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I could not find anywhere in the 7th edition rulebook where it lists which psychic disciplines you have access to.

Page 28 states "The relevant codex or Army List Entry will detail from which psychic disciplines a Psyker can generate his powers."

Then in the Psychic Powers deck is a quick reference chart that shows every faction but Ork's (and Tyranids) now have access to divination.

They have made mistakes in the quick reference section before, but would you play with the more permissive quick reference chart until FAQ's drop, or would you stick with the disciplines your codex states you have access to, and add Daemonology since the BRB states everyone (except tyranids has access).

Your codex will tell you what powers you have access to.

Fragile wrote:
Your codex will tell you what powers you have access to.

So Gk has no access to brb powers then, nor does SWs etc?

Until the FAQS go up. Same as sixth edition

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Until the FAQS go up. Same as sixth edition

The FAQs were already up at this point in 6th.

Yes, and?

Until you have a FAQ, you have no permission to take the new brb powers. So you can't.

age of codex vs brb newest edition overrides, until faq'd otherwise brb overirdes codex ifthere is a newer version of said rules in it such as what powers you can access. otherwise no one has access to deamonology

"yes and?"

Sorry I thought I was talking to someone who understood context and could comprehend a simple statement. Clearly it is not the 'same' as 6th edition as those FAQs dropped the same time as the rulebook. So 7th is different in that there is this period where many armies cannot use the brb powers.

using the term i hate RAI is clearly shown from the quick reference card/chart that all armies will have access until faq'd

Personally, I think that they made a mistake in the quick reference chart since thats not anywhere in the actual BRB.

The fact that they didnt remove the 6th Ed FAQ's tells me that Space Wolves etc have access to the same powers they had access to in the 6th edition FAQ, plus Sanctic and Malefic.

A codex does not need to state that it has access to Sanctic or Malefic because the BRB states "Unless otherwise Stated, all Psykers other than those belonging to the Tyranids faction can generate powers from the Daemonology discipline."

It then also goes on to specify who cannot access the new school. Daemons can not access Sanctic, and Grey knights can not access Malefic.

They made plenty of mistakes, like Banishment being Warp Charge 1 and Warp Charge 3 in two different places (cards and RB).

I'd say we're on our own until FAQ

Would it be against Dakka rules to post the quick reference chart that is in the psychic powers card set?

I doubt it. It's been posted before. But that doesn't answer the question. Because if it did that would mean everyone wih psychic powers in the GK codex could roll for abilities based on that chart.

This seems as good a place as any to ask this question. With everyone going on about how Daemons have broken 7th edition, and the Tzeentchian craziness of summoned heralds and horrors summoning more heralds and horrors, I have ask. Do Pink Horrors and Heralds even have access to Malefic powers? While the Psychic card deck shows that Daemons have access to Malefic, it doesn't specifically state which models get to use it. Just as Daemons have access to Biomancy, not every Daemon does. Heralds of Tzeentch only have access to Diviniation and Change, and Pink Horrors only have access to Change. And unless I am missing something (and please point me in the right direction if I am!) Codex trumps Rulebook, so at this moment we are in a no-man's land between FAQ's, where technically either every Daemon has access to Malefic or no Daemon does. I am only bringing this up because I wonder if the FAQ will only give Malefic powers to some models, thus curbing a lot of this dozens of Daemons summoning Daemons summoning Daemons nonsense lists that I see a lot of power gamers thinking of building.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Yes, and?

Until you have a FAQ, you have no permission to take the new brb powers. So you can't.

except the BRB explicitly states that GK can use sanctic powers, and that ALL pyskers beisides nids can use daemonology.

other trees... sigh yes, wait for FAQ

But part of the can use says "unless otherwise stated"
So it kinda goes around in a circle.
"You can use this unless it says otherwise...but it does say otherwise so.."
It's the same question I posted before if this is a blanket everyone gets including special characters (Cortez, typhus, be'lakor, Ahriman, fateweaver..?) which would be funny as hell as cookie cutter chaos sorcerer can do it but Ahriman couldn't?
Maybe they are just waiting to see all the stupid combos we come up with then faq them vs our game testing... Haha yeah right..

 easysauce wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Yes, and?

Until you have a FAQ, you have no permission to take the new brb powers. So you can't.

except the BRB explicitly states that GK can use sanctic powers, and that ALL pyskers beisides nids can use daemonology.

other trees... sigh yes, wait for FAQ

Well, if you want to start using RAW that way... it actually says they have access unless it says otherwise. And most of the codices *do* state 'otherwise', since the codex states precisely which psykers have access to which table, and none of them state Demonology...

 Pox Apostle wrote:
This seems as good a place as any to ask this question. With everyone going on about how Daemons have broken 7th edition, and the Tzeentchian craziness of summoned heralds and horrors summoning more heralds and horrors, I have ask. Do Pink Horrors and Heralds even have access to Malefic powers? While the Psychic card deck shows that Daemons have access to Malefic, it doesn't specifically state which models get to use it. Just as Daemons have access to Biomancy, not every Daemon does. Heralds of Tzeentch only have access to Diviniation and Change, and Pink Horrors only have access to Change. And unless I am missing something (and please point me in the right direction if I am!) Codex trumps Rulebook, so at this moment we are in a no-man's land between FAQ's, where technically either every Daemon has access to Malefic or no Daemon does. I am only bringing this up because I wonder if the FAQ will only give Malefic powers to some models, thus curbing a lot of this dozens of Daemons summoning Daemons summoning Daemons nonsense lists that I see a lot of power gamers thinking of building.

By this logic no one has access to any of the Daemonology powers, the BRB states all Psykers have access to Daemonology. It specifically mentions Daemons having access to Malefic.

And sadly it's wording is what's causing all of this with the "unless otherwise stated" starting it out.
So far my favor example would be typhus. Plainly states he can only pull from nurgle loving. But big book says he's a psyker he's got demonology. So circle n circle we go. If you say he can't have it because states only nurgle, than heralds can't cause says change n divination. If they simply said "all pyskers but the bugs had it" wouldn't be an issues. But those three words of "unless otherwise stated" has made this whole mess screwy.

Yeah it sucks because of the nerf for terrify, the hemlock wraithfighter is worse now (was that even possible) So, I think it "should" get the primaris to make up for it. But, alas, have to wait for a FAQ :(

I'm going to ask my group about it. Seems only fair to give it something of an attack (albeit a very short one)

 ashikenshin wrote:
Yeah it sucks because of the nerf for terrify, the hemlock wraithfighter is worse now (was that even possible) So, I think it "should" get the primaris to make up for it. But, alas, have to wait for a FAQ :(

I'm going to ask my group about it. Seems only fair to give it something of an attack (albeit a very short one)

Technically since he Hemlock only has powers from Telepathy, wouldn't it have Psychic Focus and get the primaris by default.

Thats the way I would read it S.K>Ren

So a henchmena psyker is suddently a ML1 psyker that can use santic? that is quite a leap.

 S.K.Ren wrote:

 ashikenshin wrote:
Yeah it sucks because of the nerf for terrify, the hemlock wraithfighter is worse now (was that even possible) So, I think it "should" get the primaris to make up for it. But, alas, have to wait for a FAQ :(

I'm going to ask my group about it. Seems only fair to give it something of an attack (albeit a very short one)

Technically since he Hemlock only has powers from Telepathy, wouldn't it have Psychic Focus and get the primaris by default.

yeah this is what I'm going to propose to my group but it would be nice to get confirmation

Technically since he Hemlock only has powers from Telepathy, wouldn't it have Psychic Focus and get the primaris by default.

it all comes down to what "generate" means. Psychic focus requires you to "generate" all powers from one discipline. Helmock "always knows" Terrify. Does always knowing something count as generating it? If the BRB defines "how to generate powers", then I would say no, the Hemlock does not gain the primaris.

Super Newb wrote:
"yes and?"

Sorry I thought I was talking to someone who understood context and could comprehend a simple statement. Clearly it is not the 'same' as 6th edition as those FAQs dropped the same time as the rulebook. So 7th is different in that there is this period where many armies cannot use the brb powers.

The point is that the RAW answer is not one you are looking for. Simply house rule it until GW makes FAQs for this.

Super Newb wrote:
"yes and?"

Sorry I thought I was talking to someone who understood context and could comprehend a simple statement. Clearly it is not the 'same' as 6th edition as those FAQs dropped the same time as the rulebook. So 7th is different in that there is this period where many armies cannot use the brb powers.

It IS the same as sixth: without the FAQS you could not access the brb lores, as you had no permission to do so. We do not have any FAQS, meaning we cannot access the brb lores. Oops, guess your insulting tone was a little premature.

coredump wrote:
..., and none of them state Demonology...

That's not 'stating otherwise'. That's 'not mentioning it'.


Currently, all psykers have access to Daemonology unless they have a specific rule that says that they don't have said access.

 insaniak wrote:

coredump wrote:
..., and none of them state Demonology...

That's not 'stating otherwise'. That's 'not mentioning it'.


Currently, all psykers have access to Daemonology unless they have a specific rule that says that they don't have said access.

So all the new codexes will state which powers the psyker can't roll on now because a list of what he can roll on isn't obvious enough? Okay cool yo.

 insaniak wrote:

coredump wrote:
..., and none of them state Demonology...

That's not 'stating otherwise'. That's 'not mentioning it'.


Currently, all psykers have access to Daemonology unless they have a specific rule that says that they don't have said access.

they do have a specific rule, in their codex. it clearly states what power set the psycher is able to generate their powers from.

horrors for example can only access change powers. there is nothing in the codex granting them malific powers.

codex always trumps brb, always.

until they faq it, no one has any demonology, their codexies don't give it to anyone.