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Is causal fun non comp 40k dead all i see is riptidrs wirthknights ig knights and escalation units. its like a arms race now. I don't have that kind of money to go buy a whole army of ig knights our to get escalation units. last guy i played had a ig knight army with a war hound titan i said he spent over $1300 to build this army because it couldnt be beat.

Casual games are not dead.

Most of the guys I play with don't use Escalation, IK, Stronghold Assault, etc.

 Happyjew wrote:
Casual games are not dead.

Most of the guys I play with don't use Escalation, IK, Stronghold Assault, etc.

Casual isn't dead, but it can be hard to find depending on your local meta. I play casual, but I also play with a small group of friends and avoid the tournament scene entirely. You can find casual players, you just have to ask around. There are a few competative players who have casual lists as well as tourney lists, and I'm sure they'd love an excuse to play something other than triptide or seerstar.

Yes its dead.

sell all your stuff (to me) and walk away.

No need to post two threads about the same topic.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/590501.page#6740570

I think this is just about different enough.

I don't think casual play is dead I think the trick to finding those sort of games is all about negotiation. I am lucky to have a regular group of 4 players who have similar ideas of what constitutes a "fun" game so we cater our lists to ensure that we aren't just curb stomping one another. That negotiation is easier for us since we know each other outside of gaming and have something at stake in terms of not coming off as donkey-caves to one another. I would imagine pick-up games with strangers are more difficult to negotiate as you have to be very clear about what is and is not allowed (which could hurt feelings if your opponent refuses to play against your list or vise versa) and that is further complicated by the lack of accountability one has with strangers.

But really, a fun game has always been about negotiating. You have always had to agree on points totals as well as which special rules and units were going to be allowed, GW has just made that list of items to agree upon longer and more complicated to navigate. Which is a bit of a nightmare. Last year I met a new player and discussing the terms of our first few games felt awkward and a little like negotiating sex with a new partner. "Do you like this? What about that?" Thankfully as we continued to play and that new player became integrated into my larger gaming group the game negotiating became less stressful and cautious and more fun. The same applies for the sex.

Casual 40k is still an awesome game with tons of fun. If you have TFG / WAAC friends who always buy the latest, OP stuff and play complete cheese lists to crush their enemies, it's not the game you gotta blame, but the people you play with.

I played Necrons when they were utter trash and completely worthless and had tons of fun because I'm not going in expecting to win every match, I love my army and its fluff (the ACTUAL fluff, not the crap Matt Ward came up with).

You, for yourself, have to figure out what you want. Want to crush your enemies and win everytime? Play Tau / Eldar and faceroll everything, zero skill required.

Want to just have fun with the game and have a good time? Look for a gaming club in your area, settle down with them and enjoy fun 40k games.


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 reds8n wrote:
I think this is just about different enough.

Thanks anyway

You're playing against the wrong guys. "Casual" is plenty alive, there have always been and will always be those who dump money to try to get the best army.

zilka86 wrote:
Is causal fun non comp 40k dead all i see is riptidrs wirthknights ig knights and escalation units. its like a arms race now. I don't have that kind of money to go buy a whole army of ig knights our to get escalation units. last guy i played had a ig knight army with a war hound titan i said he spent over $1300 to build this army because it couldnt be beat.

Hello again mr "I have 2000 points in every army, except I only list five armies, and describe a competitive meta when your lists are very much non-competitive."

How are you today?

Casual lets me run 2 Tacs, a Dev, an ASM, and a captain all as full squads/weapons, and have a great time. In my meta, I can do that any time I want.

Out of About 30 people who play around here, there is really only one who causes problems in this regard.

In our meta, at least, casual is the default!

(Which is also the reason my third Serpent hasn't left the table it was assembled on, and the second hasn't been fielded probably all year)

All of the changes that have been going on really just do one thing (relevant this particular conversation), and that is that the game now allows you to play the game more in the way that you want to play the game.

If you're finding out that the people you're playing with are WAAC, it's not because they weren't WAAC before, it's that now their fetters have been broken off, and they can now expose their priorities for what they are, and likely always have been.

It's just easier now that you can use allies instead of codex hopping, and that you can now play titans in escalation, rather than having to beg your opponent to allow forgeworld and D weapons in.

On the plus side, though, it made playing the game as one wants easier for everyone, not just WAAC players.

In any case, if you don't get along well with the people you're playing with, then I'd recommend finding new people to play with, or find some kind of convincing series of arguments with regards to why that kind of play isn't the point of 40k...

 Ailaros wrote:
All of the changes that have been going on really just do one thing (relevant this particular conversation), and that is that the game now allows you to play the game more in the way that you want to play the game.

If you're finding out that the people you're playing with are WAAC, it's not because they weren't WAAC before, it's that now their fetters have been broken off, and they can now expose their priorities for what they are, and likely always have been.

It's just easier now that you can use allies instead of codex hopping, and that you can now play titans in escalation, rather than having to beg your opponent to allow forgeworld and D weapons in.

On the plus side, though, it made playing the game as one wants easier for everyone, not just WAAC players.

In any case, if you don't get along well with the people you're playing with, then I'd recommend finding new people to play with, or find some kind of convincing series of arguments with regards to why that kind of play isn't the point of 40k...

Ailaros, buddy.

This guy is a noted troll who's just resurfaced.

I wouldn't take anything he says at face value.

Especially when he made this thread within an hour of misinterpreting something Sigvatr said in a thread on how to kill Imperial Knights.

100% of the games I play (even Escalation games) are causal.

Does that mean I'm really dead? I've been wondering...

 jasper76 wrote:
100% of the games I play (even Escalation games) are causal.

Does that mean I'm really dead? I've been wondering...

Yes, you are a ghost.

Don't worry, I'm a trained pastafarian exorcist.

As long as you have a core group of guys and gals that like to play; then no it will never be dead.

Well, you need to forge a narrative by holding a pre-game conference with your opponent and map out your army lists and the results of each die roll.

See, that's much better than having balanced rules, isn't it?

 Kain wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
100% of the games I play (even Escalation games) are causal.

Does that mean I'm really dead? I've been wondering...

Yes, you are a ghost.

Don't worry, I'm a trained pastafarian exorcist.

So you've been blessed by the Noodly One's Noodly Appendage? Sweet.

Only by embracing his noodly appendage can one truly understand how ninjas and pirates created the universe..

 jasper76 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
100% of the games I play (even Escalation games) are causal.

Does that mean I'm really dead? I've been wondering...

Yes, you are a ghost.

Don't worry, I'm a trained pastafarian exorcist.

So you've been blessed by the Noodly One's Noodly Appendage? Sweet.

We will begin when I have cooked the sacred bowl of chicken noodle progresso soup to perfection.

"Casual" isn't dead. Any game not played in a competitive setting (e.g. a tournament) is automatically "casual" regardless of difficulty level.

Sounds like OP's local meta is full "arms race" mode though.

zilka86 wrote:
Is causal fun non comp 40k dead all i see is riptidrs wirthknights ig knights and escalation units. its like a arms race now. I don't have that kind of money to go buy a whole army of ig knights our to get escalation units. last guy i played had a ig knight army with a war hound titan i said he spent over $1300 to build this army because it couldnt be beat.

1300 is alot for a warhound and a knight... if legit those 2 are about 800 ish... how big a game were you playing that he still spent another 500$. i mean those 2 are pushing over 1k points on their own... (not sure on knights points)

All I do is casual. But I think the definition of "casual" differs per person.
My definition is: Don't bring obvious OP Spam armies that are made to only win tournament.
Granted, its not a very good definition because there's a lot of gray area, so it's kind of a case by case basis with the player being a huge determining factor.

A little communication before the game is a huge help. Is that ideal? Not really. Is it necessary for a fun game? Most of the time, yes.

When was 40K NOT an arms race?

Where I live I have all kinds of options, I've got a group of ~10 people (mostly old buds from high school) and we play at each other's houses, very casual gameplay. I can go to my local GW store for a semi-competitive game, and tourneys if I want full WAAC lists, but the whole spectrum is alive and well.

He had 4knight and a warhound titan

zilka86 wrote:
He had 4knight and a warhound titan

Not in a 2k point game he's not if he had literally anything else in his army.

Martel732 wrote:
When was 40K NOT an arms race?

Maybe during Rogue Trader when you had a GM involved.

MAYBE.


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zilka86 wrote:
He had 4knight and a warhound titan

What points level where you playing at where he could take that?

zilka86 wrote:
He had 4knight and a warhound titan

That army is 2200-2220 points, with no upgrades. How many points were you playing?