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2014/04/18 18:18:01
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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It was 2k each knight was 375 i believe and warhound 500
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2014/04/18 18:20:45
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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zilka86 wrote:It was 2k each knight was 375 i believe and warhound 500
Warhounds are 720, not 500.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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2014/04/18 18:22:59
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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I knew something sounded off there. Without my Apoc book immediately handy I couldn't pin it down though.
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2014/04/18 18:24:39
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Fixture of Dakka
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 ClockworkZion wrote:
I knew something sounded off there. Without my Apoc book immediately handy I couldn't pin it down though.
This isn't the first time Zilka's got something like this wrong, which is why I seriously doubt just about everything he says.
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 Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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2014/04/18 18:26:44
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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warhounds are a bit more than that... still close enough... i pay about that for a thunderhawk.... and if knights are 400 ish thats 2500k`ish points with NOTHING else...
did you even check his list? is it even legal? and again, in 2 threads its been said, get your 5th ed models specced up for 6th ed... in fact i think its been said on about 7 occasions now...
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CSM   20,000 Pts  
Daemons 4,000 (ish)
WoC over 10,000
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2014/04/18 18:28:40
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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 ausYenLoWang wrote: warhounds are a bit more than that... still close enough... i pay about that for a thunderhawk.... and if knights are 400 ish thats 2500k`ish points with NOTHING else... did you even check his list? is it even legal? and again, in 2 threads its been said, get your 5th ed models specced up for 6th ed... in fact i think its been said on about 7 occasions now...
Nope, 720 points. Double-checked it. It used to be 750, but got a slight point drop in the new rules. Thunderhawk is 685 (plus options)
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2014/04/18 18:30:05
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2014/04/18 18:29:07
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Dakka Veteran
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I have know idea the cost of escalation units as i don't own the book and he had a army list he showed me that said it was 500 points how was i to know he was cheating me. Ok so can you run 9 lrbt and a banebland and 3vetsquads in chimres for 2000pt old dex not nee one
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2014/04/18 18:29:52
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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 Kain wrote: ClockworkZion wrote:
I knew something sounded off there. Without my Apoc book immediately handy I couldn't pin it down though.
This isn't the first time Zilka's got something like this wrong, which is why I seriously doubt just about everything he says.
In his defense he could be referencing what he was told (which means if this isn't the first time he's had this happen he needs to double check things on his own).
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2014/04/18 18:30:32
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Fixture of Dakka
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zilka86 wrote:I have know idea the cost of escalation units as i don't own the book and he had a army list he showed me that said it was 500 points how was i to know he was cheating me. Ok so can you run 9 lrbt and a banebland and 3vetsquads in chimres for 2000pt old dex not nee one
...This post is at "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?" levels of non-sequitur.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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2014/04/18 18:30:46
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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ausYenLoWang wrote:warhounds are a bit more than that... still close enough... i pay about that for a thunderhawk.... and if knights are 400 ish thats 2500k`ish points with NOTHING else...
did you even check his list? is it even legal? and again, in 2 threads its been said, get your 5th ed models specced up for 6th ed... in fact i think its been said on about 7 occasions now...
370-375 is right for the Knights depending on type so that math was right at least.
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2014/04/18 18:31:22
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Please try to double-check your posts before posting, I am really having trouble understanding them :/
Never, ever play against someone without a copy of the rules. Never.
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2014/04/18 18:31:32
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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 Happyjew wrote: ausYenLoWang wrote:
warhounds are a bit more than that... still close enough... i pay about that for a thunderhawk.... and if knights are 400 ish thats 2500k`ish points with NOTHING else...
did you even check his list? is it even legal? and again, in 2 threads its been said, get your 5th ed models specced up for 6th ed... in fact i think its been said on about 7 occasions now...
Nope, 720 points. Double-checked it. It used to be 750, but got a slight point drop in the new rules.
Thunderhawk is 685 (plus options)
hrmm ill need to look at my book but i accept your word for it i thought it was still 750. and yeah Thawk would get the bigger main gun  and possibly the bombs
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CSM 20,000 Pts
Daemons 4,000 (ish)
WoC over 10,000
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2014/04/18 18:32:42
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Dakka Veteran
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That's my problem i don't know how to update to new ed i have no idea what to get and such i don't want to dbe a flyer spam jerk bikes and drop pods arnt my cup of tea i use my rhinos but ther rubbish now
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2014/04/18 18:33:03
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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zilka86 wrote:I have know idea the cost of escalation units as i don't own the book and he had a army list he showed me that said it was 500 points how was i to know he was cheating me. Ok so can you run 9 lrbt and a banebland and 3vetsquads in chimres for 2000pt old dex not nee one
If this has happened before (and it sounds like it has) then you should be asking to see the rulebook, owning Escalation or not.
Not that Escalation allows anyone to take the Imperial Titans (Baneblade variants and Thunderhawks for the Imperium) on it's own anyways. FW released the list that allowed that and you still need the Apoc book to reference for it.
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2014/04/18 18:34:03
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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zilka86 wrote:I have know idea the cost of escalation units as i don't own the book and he had a army list he showed me that said it was 500 points how was i to know he was cheating me. Ok so can you run 9 lrbt and a banebland and 3vetsquads in chimres for 2000pt old dex not nee one
and you didnt look at his list and go mmmmmmmm thats fishy as.... can i see your rules please.... and a baneblade with a couple of options is up to 600 ish points..
stop being stooged by players in that playgroup, thats starting to seem to be a thing for them..
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CSM 20,000 Pts
Daemons 4,000 (ish)
WoC over 10,000
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2014/04/18 18:36:05
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Dakka Veteran
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So do i need to get my own escalation book so i can get the points on escalation units?
Because iam finding most escalation units only cost 300 to 600pts baneblade being the cheapest at 300
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2014/04/18 18:37:03
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Sigh.
Everyone who USES certain models MUST bring the rules. NOT his opponent. If you cannot show me the rules for a unit, you may not use it. It's simple as that.
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2014/04/18 18:38:11
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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zilka86 wrote:So do i need to get my own escalation book so i can get the points on escalation units?
Because iam finding most escalation units only cost 300 to 600pts baneblade being the cheapest at 300
Baneblades are not the cheapest. Banehammers are the cheapest and they are still more than 400 points.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2014/04/18 18:39:03
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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zilka86 wrote:So do i need to get my own escalation book so i can get the points on escalation units?
Because iam finding most escalation units only cost 300 to 600pts baneblade being the cheapest at 300
who said 300 for a baneblade?? 525+ options, usually id say another 100+ points....
make them bring their rules, or your gonna keep getting cheated and we can have this chat every week
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CSM 20,000 Pts
Daemons 4,000 (ish)
WoC over 10,000
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2014/04/18 18:39:57
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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zilka86 wrote:So do i need to get my own escalation book so i can get the points on escalation units?
Because iam finding most escalation units only cost 300 to 600pts baneblade being the cheapest at 300
Ideally your opponent needs to have the book handy (ALL of the rulebooks in this case as the Warhound is a FW edition whose rules are from Apoc), especially since there are extra rules about VP and a special Warlord Traits table you get access too if he brings a Lord of War.
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2014/04/18 18:44:02
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Cosmic Joe
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Zilka....is this the guy that said his entire SM army will be invalidated with the new Codex? And his run-on sentences have gotten about 5% better.
If you don't understand the armies you're going up against and don't even bother to check them out, of course you're going to lose.
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2014/04/18 18:44:59
Subject: Re:is casual 40k dead
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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If anything, Casual 40K is stronger then ever. The broken, idiotic and poorly written dataslates and expansions benefit casual players, who don't care about silly things like balance and consistency, and just want to have a good time forging narratives and snacking on beer and pretzels with their bros. "Can you use your knights in our game tonight? Sure brah, so long as you bring the beer!!111!11"
It's the people that care about balance and would like to play the game in a competitive manner who are getting screwed.
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2014/04/18 18:48:30
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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Casual 40k isn't dead. It's all that's left.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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2014/04/18 18:50:25
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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 azreal13 wrote:Casual 40k isn't dead. It's being looked after on the Rock by the Watchers.
Fixed that for you.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2014/04/18 18:50:31
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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Why is Jim abusing the magician?
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2014/04/18 18:52:00
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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Ha!
I admire your optimism. It is also, I guess, possibly hunting through the webway, slowly healing while in stasis or awaiting the completion of a scavenger hunt? 
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Ask me about
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2014/04/18 18:52:53
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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More likely it is with Russ. At the bar. Go past Cadia, turn left at the first junction within the Eye. Can't miss it.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2014/04/18 19:33:27
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Dakka Veteran
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I love casual games and am lucky enough to have a brother who plays, we want to beat each other of course but neither of us is going to build a deathstar anytime soon.
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2014/04/18 19:52:25
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Wraith
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Balanced rules support all forms of play better. No other game has to worry about "casual" play outside of "what's your point value" and go.
I SMH at these threads and the hoops we have to jump through to determine what's legal. As a person who travels a lot, "casual" play is different for every store in 40k. It's like this for no other game.
"Casual" play at my first store was hard lists. Next store was kitten paws but the one 15 minutes further was hit 'em hard, again. So on, so forth.
If 40k had better rules this wouldn't be an issue or even a thread. That's the point I take from even having threads like these.
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2014/04/18 20:03:22
Subject: is casual 40k dead
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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No other game has to worry about "casual" play outside of "what's your point value" and go.
Haven't kept up with the many iterations of MTG, have you?
If by "casual" you mean "build a deck out of whatever cards you have laying around" rather than "gotta play using the current restricted tournament lists because otherwise forty-seven Black Lotuses show up and the world divides by Zero", then MTG falls apart into some horribly broken deck combos. Players actually have to agree on a "rule set" to follow to play MTG if they hope to maintain some kind of balance, which limits the age, era and type of decks they can use.
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