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 Wilytank wrote:
So all the new codexes will state which powers the psyker can't roll on now because a list of what he can roll on isn't obvious enough? Okay cool yo.

Please tell me you're being facetious because it seems rather simple to understand. Not only does the new rulebook overrule the outdated Codex info, but the "unless otherwise stated" line is obviously a plant for future exceptions to that rule. Heck, two of those exceptions even exist in the very next section when it states that Grey Knights have no access to malefic and Daemons have no access to sanctic. That's "otherwise stated", and I'll bet my hat that those won't be the only exceptions in the future to this rule. The rulebook just came out, they can easily print new codices or FAQs that add something like: "Grey Knight vehicles do NOT have access to Sanctic and are NOT actually living sorcerers."

Kyutaru wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
So all the new codexes will state which powers the psyker can't roll on now because a list of what he can roll on isn't obvious enough? Okay cool yo.

Please tell me you're being facetious because it seems rather simple to understand. Not only does the new rulebook overrule the outdated Codex info, but the "unless otherwise stated" line is obviously a plant for future exceptions to that rule. Heck, two of those exceptions even exist in the very next section when it states that Grey Knights have no access to malefic and Daemons have no access to sanctic. That's "otherwise stated", and I'll bet my hat that those won't be the only exceptions in the future to this rule. The rulebook just came out, they can easily print new codices or FAQs that add something like: "Grey Knight vehicles do NOT have access to Sanctic and are NOT actually living sorcerers."

the rule book never overrides the codex, no matter how new the codex is, or old.

its needing an faq to clarify who gets what. we can't make assumptions. 40k is a permissive rule set, not an assumption rule set.

Kyutaru wrote:
the new rulebook overrule the outdated Codex info

[citation needed]

 Wilytank wrote:
So all the new codexes will state which powers the psyker can't roll on now because a list of what he can roll on isn't obvious enough? Okay cool yo.

I doubt it. I suspect that in most cases the codexes will continue to just list the disciplines that the psyker has access to. I also suspect that in pretty much every case, that list will include Daemonology.

'Obvious enough' doesn't make a rule. If a rule says that a model can do something unless specifically stated otherwise, then that model can do that thing unless something specifically says otherwise. A list of other things that the model can do is not a statement that he can't do that first thing.


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Kyutaru wrote:
Not only does the new rulebook overrule the outdated Codex info,...

No it doesn't.

There is no conflict that woudl require one to over-ride another here. The codex lists the disciplines the psykers in that codex can use. The rulebook adds another, unless a codex entry specifically forbids it.





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 zachwho wrote:
they do have a specific rule, in their codex. it clearly states what power set the psycher is able to generate their powers from..

Can you point to a current codex that specifies that the psykers in that codex can not take Daemonology powers?

Because that's what is meant by 'unless stated otherwise'. In order to be stated otherwise, it has to actually be stated otherwise. Not being included in a list is not stating otherwise.

Theres a big bold black line giving you permission. You start the game with the GK book powers, and now you can choose to use the new Daemonology table instead...

I don't play GK, whats the issue here?

Further down it is even stated Psykers from Codex:Grey Knights can manifest Sanctic Powers as they would any other psychic power, but the cannot generate Malefic powers at all.

What rule breaking is going on here?

40k is a permissive rules set agree?

codex trumps rule book, agree?

as per the codex, noone can take demonology, as far as that goes even, the armies that don't have a codex granting rule book powers (looking at you gk) can't take rule book powers.

there is not a faq granting them those powers in 7th.

sucks to play gk, raw you're drawing off your dated old codex for powers.

The Psychic card pack tells you this information.

That's offish, right?

right?

 zachwho wrote:
codex trumps rule book, agree?

Where there is a conflict between the two, yes.

For example, if the rulebook says that all infantry models can run D6" in the shooting phase, and the Codex: Lummox says that a Lummox (type: infantry) can not run in the shooting phase, that is a conflict. In that case, the codex wins.

There is no such conflict here. The codex doesn't say that Psykers from that codex can't use Daemonology. It doesn't mention it at all. It just lists a bunch of other disciplines that they can select from. So the rulebook rule that says that all psykers can select Daemonology unless otherwise stated will apply to psykers from that Codex, because no rule in that Codex says otherwise.


And this:

as per the codex, noone can take demonology,

...is only true if you also posit that as per the codex, nobody can run.

as far as that goes even, the armies that don't have a codex granting rule book powers (looking at you gk) can't take rule book powers.

For the moment at least, there are still a bunch of FAQs available on the Black Library website that say otherwise, which mentions nothing about being specific to 6th edition.

Like Insaniaks argument here, none of the codices state that their psykers can't use Demonology and the rule book states "unless otherwise stated" all psykers can use Demonology

Might run unbound SW at 2000pt with rock-loads of rabid Rune Priest summoning boat-loads of Demons just because

i honestly see both sides of this argument, and its ridiculous.
we as a community shouldn't have to have these debates.
gw broke the game on purpose, so they can sell us 8th edition this fall, with a new starter box.

buy all the demons, landraiders, and Walkers you can!!! win games!!! 8th edition, boom, none of that is good anymore.

 zachwho wrote:
40k is a permissive rules set agree?

codex trumps rule book, agree?

as per the codex, noone can take demonology, as far as that goes even, the armies that don't have a codex granting rule book powers (looking at you gk) can't take rule book powers.

there is not a faq granting them those powers in 7th.

sucks to play gk, raw you're drawing off your dated old codex for powers.

So you're saying that supplements that grant additional powers to existing models don't actually grant those powers because the codex the models are from don't list the powers to begin with?

doesn't matter faqs are up.

Yeah, this one is a moot point now, so ... moving on.