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Kangodo wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
... The Necron codex is not old. It works brilliantly and does not need an update, other than a few rules clarifications and Flayed Ones being... somethinged to make them worth taking over Warriors.

But compared to all the other Codices it is old and I'm not sure I would say it works 'brilliantly'.
Sure, they have an above 50% winchance on tournaments.. But I feel crap whenever I look to the 50+ models on my shelve that I cannot use.

You either have a heck of a lot of Pariahs or an insane number of Flayed Ones... or need to rethink how you use your models.

Maybe both, Flayed Ones are pretty awesome in a Maynarkh list.

 RivenSkull wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
It's definitely going to be nerfed.

MSS will get nerfed,
Wraiths with most likely get a points increase with a slight nerf.
Annihilation barge will get a price increase for sure.

Hopefully Lychguard/Praetorians and Stalker all get the point reduction they need.


To be honest, I don't think too much will change. The Necrons were given a full remake from a lacking model size to what they are now, and they've sold very well for the past few years. And there's always the hope that Ward writes it again

The problem with Praetorians is not that the are mispriced, but that they are functionally identical in most cases to Wraiths, only slightly worse because they aren't as fast. Thus they serve no purpose.

Kangodo wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
... The Necron codex is not old. It works brilliantly and does not need an update, other than a few rules clarifications and Flayed Ones being... somethinged to make them worth taking over Warriors.

But compared to all the other Codices it is old and I'm not sure I would say it works 'brilliantly'.
Sure, they have an above 50% winchance on tournaments.. But I feel crap whenever I look to the 50+ models on my shelve that I cannot use.

I think it works just fine. By 'works', I mean that everything in there interacts perfectly well with the current issue of the rules, nothing is outdated, and nothing is irrelevant. Even leaving the relatively decent balance of the codex aside, I would argue there's no 'need' to update it all, but the same could be said of any post-5th codex that has been updated really. Doesn't stop GW, though, as they know that people will happily spend £30 just because they ask them to, even when the current product is completely compatible and works fine.

Alcibiades wrote:

 RivenSkull wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
It's definitely going to be nerfed.

MSS will get nerfed,
Wraiths with most likely get a points increase with a slight nerf.
Annihilation barge will get a price increase for sure.

Hopefully Lychguard/Praetorians and Stalker all get the point reduction they need.


To be honest, I don't think too much will change. The Necrons were given a full remake from a lacking model size to what they are now, and they've sold very well for the past few years. And there's always the hope that Ward writes it again

The problem with Praetorians is not that the are mispriced, but that they are functionally identical in most cases to Wraiths, only slightly worse because they aren't as fast. Thus they serve no purpose.

Well, they actually are overcosted as is. They have 1 attack base, whereas Wraiths have 3. They have no Invlun, whereas wraiths have a 3+. If praetorians were 25 points a model, I'd probably bring some as they are now, since a D-lord would help them with a Rez Orb.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:

Kangodo wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
... The Necron codex is not old. It works brilliantly and does not need an update, other than a few rules clarifications and Flayed Ones being... somethinged to make them worth taking over Warriors.

But compared to all the other Codices it is old and I'm not sure I would say it works 'brilliantly'.
Sure, they have an above 50% winchance on tournaments.. But I feel crap whenever I look to the 50+ models on my shelve that I cannot use.

You either have a heck of a lot of Pariahs or an insane number of Flayed Ones... or need to rethink how you use your models.

Maybe both, Flayed Ones are pretty awesome in a Maynarkh list.

Lychguard aren't worth taking (sadly), C'tan shards aren't either. Then there's Flayed Ones, Praetorians, Destroyers, Heavy Destroyers, Tomb Blades, Monoliths, ext. I'm not saying these units are bad, but are incredibly unbalanced with the rest of the codex. Why take 10 S5 Gauss shots for 200 points what you could bring 10 Rapid-fire S5 shots with Gauss for 170? And you could give that 170 point unit a Night Scythe....

My issue with Necrons, besides lack of flavor or synergy, is that most things are just outshined by troops. Elites should be exactly that, but considering troops do what most Elites do, but cheaper, meh?

GW loved necrons back when wraiths came out. They loved daemons back when daemons came out, they loved Tau when Tau came out.

GW doesn't love.... DA and Orks. Though this is the internet, GW hates everything.

They love humanity still... They don't want to join the Greater Good that they made up, nor do they want to be possessed by the sorcerers they made up, nor do they want their soles spliced by the technology they came up with. Slaanesh on the other hand... He/She loves almost everything. Want to die? The Slaanesh makes you enjoy aaaaaaggggghhhh! dying!

Well, the rumors of Necrons in 2015 are pretty much assured to be true by process of elimination... since they are the last major faction without a 7th codex

I'm more interested in what new, cool models they will give Necrons. I don't have a necron army yet, but I'm sure looking forward to building one

well lets hope they come out with rules for a Transcendent C'Tan that doesnt completely break the game and fixes the one that is currently being played. that thing is silly silly silly.

Talys wrote:
I'm more interested in what new, cool models they will give Necrons.

All indications from reliable rumor sources seem to point to the Necrons not getting anything new in the codex. It's looking more like a fix up/minimal update along the lines of what the Gray Knights got.
Expect nerfs a plenty.

well the flyers will cost more for SURE though they might not actually change what they do.

So yeah., I think rebalancing things is pretty critical and I love the direction of the codex's. Brinigng things down to earth is cool.

Also I frigging hate Forge World and want it to burn to the ground (in the nicest possible way with no casualties reported) so we can put a stop to THAT madness.

In an unrelated hope, Escalation is also a mistake and can probably have its publishing revoked and merged back to Apocalypse where it belonged and still does.

But yeah. The Necrons. Letrs fix that C'Tan, shall we?

 skoffs wrote:

Talys wrote:
I'm more interested in what new, cool models they will give Necrons.

All indications from reliable rumor sources seem to point to the Necrons not getting anything new in the codex. It's looking more like a fix up/minimal update along the lines of what the Gray Knights got.
Expect nerfs a plenty.

They will nerf some and they will buff some. They have to sell models so total nerfing is not going to happen. Doing the old switcheroo (nerf some, buff some) makes everyone happy and most importantly generates revenue.

Take your bets on what the next chase Necron unit will be. Monolith? Praetorian? Doomsday Ark? Destroyers? Flayed Ones? C'tan Shards?

Also take bets on what units hit the shelves. Wraiths? Annihilation Barges? Scarabs? Death Marks?

The only prediction I am making is that the Monolith will be a definite THING. The theme so far with the new codexes has been DROP POD.

col_impact wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

Talys wrote:
I'm more interested in what new, cool models they will give Necrons.

All indications from reliable rumor sources seem to point to the Necrons not getting anything new in the codex. It's looking more like a fix up/minimal update along the lines of what the Gray Knights got.
Expect nerfs a plenty.

They will nerf some and they will buff some. They have to sell models so total nerfing is not going to happen. Doing the old switcheroo (nerf some, buff some) makes everyone happy and most importantly generates revenue.

Take your bets on what the next chase Necron unit will be. Monolith? Praetorian? Doomsday Ark? Destroyers? Flayed Ones? C'tan Shards?

Also take bets on what units hit the shelves. Wraiths? Annihilation Barges? Scarabs? Death Marks?

The only prediction I am making is that the Monolith will be a definite THING. The theme so far with the new codexes has been DROP POD.

what are the rules for the transcendent C'tan?

Broken. Lol. It's crazy pants good but I dont have one nor own the book so i cant tell ya. But it is pretty... pretty ridonculous.

I will be shocked if Destroyers are still garbage after this.

 skoffs wrote:
I will be shocked if Destroyers are still garbage after this.

Yeah, I miss good old Destroyer Wing. 15 Destroyers and 9 Heavy Destroyers, which were jetbikes... Let's not forget about those S6 AP4 36" Assault 3 guns on regular Destroyers either.

I'd be happy with the current iteration, only given a price cut and some additional wargear options.
Eg.
Tesla cannons
Particle weaponry
Heat ray weaponry
Transdimensional beamers
"Heavy" upgrade grants increased armor + slow and purposeful (for relentless on their newly available heavy weaponry)
Ditch gun all together and take Warscythes (or dual hyperphase swords?)

 skoffs wrote:
Ditch gun all together and take Warscythes (or dual hyperphase swords?)

+1 on this.

A fast melee unit that has resurrection protocols (and not suck) would be great to pair with Destroyer Lords. Wriaths are good, but no res, and Praetorians need an upgrade (which would be fine too). The thought of 4-5 Destroyers with Lord, all equipped with Warscythes makes me want to spend a bunch of cash on new models. If GW wants to move those new Destroyer models that are coming out (rumored) they need to have a melee option.

I wish they would do a valid, actually awesome fast attack model.

lliu wrote:
I wish they would do a valid, actually awesome fast attack model.

2e Scarabs were things of beauty.

That said, I can't believe you dislike the Tomb Stalker and the new Wraith! They're beautiful.

In a, uh, gribbly tentacular too-many-legs crustacian/insectile kind of way, anyway.

Night Scythes will go up in points with out a doubt. I do not want a new Necron codex.

My 4 shot Haywire guys will prob get nerfed or ho up in price also. Only 25 pts now.

The Necron codex will most likely launch in January 2015.

Night Scythes, CCB, Crypteks will get nerfed, and it´s actually okay. I am saying that as an owner of a 1750 point Necron force.

I don't think so actually. You need more competitive armies not less. You take another army out of the running.

If all codices are brought down in power then the scale changes, and you can have a "competitive" army without the ridicilously overpowered things like the CCB, or the outrageously cheap Night Scythes and Crypteks.

Ofcourse on a concretical level that won´t happen before the Eldar get a new Codex/a FAQ that shuts them down a bit.

Even if the current slightly broken units were put in place ( meaning adjusting them to be good, not this good ) the Necrons would still be a competitive army. And other things will probably get buffed, that increases the options for creating a competitive force.

For Necrons I think that GW will have less options to bring them in line.
I guess we'll see some point adaptions and nerfs for some war gear and weapons.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

lliu wrote:
I wish they would do a valid, actually awesome fast attack model.

2e Scarabs were things of beauty.

That said, I can't believe you dislike the Tomb Stalker and the new Wraith! They're beautiful.

In a, uh, gribbly tentacular too-many-legs crustacian/insectile kind of way, anyway.

They are awesome, but that gives my girlfriend (I'm 11, I know) the creeps. She was looking at me, as I had her over, and still, it IS a bit odd for Egyptian Zombies.

Hee. So cute. But if you can break her of the 'ew' fallacy, she'll be even more awesome

 RunicFIN wrote:
The Necron codex will most likely launch in January 2015.

Night Scythes, CCB, Crypteks will get nerfed, and it´s actually okay. I am saying that as an owner of a 1750 point Necron force.

Whats so OP about Crypteks? I've never heard anyone complaining about them, other than the Despairtek, which, honestly, they could fix the exploits with just NOT allowing them to go with Deathmarks. Why would anyone be with Deathmarks anyway. Doesn't make sense fluff-wise.

Then you have the Haywire cryptek, which, is 12" range, in an army where you really don't need much more help killing vehicles.

Because 25 points for an Everliving model with a S5 AP3 assault 3 weapon is bloomin cheap?

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Because 25 points for an Everliving model with a S5 AP3 assault 3 weapon is bloomin cheap?

Eh, again, 5+ FNP essentially, 4+ save, and that's it. And the harbringers get more expensive, for the same survivability.

As someone who sits on the receiving end of those haywire weapons, I won't hide the fact that me and my Pask squad loathe those weapons. Few things are more disheartening than watching a croissant unload models that forces a trio of AV 14 vehicles to check for anal circumference.