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 Palindrome wrote:

 marv335 wrote:

That sort of thing doesn't happen with the UK members.

That's probably a good thing, I don't like it when people do that to me and that seems to be a common response with UK servicemen. I used to get thanked fairly often by random members of the public when I was out in public in uniform but it hasn't happened for a good while, I'm not sure if that's due to changing attitudes of just because I live in close to one of the biggest naval bases in Europe.

I am also wary of any society that venerates its warriors more highly than its teachers.

We tend to mark our progress through history by our wars. In our civic offices we have pictures of spitfires and battles.
What about stevenson, watt Brunel newton, wedgewood.
And we make films about war heroes. Douglas Bader anyone ?

 mega_bassist wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:

 mega_bassist wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:

 mega_bassist wrote:
I'll agree that the time of the muscle car is declining, but I believe the car culture will be around for a long time yet. Hell, the performance model of the Tesla S has over 400 horsepower. That, and there's always the turbo'd V6 and L4 engines that are getting ever more popular. Even the current 5.0L V8 in the Mustang GT gets about 24 mpg highway, and that pushes over 400 horsepower factory.

24 mpg... thats.... 10 km/litre. Holy gak that's terrible. My gakky old car from 1990 did 18 km/litre. My current one does 16/litre and its twice as big.

Hey, that's actually pretty good for an engine that makes over 400 horsepower while also passing the US's strict emission regulations

Yeah, it's good within that. Looking in from the out side, it's still a terrible waste for a lot of stuff you aren't actually allowed to put to use on regular roads.

Also, muscle cars (and expensive cars in general) mostly just serve to promote ass holes driving worse.

Oh, I don't disagree. There's a reason why I drive a Mazda 2. As much as I enjoy working on and modding cars, it's too big of a money/time sink for me.

And I'd say it's about a 50/50 chance on if the guy owning the pony/performance car will act like an ass-hat while driving it lol. Working in the industry, I see a lot of both sides.

Mazda 626 here. Used to drive a Toyota starlet(92). xD

-04 Mist Spyder Eclipse
2012 Yeti Jeep Wrangle
08 Jeep Wrangler
83 5.0 Mustang

 loki old fart wrote:

We tend to mark our progress through history by our wars. In our civic offices we have pictures of spitfires and battles.
What about stevenson, watt Brunel newton, wedgewood.
And we make films about war heroes. Douglas Bader anyone ?

Wars yes, although only really big ones, but we very rarely remember individual soldiers. If you asked the man in the street to name famous British 'warriors' you would be lucky to get more than a couple of names, if that, and they would probably be Nelson, Wellington and maybe Montgomery. We don't make war films anymore either, at least not about heroes.

 Soladrin wrote:

Mazda 626 here. Used to drive a Toyota starlet(92). xD

Bwahaha! Maybe update to a newer Mazda? I could see you driving a Miata

 Jihadin wrote:
-04 Mist Spyder Eclipse
2012 Yeti Jeep Wrangle
08 Jeep Wrangler
83 5.0 Mustang

Ahhhh, I want an old CJ. I found a '79 with the inline 6 and a hard top, barely any rust in the tubs, every thing running, for only $1500 on Craigslist. It sold the day is was posted and the owner forgot to take the add down
Also, is your 5.0 a notch or hatchback?

 Palindrome wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:

We tend to mark our progress through history by our wars. In our civic offices we have pictures of spitfires and battles.
What about stevenson, watt Brunel newton, wedgewood.
And we make films about war heroes. Douglas Bader anyone ?

Wars yes, although only really big ones, but we very rarely remember individual soldiers. If you asked the man in the street to name famous British 'warriors' you would be lucky to get more than a couple of names, if that, and they would probably be Nelson, Wellington and maybe Montgomery. We don't make war films anymore either, at least not about heroes.

Harry Patch world war 1 vet. David Stirling founder of sas,

 Bromsy wrote:
We don't venerate individuals - try to name any Medal of Honor recipients from the recent wars.

Dakota Meyer. Michael Monsoor. In a few days, Kyle Carpenter.


There are others, but those are the first three that came to mind.


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 Palindrome wrote:

 marv335 wrote:

That sort of thing doesn't happen with the UK members.

That's probably a good thing, I don't like it when people do that to me and that seems to be a common response with UK servicemen. I used to get thanked fairly often by random members of the public when I was out in public in uniform but it hasn't happened for a good while, I'm not sure if that's due to changing attitudes of just because I live in close to one of the biggest naval bases in Europe.

I am also wary of any society that venerates its warriors more highly than its teachers.

I don't think that thanking a veteran for their service necessarily means that the society venerates its warriors more highly than its teachers. I think it's more dangerous when a society draws too much of a separation between warriors and teachers. Sir William Francis Butler said it better: “The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”

 loki old fart wrote:

Harry Patch world war 1 vet. David Stirling founder of sas,

You are posting on a wargaming forum, I don't think that you count as 'the man in the street'

 Palindrome wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:

Harry Patch world war 1 vet. David Stirling founder of sas,

You are posting on a wargaming forum, I don't think that you count as 'the man in the street'

Let me try! Auchinleck. Cornwallis. King Harold from the battle of Hastings (Not sure if that one counts). Simon Murray.

That was fun.

I refuse to let the concept of a yummy steak die. If you don't like a good, bloody piece of cow from time to time, I have an acid bath you should jump into.*


*If you have an allergy to cow or religious reasons, the acid bath is not for you. I never eat beef products off an Indian menu-If the cow is sacred to them, I certainly won't ask them to "Americanize" their food for me.

Did I read that right where he said he was going to be in the NFL until he took an arrow to the knee?

 mega_bassist wrote:
I'll agree that the time of the muscle car is declining, but I believe the car culture will be around for a long time yet. Hell, the performance model of the Tesla S has over 400 horsepower. That, and there's always the turbo'd V6 and L4 engines that are getting ever more popular. Even the current 5.0L V8 in the Mustang GT gets about 24 mpg highway, and that pushes over 400 horsepower factory.

I don't actually think it's on the decline at all.... It's certainly shifting it's focus some, but to say it's declining isn't quite true. It's pretty clear "why" cars like the Mustang sell so well: people who have far less brains than sense think theyre great cars... For the record, the Mustang hasn't been a "great" or even "good" car since 1969.


With certain "car crowds" the car is different, but no less important. I mean, look at the drift crowd, or the rally racing crowd. There's a HUGE segment of the market geared towards racing 4 cylinder, turbocharged lightweight cars that when they arent racing, are fairly decent on fuel mileage.


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Ohh, and for the record... being in the military in the US has led me to absolutely HATE mustang, camaro, and challenger drivers.

I do however, drive an Audi A6

Yeah, it seems every third car here at Campbell is a Mustang or Charger.

Get all these young dumb soldiers coming back with all their deployment money...

 djones520 wrote:
Yeah, it seems every third car here at Campbell is a Mustang or Charger.

Get all these young dumb soldiers coming back with all their deployment money...

Yep, and you can imagine it's the same demographic of person, same buying habits in other places, like Fort Carson who routinely face "real" winter conditions, and these idiots all go out and buy something that, unless you're quite good at driving (as in, dont drive like an arse) you'll be all over the road, into other people or into a ditch.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
I'm a vegetarian, am far from interested in cars, the "football" thing shows some silly thing that isn't football, and I fail to see how bullying is manly.

The hell.

As the article says, there was an institutional acceptance of bullying, a belief that nothing good came out of fighting this battle for the kid. There was an idea that the problem was the victim failing to stand up for himself.

It was fething insane, of course, but it was also very real.

Point is, that's gone away now. I look back on some insane gak that happened when I was in school, and because things have changed so much I find it hard to get my head around why the victims didn't go to authorities, and I have to remember how differently schools looked at these issues.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I remember hating this article, still do.

I remember last time this article was raised here, and being baffled at the hostility it received.


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 Avatar 720 wrote:
I question the claim that bullying is going away; it seems to be just as prevalent, or perhaps more so, than it has been. It might be more readily condemned, but condemnation alone means nothing - contrary to what the UN seems to think about some things.

Mate, it's the first sentence...
"Don't misunderstand me here: As long as there are donkey-caves, and as long as those donkey-caves are bigger and stronger than other people, there will be bullies. But the thing that is going away (and that has already gone away in many respects) is the institutional approval of bullying."


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 timetowaste85 wrote:
I refuse to let the concept of a yummy steak die. If you don't like a good, bloody piece of cow from time to time, I have an acid bath you should jump into.*


*If you have an allergy to cow or religious reasons, the acid bath is not for you. I never eat beef products off an Indian menu-If the cow is sacred to them, I certainly won't ask them to "Americanize" their food for me.

I never order the beef at the Indian restaurant for the same reason I never get the fish and chips at the chinese place - they have no fething clue what they're doing.

That said, I did make a point of ordering some beef when I was in Dehli, for some reason I can't really remember. It was in the Nepalese quarter, in mo-mos, and it was delicious.

On the outside maybe, on the inside it's still very much ignored, if not outright accepted. "We don't tolerate bullying" is an oft said but rarely proved phrase.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
On the outside maybe, on the inside it's still very much ignored, if not outright accepted. "We don't tolerate bullying" is an oft said but rarely proved phrase.

Yeah, sure. But no-one is saying bullying is going away. It wasn't said in the article, and I don't believe anyone here has said it.

What is being said is that bullying, as understood as a part of man culture, in which the manly response was to stand up to the bully, is going away. Whether the school will do something effective, or even properly identify bullying when it happens (as opposed to kids just being dicks to each other) is a whole other question.

Cracked articles come in three flavours:

1. Funny stories.
2. Things you never noticed about XYZ.
3. Whiny SJW articles.

Before I click on it and give them page views, which of the three is this one?

I call Bull on this article, non of these things are going away, maybe become less, but i don't see any of them disappearing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
3. Whiny SJW articles.

SJW?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I refuse to let the concept of a yummy steak die. If you don't like a good, bloody piece of cow from time to time, I have an acid bath you should jump into.*


*If you have an allergy to cow or religious reasons, the acid bath is not for you. I never eat beef products off an Indian menu-If the cow is sacred to them, I certainly won't ask them to "Americanize" their food for me.

So, I am vegetarian for my own personal, completely non-religious ethical reasons. Should I go into the acid bath because I do not base my morality on some supernatural stories?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
3. Whiny SJW articles.

SJW?

Social Justice Warrior would be my guess.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
3. Whiny SJW articles.

SJW?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I refuse to let the concept of a yummy steak die. If you don't like a good, bloody piece of cow from time to time, I have an acid bath you should jump into.*


*If you have an allergy to cow or religious reasons, the acid bath is not for you. I never eat beef products off an Indian menu-If the cow is sacred to them, I certainly won't ask them to "Americanize" their food for me.

So, I am vegetarian for my own personal, completely non-religious ethical reasons. Should I go into the acid bath because I do not base my morality on some supernatural stories?

Ethics?? Put on your bathing suit!! Look man, the only reason the cows haven't risen up against us is because people like me eat them. If they were protected, one day you'd have a big jerky cow telling you to get out of his way. Do you want that? Do you want that?!

Hey, I improved your message:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Look man, the only reason the blacks haven't risen up against us is because people like me enslave them. If they were protected, one day you'd have a big black president telling you to get out of his way. Do you want that? Do you want that?!

Imagine the horror : a black cow president!

 mega_bassist wrote:
I'll agree that the time of the muscle car is declining, but I believe the car culture will be around for a long time yet. Hell, the performance model of the Tesla S has over 400 horsepower. That, and there's always the turbo'd V6 and L4 engines that are getting ever more popular. Even the current 5.0L V8 in the Mustang GT gets about 24 mpg highway, and that pushes over 400 horsepower factory.

Plus high end horses have moved into the peasant transports. My boy's Honda has 240 horsepower. Thats more than a 1980s IROC. He likes to floor it too.


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So, I am vegetarian for my own personal, completely non-religious ethical reasons. Should I go into the acid bath because I do not base my morality on some supernatural stories?

Yes. To paraphrase an excellent song from the 70s "vegetarians got no reason to liiivvvve."

If we did not have an all-volunteer, professional military, and if our threshhold for going to war was based on more noble principles, I think War Heroes would still be "a thing".

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
...For the record, the Mustang hasn't been a "great" or even "good" car since 1969.

I thought the same thing until the current/new generation of the Mustang. A buddy of mine picked up the 2012 GT, and it's the nicest American pony car. I'll drive that before the Challenger R/T and the Camaro SS ANY day of the week.

Ensis Ferrae wrote:I do however, drive an Audi A6

I hope you bought an extended warranty!

djones520 wrote:Yeah, it seems every third car here at Campbell is a Mustang or Charger.

Get all these young dumb soldiers coming back with all their deployment money...

A buddy of mine bought a Hyundai Genesis coupe when he got back from deployment...and a couple months later discovered how much the regular service is, and how much the tires cost. Needless to say, he traded in the car

Frazzled wrote:
Plus high end horses have moved into the peasant transports. My boy's Honda has 240 horsepower. Thats more than a 1980s IROC. He likes to floor it too.

Yup, same thing with the V6 Camry; they push around 260!

 Frazzled wrote:


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So, I am vegetarian for my own personal, completely non-religious ethical reasons. Should I go into the acid bath because I do not base my morality on some supernatural stories?

Yes. To paraphrase an excellent song from the 70s "vegetarians got no reason to liiivvvve."

...
While I hope you are joking, there's no way of telling this because some folks on the internet actually think all vegetarians should go kill themselves because they don't eat meat (more left for those that eat it, right?). If you aren't, I'd point to Rule #1, but eh.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


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So, I am vegetarian for my own personal, completely non-religious ethical reasons. Should I go into the acid bath because I do not base my morality on some supernatural stories?

Yes. To paraphrase an excellent song from the 70s "vegetarians got no reason to liiivvvve."

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While I hope you are joking, there's no way of telling this because some folks on the internet actually think all vegetarians should go kill themselves because they don't eat meat (more left for those that eat it, right?). If you aren't, I'd point to Rule #1, but eh.

Trust me, it's not just folks on the internet. I catch flak all the time from co-workers for eating/making vegan meals. They just can't process that great food can be made without any animal products. It's actually quite sad.

 mega_bassist wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


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So, I am vegetarian for my own personal, completely non-religious ethical reasons. Should I go into the acid bath because I do not base my morality on some supernatural stories?

Yes. To paraphrase an excellent song from the 70s "vegetarians got no reason to liiivvvve."

...
While I hope you are joking, there's no way of telling this because some folks on the internet actually think all vegetarians should go kill themselves because they don't eat meat (more left for those that eat it, right?). If you aren't, I'd point to Rule #1, but eh.

Trust me, it's not just folks on the internet. I catch flak all the time from co-workers for eating/making vegan meals. They just can't process that great food can be made without any animal products. It's actually quite sad.

I've luckily never run into any of those people - in fact, I've only been complimented on it so far. Hooray!

Is it fun to drive a fast car? Yes, of course it is.

Is it something to build your personality around? Maybe if you are Jeremy Clarkson.

For most people a car is a box on wheels that lets you go somewhere on your own schedule.