longer Immobilised but it does not return lost Hull Points), and "Fire Barrels"(first time an enemy unit attempts to charge a vehicle with the fire barrels the charging unit suffers D6 S4 AP5 hits that are randomly allocated).

Ah, well that makes sense then.

Shouldn't the foots loggers be in the MT book though, as they are meant to be deployed en masse in that case?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Stormtroopers have never been available as platoons AFAIK. Why would they change that now?

In the White Dwarf they said that ST platoons would be a thing. It did not specify in which book though.

And said platoons are for taking in C:IG and the will exist natively in C:AM.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Stormtroopers have never been available as platoons AFAIK. Why would they change that now?

In the White Dwarf they said that ST platoons would be a thing. It did not specify in which book though.

And said platoons are for taking in C:IG and the will exist natively in C:AM.

Ah did it? I must have missed that part.