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Looks like my space Vikings are finally getting a space long boat. Might get rid of the wolf's head icon.

Oh my, ...well.....it definitely looks like... it was built with ramming in mind.

Picture the top down view.

I like the look of it.

pm713 wrote:
I like the look of it.

Why? It's a flying box with guns.

 sing your life wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I like the look of it.

Why? It's a flying box with guns.

So?

pm713 wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I like the look of it.

Why? It's a flying box with guns.

So?

Because the rules appear to say it can travel at about 700mph, despite the obvious effects of air resistance.

I really have to look into the issue on sci-fi vehicles later, but this is probably one of the worst ones I've seen. When I look at a sci-fi ship there's always the look that it can fly, even if it's non-atmospheric. The X-wing for example has a decent engine&wing/hull ratio that right off the bat looks fit to fly. Even something without wings like the Millennium Falcon has larger engines in the main hull to look like it's capable of propelling itself.

This is just a mess. Four very small engines for such a large and clunky body that are fastened to the very rear end. A larger rear jet and smaller forward one would probably have fixed this issue. If they wanted to do a single set it should have been moved forward more to at least attempt to look like it's balanced out. The wings are so small that they are completely irrelevant, either give them a larger size or just cut them entirely.

I get that it's sci-fi. I know they have anti-grav generators and that really they could make a flying seamless cube with guns strapped to it if they wanted to. The problem is that it won't look appealing or efficient. The problem with this is that it looks like someone tried to convert a dumpster into a missile in as many embarrassing steps as possible and then for no reason people decided to ride in it.

 sing your life wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I like the look of it.

Why? It's a flying box with guns.

So?

Because the rules appear to say it can travel at about 700mph, despite the obvious effects of air resistance.

Again so? I'm not going to say it makes sense but that doesn't make any difference to how it looks. Regardless of realism I like the look.

pm713 wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I like the look of it.

Why? It's a flying box with guns.

So?

Because the rules appear to say it can travel at about 700mph, despite the obvious effects of air resistance.

Again so? I'm not going to say it makes sense but that doesn't make any difference to how it looks. Regardless of realism I like the look.

I like models to look at least slightly realistic. This miniature abomination has none of that.

 sing your life wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I like the look of it.

Why? It's a flying box with guns.

So?

Because the rules appear to say it can travel at about 700mph, despite the obvious effects of air resistance.

Again so? I'm not going to say it makes sense but that doesn't make any difference to how it looks. Regardless of realism I like the look.

I like models to look at least slightly realistic. This miniature abomination has none of that.

YOU do. I don't care much overall.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
That being said, it does look undoubtedly "Astartes". They nailed that aesthetic just fine.

I'm just not sure why the Space Wolves don't just use Stormravens for the exact same roles as the Stormfang, other than for the direct purpose of it giving Space Wolves a huge $80 model like all the other "races" have, as that's the latest GW goal.

I thought it was a Stormraven variant based on the name, I haven't really looked at the model closely but I see now that it is infact a new model

I mean it is an AV12 assault vehicle..

 Bludbaff wrote:

ImAGeek wrote:

Toofast wrote:
How about the fact that 99% of leagues and tournaments don't allow FW?

Who and what is this a reply to..?

Welcome to Dakka, where every single thread is an opportunity to have the FW legality argument yet again. But snark aside, he was referring to the Caestus discussion.

Yeah but no one said anything about FW legality... Someone said 'cheap Caestus' cos I'm guessing they meant converting two of these into a Caestus, but two of these are the same price as a Caestus.

I was actually just reminded of this. This, for those unfamiliar, is Shockwave's vehicle mode in Transformers: War for Cybetron.

This is a very efficient design to me. It has short wings, but decently sized compared to the overall body, large engine directly connected to the main hull, slim body but still with the look of a big flying gun. The space wolf flyer is too thick, wings way too small for the body, the engines look too small and are too poorly placed for efficient balance since it appears to be the only thing keeping it flying.

 Captain Avatar wrote:
Oh my, ...well.....it definitely looks like... it was built with ramming in mind.

Picture the top down view.

That's the first time I've heard that critique.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 Captain Avatar wrote:
Oh my, ...well.....it definitely looks like... it was built with ramming in mind.

Picture the top down view.

That's the first time I've heard that critique.

Now picture the gunship in an eight-bit video game.....firing its cannon.

Just talking about the rules a minute - these things are INSANE for their points cost.

Look at the stormraven:
-Tl assault cannon or tl lascannon
-Tl multimelta
-2 tl hurricane bolters
-Cap of 12
230pts
I personally think the mm is the most scary thing on this as you can place a mm shot pretty much anywhere on the table with it being a flyer.

Now the new girls (how I would take them):
Stormwolf:
-TWO tl multimeltas
-Tl lascannon
-Tl hellfrost cannon (24" st6 ap3 blast or 24" st8 ap1 shot)
-Cap of 16.
235pts
So for the price of 6 tl bolters and 5pts you get, 1 extra tl mm, a tl hellfrost cannon and a capacity of 4 more. For the mm alone that is more than worth the points!

Stormfang:
-TWO tl mulitmeltas
-Tl lascannon
-Hellfrost destructor (24" st6 ap3 large blast or st8 ap1 lance shot)
-Cap of 6
255pts
So for the cost of 6 tl bolters, 25pts and a loss in capacity of 6, you get 1 extra multimelta and a weapon which is amazing against both tanks, infantry (all the way up to 2+ saves) and flyers.

Not to mention that the stormwolf is a FA choice and the stormfang is a HS choice so you can have 3 of each in 1 FOC.

They have been hailed as the best AA out there. Scrap that - they are the best anti-superheavy out there! Lets look at that. An ork stompa with a kff big mek inside with the fixer uppaz, grot riggers and 2 extra super rokkits (what I reckon the most common build will be for the stompa not including burna boys with 3 meks), costs 940pts. For just 20pts more you can have 3 stormwolves and one stormfang fully upgraded like above, giving you EIGHT twin linked multimelta shots, 4 twinlinked lascannon shots, 3 st8 ap1 shots and a st8 ap1 lance shot... That will smash the stompa in one turn of shooting!
What else for 1000pts can take out a stompa with huge overkill in ONE turn? Remember - they will be bubblewrapped against normal melta, but nobody can bubblewrap 12" in every direction if they jave just spent half their points on a superheavy!
Best bit is that most superheavies are pants against flyers ao usually just ignore them - they certainly cant do that now.

Against ANYTHING with an armour value, either form of these are gold and make a raven look like a pyrovore in comparison (and the raven is ok for its points).

And for the years that people were annoyed at helldrakes - well now we have another flyer with a st6 ap3 (large blast instead of template).

And don't forget hover - if your opponent hasn't moved, once it has done one attack run it can simply drop into hover, move 6" and do an about turn, melting all that rear armour.

They both also have the advantages of the raven being an assault vehicle (risky I know) and having ceremite plating.

If you are a competative SW player, why WOULDNT you want multiples of each of these?

What is the obsession with "pretty" war machines? I think it looks functional and was purpose built to be crude brutal and frosty. ;-) fits a barbaric war band. " Them pretty boys from the BA chapter got a nice new Roll Royce flyer, let's build a big ass Ford 4X4 flying Hog and grab a keg or two and got mess something up" for the wolf time!

Given its size i suspect it will have stormraven statistics, AV12 all around with possible melta-resistance (which is actually getting less and less important as Armorbane is getting common, and thats not Melta).

That thing has to be the largest non-FW flier so far. Wingspan may not be the widest (by a longshot) but its definitely got the length and girth.....wow did i seriously just compare it to a cubic dick? lol.

Personally i think it looks kinda stale. Then again, all space marine crap looks pretty similar across the armies. Space Wolves may have a lot of differences to non-chaos marines, but theyre still very similar.
Theres a reason i dont play marine armies lol. The marine armor looks cool, i hate the rest of their models with a passion.

I am a Space Wolf player, and I've been getting tired of people bitching about Space Wolves being SM+1 for years.
That being said: It really feels like a Stormraven+1. For a slight points bump you get a huge bump in transport capacity and a small damage boost, or else a slight decrease in transport capacity but a huge damage boost. Why do Space Wolves only use these weapons? Why don't Space Marines have these rather better weapons? Why don't Space Wolves use Stormravens instead, possibly with changed weapons?

Why don't we all have Fast Vehicles? Why don't we all get jetbikes? Why don't we all get Force weapons? No point in different people using the same stuff.

pm713 wrote:
Why don't we all have Fast Vehicles? Why don't we all get jetbikes? Why don't we all get Force weapons? No point in different people using the same stuff.

Considering how many people usually end up going from SM to Space Wolves because of their power level, pretty sure many are going to be using the same stuff in the end,.

Waaaghpower wrote:
I am a Space Wolf player, and I've been getting tired of people bitching about Space Wolves being SM+1 for years.
That being said: It really feels like a Stormraven+1. For a slight points bump you get a huge bump in transport capacity and a small damage boost, or else a slight decrease in transport capacity but a huge damage boost. Why do Space Wolves only use these weapons? Why don't Space Marines have these rather better weapons? Why don't Space Wolves use Stormravens instead, possibly with changed weapons?

They probably think it doesn't matter now cos of unbound.

This is actually one fo the few new SM models that I really like. I don't know it just looks ominous. That being said, of course since I like it is just for SW, which I don't play.

I understand that the chapters need to be different, but they are all SM. If one chapter figures out how to get a type of vehicle, another should be able to as well. I know I've said this before, like DA standing next to BA, and saying, "Oh, you guys put flamers and assault cannons on a predator. Good idea. Too bad we can't do that, that's BA only"

They should be separated by choice of structure and tactics.

Anyway, tirade aside, I really do like these. I was thinking about getting on to convert and use as a StormRaven (I only play casual so no one will care), but they are probably about 30 - 40 $ too much.

I like the look but the hull mounted lascannon/missiles just looks off to me, I would have to mount them on the wings.

I might have been watching clouds with my kid too much this summer, but I see oversized flying wolf heads. With the right paint job it could actually look cool.

If this were a boarding craft for ship-to-ship in space, then it'd be cool. Or if it were an amphibious landing craft.

But for a flyer, this thing is ugly. It looks like it's about to tip forward on it's nose and get stuck that way. It's worse than the Taurox.

Looks like a BFG space ship.

looks like it could fly in space, but not in any atmosphere.

makes the stormtalon look good, now im thinking about buying a stormtalon...maybe that was GWs plan all along.

All of GW SM flyers looks really good if you're doing something like the Space Sttion battle from Crusade of Fire, they're just ugly if they're in the atmosphere.

every time the Imperium gets a new codex and the new vehicle is unveiled the complaints start. "ohh it's too blocky!"

well yes it's blocky and inellegent, why would you expect a complete change in Aestetics?

folks, let's take a look for a moment at the Aestetic of Imperium vehicles.



First up the Rhino. it's a friken metal box. no smooth lines not elegence.



Next up the Land Raider (crusader pattern) it's more or less an upsized rhino aesteticly speaking. a box of metal on treads.



Next up moving away we have the lemen russ, The IoMs favorite battletank. likewise it's pretty block, it's not smooth it's very squarish.



of particular note here is the Land speeder. a design that, reasonably should be aerodynamic but it's not.



the storm raven, it has wings but if you tried to claim this sucker was aerodynamic you'd be laughed out of the room.it's still very very blocky.



the Storm talon. it;s pretty blocky as well. you can if you look at it actually see a relation to the stormtalon.


the dark angels actually have tried to produce fliers that look semi aerodynamic, but at it's core you can still see that blocky design aestetic.



In a nutshell the IoM just doesn't build their units fluid and nice (in fact I'm beginning to wonder if they can, perhaps one of the limits of their STC fragment based tech base is a tendancy towards block modularity?) it's not their aestetic. never will be.

METAL BAWKSES!