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 Ashiraya wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

Not really. Inquisitors are often psykers, carry esoteric protection devises like a Rosarius (laugh off Dark Eldar dark lances or whatever their AT guns are called), areotech weapons (grav guns, lightsabers, melta pistols, relic blades, etc) or alien tech if they're a radical inquisitor, possibly meaning Necorn phase blades which ignore armor completely. Plus psyker again. Lightning, precognition, mind rupturing, telekinesis, biomancy, etc.

Why is nobody reading OP?

 ZakFaire wrote:
How would a hand-to-hand brawl between an Astartes and an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor go down, assuming both had their melee weapons and armor?

Sure, it's one thing if he is a psyker, but otherwise both basically have armour and a sword.

The difference is that the Inquisitor is likely to be protected by an energy field and wield a blade capable of cleaving clean through whatever the Astartes carries.

It is 100% irrelevant since the premise was simply melee weapons and armor.

'assuming both had their melee weapons and armor?'
It does not say they both ONLY have melee weapons and armor, simply that they do have them, the exclusion of other equipment is not stated.

By that point though, the thread question then becomes "is it possible for a person to have equipment or powers that would allow them to beat a Space Marine?"

To which the answer is... yes. Obviously yes, there's a point where a person can be equipped with such badass weapons and armor, or psychic abilities, that they could beat a Space Marine. Has that ever really been in question?

As above, psychic Inquisitors, whilst common in the game, are more than likely extremely rare in fluff. Also with regards to most Inquisitors, they are just average humans with some extra training and archeotech gubbinz. Inquisitors are chosen primarily for their inquisitive and dedicated nature to stopping their chosen foe (Chaos, Xenos, Heretics, the Assassinorum, etc), not for their combat skills. Astartes on the other hand, are genetically engineered to be far superior to most unaided humans (if not all) even stripped of weapons and armour. The only things that tip this battle to the favour of the Inquisitor is any archeotech relics he/she may possess or being a psyker. And the archeotech or special tools might not even stop a Space Marine with a special weapon. Otherwise, the battle is far in the Marine's favour. After all, it is unfair to give the Inquisitor shinies and not the Astartes (of undetermined rank).

 TheRobotLol wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

Not really. Inquisitors are often psykers, carry esoteric protection devises like a Rosarius (laugh off Dark Eldar dark lances or whatever their AT guns are called), areotech weapons (grav guns, lightsabers, melta pistols, relic blades, etc) or alien tech if they're a radical inquisitor, possibly meaning Necorn phase blades which ignore armor completely. Plus psyker again. Lightning, precognition, mind rupturing, telekinesis, biomancy, etc.

Why is nobody reading OP?

 ZakFaire wrote:
How would a hand-to-hand brawl between an Astartes and an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor go down, assuming both had their melee weapons and armor?

Sure, it's one thing if he is a psyker, but otherwise both basically have armour and a sword.

The difference is that the Inquisitor is likely to be protected by an energy field and wield a blade capable of cleaving clean through whatever the Astartes carries.

It is 100% irrelevant since the premise was simply melee weapons and armor.

'assuming both had their melee weapons and armor?'
It does not say they both ONLY have melee weapons and armor, simply that they do have them, the exclusion of other equipment is not stated.

Well then the Marine wins, I guess, since he just uses his Reaver Titan to stomp on the Inquisitor?

This is like the 'permissive ruleset' debate all over again.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 TheRobotLol wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

Not really. Inquisitors are often psykers, carry esoteric protection devises like a Rosarius (laugh off Dark Eldar dark lances or whatever their AT guns are called), areotech weapons (grav guns, lightsabers, melta pistols, relic blades, etc) or alien tech if they're a radical inquisitor, possibly meaning Necorn phase blades which ignore armor completely. Plus psyker again. Lightning, precognition, mind rupturing, telekinesis, biomancy, etc.

Why is nobody reading OP?

 ZakFaire wrote:
How would a hand-to-hand brawl between an Astartes and an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor go down, assuming both had their melee weapons and armor?

Sure, it's one thing if he is a psyker, but otherwise both basically have armour and a sword.

The difference is that the Inquisitor is likely to be protected by an energy field and wield a blade capable of cleaving clean through whatever the Astartes carries.

It is 100% irrelevant since the premise was simply melee weapons and armor.

'assuming both had their melee weapons and armor?'
It does not say they both ONLY have melee weapons and armor, simply that they do have them, the exclusion of other equipment is not stated.

Well then the Marine wins, I guess, since he just uses his Reaver Titan to stomp on the Inquisitor?

This is like the 'permissive ruleset' debate all over again.

HAHA *claps fervently*

Inquistor brings out his starship.

 Deadshot wrote:
The Inquisitor always wins. If the Marine fights back he would kill the Inquisitor in a few blows and be labelled a heretic and traitor and executed.

If the Inquisitor justed wanted to make an example he would strip him of all honour and rank, demote him to the lowest of the low, send him on a 1 man penance crusade...etc.

Ask the Space Wolves how well this works in practice.


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 Wyzilla wrote:

Pretty most Inquisitors are psykers

Nope.

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 TheRobotLol wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

Not really. Inquisitors are often psykers, carry esoteric protection devises like a Rosarius (laugh off Dark Eldar dark lances or whatever their AT guns are called), areotech weapons (grav guns, lightsabers, melta pistols, relic blades, etc) or alien tech if they're a radical inquisitor, possibly meaning Necorn phase blades which ignore armor completely. Plus psyker again. Lightning, precognition, mind rupturing, telekinesis, biomancy, etc.

Why is nobody reading OP?

 ZakFaire wrote:
How would a hand-to-hand brawl between an Astartes and an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor go down, assuming both had their melee weapons and armor?

Sure, it's one thing if he is a psyker, but otherwise both basically have armour and a sword.

The difference is that the Inquisitor is likely to be protected by an energy field and wield a blade capable of cleaving clean through whatever the Astartes carries.

It is 100% irrelevant since the premise was simply melee weapons and armor.

'assuming both had their melee weapons and armor?'
It does not say they both ONLY have melee weapons and armor, simply that they do have them, the exclusion of other equipment is not stated.

Well then the Marine wins, I guess, since he just uses his Reaver Titan to stomp on the Inquisitor?

This is like the 'permissive ruleset' debate all over again.

HAHA *claps fervently*

Inquistor brings out his starship.

Which is quickly reduced to scrap by the Chapter Fleets from 10 Chapters the Space Marine brought along.

 Gashrog wrote:

Since when? The Deathwatch were in true awe of the fact that Eisenhorn

Spoiler:

had actually managed to kill a Chaos Space Marine, which he only managed to do by tricking it when it was kicking his arse. He certainly didn't stand up and best it by might alone.

That was a younger, less experienced Eisenhorn.




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 Ashiraya wrote:


It is 100% irrelevant since the premise was simply melee weapons and armor.

What if this Inquisitor is wearing Terminator Armour with an in-built force field and a nemesis force weapon? Being a psyker what if he then uses Warptime and Hammerhand to make himself faster than Usain Bolt and huge like Brock Lesnar?

Some inquisitors, like Hector Rex, need nothing more than their own personal prowess to kill the average Marine.

Inquisitors are extremely varied. More than Marines are. So it's a hard call.

pm713 wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 TheRobotLol wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

Not really. Inquisitors are often psykers, carry esoteric protection devises like a Rosarius (laugh off Dark Eldar dark lances or whatever their AT guns are called), areotech weapons (grav guns, lightsabers, melta pistols, relic blades, etc) or alien tech if they're a radical inquisitor, possibly meaning Necorn phase blades which ignore armor completely. Plus psyker again. Lightning, precognition, mind rupturing, telekinesis, biomancy, etc.

Why is nobody reading OP?

 ZakFaire wrote:
How would a hand-to-hand brawl between an Astartes and an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor go down, assuming both had their melee weapons and armor?

Sure, it's one thing if he is a psyker, but otherwise both basically have armour and a sword.

The difference is that the Inquisitor is likely to be protected by an energy field and wield a blade capable of cleaving clean through whatever the Astartes carries.

It is 100% irrelevant since the premise was simply melee weapons and armor.

'assuming both had their melee weapons and armor?'
It does not say they both ONLY have melee weapons and armor, simply that they do have them, the exclusion of other equipment is not stated.

Well then the Marine wins, I guess, since he just uses his Reaver Titan to stomp on the Inquisitor?

This is like the 'permissive ruleset' debate all over again.

HAHA *claps fervently*

Inquistor brings out his starship.

Which is quickly reduced to scrap by the Chapter Fleets from 10 Chapters the Space Marine brought along.

But...but *hangs head in shame*

 Void__Dragon wrote:


What if this Inquisitor is wearing Terminator Armour with an in-built force field and a nemesis force weapon? Being a psyker what if he then uses Warptime and Hammerhand to make himself faster than Usain Bolt and huge like Brock Lesnar?

Some inquisitors, like Hector Rex, need nothing more than their own personal prowess to kill the average Marine.

Inquisitors are extremely varied. More than Marines are. So it's a hard call.

Well, yes. The OP needs to provide more details.

So like any good comparative, let us look at the average Space Marine versus the average Inquisitor.

The Space Marine is selected at youth, physically and mentally altered to become a perfect warrior with armor that can withstand small armaments short of artillery shells with ease, dexterity to match the sharpest of predators, and the military acumen to by themselves organize a planet wide rebellion and overthrow almost any government.

The Inquisitor is picked by a senior Inquisitor, bearing great determination and intelligence. He or she may or may not of gone through training in the art of war and subterfuge. They may not have access to crazy technology for personal use. They may not exactly be in the best of health.

An average Inquisitor stands no chance against an average Space Marine. Lore dictates that a Marine be primed for war to fight any number of foes. An Inquisitor merely must be absolutely loyal to the Emperor (or their perception of what loyalty constitutes) and have the drive and will to carry out their duties to that effect.

The ranks of Inquisitors I am sure also includes those who have great psychic potential and martial prowess, but that by no means defines an Inquisitor. An Inquisitor uses whatever means necessary to protect their version of the Imperium from whatever harm may come their way, in spite of their limitations.

So in short, Space Marine wins most of the time.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
The Inquisitor always wins. If the Marine fights back he would kill the Inquisitor in a few blows and be labelled a heretic and traitor and executed.

If the Inquisitor justed wanted to make an example he would strip him of all honour and rank, demote him to the lowest of the low, send him on a 1 man penance crusade...etc.

Ask the Space Wolves how well this works in practise

Talking about the average Marine (ie, a Codex Marine in a Codex Chapter, with no First Founding political sway) or one in the Deathwatch (directly under authority of the Inquisition), this does work. Citing an exception to the rule does not disprove it.

"Captain Awesomeness, by my hand and order, by the power invested in me by this Inquisitorial Seal as hand of the Emperor, I hearby strip you of the rank of Captain, and all associated honours, and demote you to the rank of Battle Brother. To defy my word is to defy the Emperor as a heretic and a traitor. The punishment for heresy is redemption, through death. Do you wish to defy me?"
"Nah, I'm good."

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
The Inquisitor always wins. If the Marine fights back he would kill the Inquisitor in a few blows and be labelled a heretic and traitor and executed.

If the Inquisitor justed wanted to make an example he would strip him of all honour and rank, demote him to the lowest of the low, send him on a 1 man penance crusade...etc.

Ask the Space Wolves how well this works in practice.


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 Wyzilla wrote:

Pretty most Inquisitors are psykers

Nope.

When has it ever been stated the majority of Inquisitors in the Ordos aren't psykers? Every psyker I've ever encountered in the Black Library has been a psyker. Never heard of non-psyker Inquisitors.

 Deadshot wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
The Inquisitor always wins. If the Marine fights back he would kill the Inquisitor in a few blows and be labelled a heretic and traitor and executed.

If the Inquisitor justed wanted to make an example he would strip him of all honour and rank, demote him to the lowest of the low, send him on a 1 man penance crusade...etc.

Ask the Space Wolves how well this works in practise

Talking about the average Marine (ie, a Codex Marine in a Codex Chapter, with no First Founding political sway) or one in the Deathwatch (directly under authority of the Inquisition), this does work. Citing an exception to the rule does not disprove it.

"Captain Awesomeness, by my hand and order, by the power invested in me by this Inquisitorial Seal as hand of the Emperor, I hearby strip you of the rank of Captain, and all associated honours, and demote you to the rank of Battle Brother. To defy my word is to defy the Emperor as a heretic and a traitor. The punishment for heresy is redemption, through death. Do you wish to defy me?"
"Nah, I'm good."

Not that it matters anyway. If the captain's Chapter Master disagrees he can just promote him back up and the Inquisitor can't do jack. If the CM agrees he would probably have demoted him himself anyway.

 Wyzilla wrote:

When has it ever been stated the majority of Inquisitors in the Ordos aren't psykers? Every psyker I've ever encountered in the Black Library has been a psyker. Never heard of non-psyker Inquisitors.

That isn't how the burden of proof works dude.

Every important inquisitor in BL is a psyker because writers are very lazy.

Also, pretty sure Amberly Vail isn't a psyker.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
The Inquisitor always wins. If the Marine fights back he would kill the Inquisitor in a few blows and be labelled a heretic and traitor and executed.

If the Inquisitor justed wanted to make an example he would strip him of all honour and rank, demote him to the lowest of the low, send him on a 1 man penance crusade...etc.

Ask the Space Wolves how well this works in practice.


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 Wyzilla wrote:

Pretty most Inquisitors are psykers

Nope.

When has it ever been stated the majority of Inquisitors in the Ordos aren't psykers? Every psyker I've ever encountered in the Black Library has been a psyker. Never heard of non-psyker Inquisitors.

Psykers are rare, for a start. Most of them end up on Black Ships to be fed to the Emperor, or feed the Astromican. Some end up in the GK. A handful others end up in other Astartes Chapters. Some more go into the IG as Sanctioned Psykers. Of the ones that arn't used by the Imperium, the remainder either become Chaos Sorcerors, eaten/possessed by Daemons, hunted down and killed by the Imperium/SoB/Ordo Hereticus.
Of the remainder, some are recruited by Inqusitors, or go unnoticed.

The odds of a Psyker becoming an Inquisitor are very very slim. The only reason you read about loads of them is because those are ones that are written about. They represent a very tiny portion of the Inquisition.


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 Ashiraya wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
The Inquisitor always wins. If the Marine fights back he would kill the Inquisitor in a few blows and be labelled a heretic and traitor and executed.

If the Inquisitor justed wanted to make an example he would strip him of all honour and rank, demote him to the lowest of the low, send him on a 1 man penance crusade...etc.

Ask the Space Wolves how well this works in practise

Talking about the average Marine (ie, a Codex Marine in a Codex Chapter, with no First Founding political sway) or one in the Deathwatch (directly under authority of the Inquisition), this does work. Citing an exception to the rule does not disprove it.

"Captain Awesomeness, by my hand and order, by the power invested in me by this Inquisitorial Seal as hand of the Emperor, I hearby strip you of the rank of Captain, and all associated honours, and demote you to the rank of Battle Brother. To defy my word is to defy the Emperor as a heretic and a traitor. The punishment for heresy is redemption, through death. Do you wish to defy me?"
"Nah, I'm good."

Not that it matters anyway. If the captain's Chapter Master disagrees he can just promote him back up and the Inquisitor can't do jack. If the CM agrees he would probably have demoted him himself anyway.

The Inquisition carry the authority of the Emperor himself. To defy him is to defy the Emperor. An Inquisitor's word is Law. No right-minded Space Marine, Chapter Master or not, would go against him without a very good reason.

 WarOne wrote:
So like any good comparative, let us look at the average Space Marine versus the average Inquisitor.

The Space Marine is selected at youth, physically and mentally altered to become a perfect warrior with armor that can withstand small armaments short of artillery shells with ease, dexterity to match the sharpest of predators, and the military acumen to by themselves organize a planet wide rebellion and overthrow almost any government.

The Inquisitor is picked by a senior Inquisitor, bearing great determination and intelligence. He or she may or may not of gone through training in the art of war and subterfuge. They may not have access to crazy technology for personal use. They may not exactly be in the best of health.

An average Inquisitor stands no chance against an average Space Marine. Lore dictates that a Marine be primed for war to fight any number of foes. An Inquisitor merely must be absolutely loyal to the Emperor (or their perception of what loyalty constitutes) and have the drive and will to carry out their duties to that effect.

The ranks of Inquisitors I am sure also includes those who have great psychic potential and martial prowess, but that by no means defines an Inquisitor. An Inquisitor uses whatever means necessary to protect their version of the Imperium from whatever harm may come their way, in spite of their limitations.

So in short, Space Marine wins most of the time.

This is a pretty good post, and more or less represents my own thoughts on the matter.


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 Deadshot wrote:


The Inquisition carry the authority of the Emperor himself. To defy him is to defy the Emperor. An Inquisitor's word is Law. No right-minded Space Marine, Chapter Master or not, would go against him without a very good reason.

People say this a lot, but how often does this really occur?

The Space Marines exist in a grey area concerning whether or not they are subject to the demands of an Inquisitor, and this grey area is one most Inquisitors don't cross into IMO.

An Inquisitor who prefers to enter combat himself will be stacked with all the goodies he can get - power fields, power weapons, customized power armor and maybe also Xeno tech. The "average" Battle Brother will have problems there IMO - it would take a Captain with his own stack of relics to put up a fight.

But the "average" non-specialized Inquisitor will get his butt handed to him by just about any Astartes.

 Deadshot wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:


When has it ever been stated the majority of Inquisitors in the Ordos aren't psykers? Every psyker I've ever encountered in the Black Library has been a psyker. Never heard of non-psyker Inquisitors.

Psykers are rare, for a start. Most of them end up on Black Ships to be fed to the Emperor, or feed the Astromican. Some end up in the GK. A handful others end up in other Astartes Chapters. Some more go into the IG as Sanctioned Psykers. Of the ones that arn't used by the Imperium, the remainder either become Chaos Sorcerors, eaten/possessed by Daemons, hunted down and killed by the Imperium/SoB/Ordo Hereticus.
Of the remainder, some are recruited by Inqusitors, or go unnoticed.

The odds of a Psyker becoming an Inquisitor are very very slim. The only reason you read about loads of them is because those are ones that are written about. They represent a very tiny portion of the Inquisition.

There's trillions of humans in the Imperium. Even with psykers being a small amount, just 1% or even .001% would still result in an astronomically large amount of psykers to be trained by the Inquisition.

All Inquisitors are at least *taught* psyker skills. Before you become an Inquisitor first you must be an interrogator, and as an interrogator you learn how to interrogate people psychically as well as how to resist hostile psykic influences. Sure, some Inquisitors may not be amazing psykers, but they all know the basics, and those Inquisitors who are terrible Psykers probably either have desk jobs or were part of a noble family or something. This is even more prominent in the field of the Ordo Mallius, were I'd assume being either a Psyker or a Blank (Either one would work) is partically mandatory for any field work!

My question here is a simple one: Assuming this Inquisitor is armed with the greatest weaponry available to any inquisitor ever, something like the Soulspear from the Blood Drinkers books that can carve its way through the very essence of a Daemon Prince like its butter, what the Hell is he going to do with it when a Space Marine can dart forward at incredible speed and snap his neck with a bare hand before the inquisitor can move?

Augmentations aside, Space Marines are SUPER-human. End of story. They have physiologies that are perfect. They have reflexes that are perfect. They have trained until they are each and every one as perfect as they possibly could be. How is a human being who only has a select few years to live and has spent more of their life learning techniques for interrogation and subterfuge going to out perform a creature that has been bred and taught a life time of war?

I'd say that a well armed inquisitor stands a chance against say.....a Scout. There are named Character Inquisitors who have spent their lives training and preparing to fight the greatest daemons, and arming themselves with the best weapons; these are few and far between, and most are thrown in with the Ordo Malleus, and therefore would leave Space Marines in general alone due to respect gained through interaction with Grey Knights.

On the subject of an Inquisitor shaming a Space Marine; need I remind you what happened the last time the Imperium tried to bully the Space Wolves? They told them to feth off or die, and guess what, they fethed off. All of Fenris surrounded, and not a single scared Space Wolf. Its hard to put fear into a being that feels no fear. So, there are a lot of variables. But 90% of the time, the average Inquisitor is just a human with an extra high intelligence and a lot of skill at ferreting out dissent and heresy. That's what they do. They have Grey Knights for their bully boy work, and Space Marine Chapters discipline their own. And for those of you wondering, I'm pulling these snippets and opinions from the Grey Knights and Space Wolf codexes, the Space Wolves Omnibus, the Ravenor books, and Fear The Alien (collected short stories).

 Purifyingflame_7 wrote:
Augmentations aside, Space Marines are SUPER-human. End of story. They have physiologies that are perfect. They have reflexes that are perfect. They have trained until they are each and every one as perfect as they possibly could be. How is a human being who only has a select few years to live and has spent more of their life learning techniques for interrogation and subterfuge going to out perform a creature that has been bred and taught a life time of war?

Few marines will survive to become even 200 years old as they have a bad habit of dying in combat. The oldest active Ultramarine is less than 400 - Chaplain Cassius. And he calls his Chapter Master "young Calgar". Someone like Commander Dante is an anomaly even among his own Blood Angels (said to be the most long-lived ASTARTES) - there's no living marine (but maybe a few dreadnoughts) even in his own Chapter who can remember Dante's recruitment or rise to Chapter Master.

Inquisitors like Eisenhorn will look middle-aged at age 350 and can expect to reach 700 thanks to the expensive Rejuvenat treatments they have access to. If they happen to be one of the combat crazy sorts they will devote a lot of their time to that, and collect everything they can including bionics and Xeno tech. Few "average" marines will get the jump on someone like that.

 Void__Dragon wrote:


The Space Marines exist in a grey area concerning whether or not they are subject to the demands of an Inquisitor, and this grey area is one most Inquisitors don't cross into IMO.

To add to this, the Chapter Master entry in the codex explicitly states that CMs answer to none but themselves and each other.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:


The Space Marines exist in a grey area concerning whether or not they are subject to the demands of an Inquisitor, and this grey area is one most Inquisitors don't cross into IMO.

To add to this, the Chapter Master entry in the codex explicitly states that CMs answer to none but themselves and each other.

The Inquisitor still carries the will of the Emperor. He literally speaks for the father of the Astartes. Any Chapter Master asked to help with something will be duty-bound to do so or give a good reason for not helping.

And I said "ask" and "help".... No Inquisitor with a shred of wit walks into a Fortress-Monastery to demand things. He'll have a good reason for needing aid, he'll have an explanation for why the Chapter should help and he will say why it will be glorious for the Emperor and the Chapter. The Adeptus Astartes might be independent but they were created to defend humankind and the Imperium of Man. A Chapter that doesn't honor the reasons for it's own existence is useless to the Imperium. And an Inquisitor who doesn't have the diplomatic skills to ask for help in a proper manner is also useless to the Imperium.

Remember there are two types of Inquisitors, radical and puritan.

Radicals tend to be more dangerous because they are not afraid (or maybe dumb enough) to use daemon weapons and alien technology, so I would place my bets on a radical inquisitor more likely than a puritan.

Spetulhu wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:


The Space Marines exist in a grey area concerning whether or not they are subject to the demands of an Inquisitor, and this grey area is one most Inquisitors don't cross into IMO.

To add to this, the Chapter Master entry in the codex explicitly states that CMs answer to none but themselves and each other.

The Inquisitor still carries the will of the Emperor. He literally speaks for the father of the Astartes. Any Chapter Master asked to help with something will be duty-bound to do so or give a good reason for not helping.

And I said "ask" and "help".... No Inquisitor with a shred of wit walks into a Fortress-Monastery to demand things. He'll have a good reason for needing aid, he'll have an explanation for why the Chapter should help and he will say why it will be glorious for the Emperor and the Chapter. The Adeptus Astartes might be independent but they were created to defend humankind and the Imperium of Man. A Chapter that doesn't honor the reasons for it's own existence is useless to the Imperium. And an Inquisitor who doesn't have the diplomatic skills to ask for help in a proper manner is also useless to the Imperium.

That wasn't the scenario Void__Dragon and Ashiraya were referring to. They're talking about the situation where an Inquisitor tries to order a Chapter Master to demote or even execute one of his marines. In that situation, its hard to think of a Chapter Master that would blindly follow that order and not just use their own judgement.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Meltas are melee weapons now?

Inferno pistol, then!
Or digital weapons.
Or the terrible Sword of Melta.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
As Know No Fear shows us, Space Marine reflexes are so quick that they can draw their weapon, aim for the optimal kill-shot and make it in the time it would take for people to blink.

As [insert the name of two different novels] shows us, the performance of marines vary greatly from book to book. The only suitable reference, Ciaphas Cain HERO OF THE IMPERIUM, say that Marines can bested in close combat by unaugmented humans.

 Purifyingflame_7 wrote:
My question here is a simple one: Assuming this Inquisitor is armed with the greatest weaponry available to any inquisitor ever, something like the Soulspear from the Blood Drinkers books that can carve its way through the very essence of a Daemon Prince like its butter, what the Hell is he going to do with it when a Space Marine can dart forward at incredible speed and snap his neck with a bare hand before the inquisitor can move?

See just above. Space marines are not always that quick.

 Purifyingflame_7 wrote:
They have physiologies that are perfect.

Uh? No. Not by a long shot. I do not even know what that would mean, but most marine chapter geneseeds are decaying, with implants that start to degenerate and stuff.

 Purifyingflame_7 wrote:
They have reflexes that are perfect.

They have reflexes that are way slower than those of eldars or genestealers.

 Purifyingflame_7 wrote:
They have trained until they are each and every one as perfect as they possibly could be.

And for some marine, “as perfect as they possibly could be” still mean “not as good as that other guy”.

 Purifyingflame_7 wrote:
How is a human being who only has a select few years to live and has spent more of their life learning techniques for interrogation and subterfuge going to out perform a creature that has been bred and taught a life time of war?

Superior exotic wargear and superior intelligence.

Also, pretty sure Amberly Vail isn't a psyker.

She def is not - she has a psyker in her retinue but is not herself a psyker. She would have problems with Jurgen if she was.......

She does have a kick ass set of Artificer armour and/or force fields, her own starship and is clever enough to both know her own limitations and exploit others I can't see her fighting a Space Marine except under extreme circumstances and even then unless he is also a named character she has really powerful plot shields

All Inquisitors are at least *taught* psyker skills.

Never heard that before - they would be taught about them and how to recognise, combat etc - but you are either a psyker or your not?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Purifyingflame_7 wrote:
They have reflexes that are perfect.

They have reflexes that are way slower than those of eldars or genestealers.

One, Eldar is PLURAL, it is not written or spoken as "Eldars". Secondly, no, the reflexes of Astartes are just as fast as Eldar and Genestealers, hence why Astartes are able to butcher their way through them in combat and you have things like space marines blasting holes and escaping from Commorragh, sacking Craftworlds, or kicking the ever loving gak out of Space Hulks. Things with Genestealers only go poorly due to flanking firing vectors or TDA being TDA.

 Purifyingflame_7 wrote:
How is a human being who only has a select few years to live and has spent more of their life learning techniques for interrogation and subterfuge going to out perform a creature that has been bred and taught a life time of war?

Superior exotic wargear and superior intelligence.

A trained Eldar and is faster than the average Space Marine. So are Genestealers.

Be real, lol.