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Zewrath wrote: As someone who sits on the receiving end of those haywire weapons, I won't hide the fact that me and my Pask squad loathe those weapons. Few things are more disheartening than watching a croissant unload models that forces a trio of AV 14 vehicles to check for anal circumference.
Well, yes. But at the same time, I feel like someone who uses 3 Dreadknights cries when people bring grav weapons. Haywire was meant to kill vehicles, though I'm sorry that it does it a bit too well. Otherwise, we'd have Gauss, which isn't as effective, and not everything can get within range before being killed.
Zewrath wrote: As someone who sits on the receiving end of those haywire weapons, I won't hide the fact that me and my Pask squad loathe those weapons. Few things are more disheartening than watching a croissant unload models that forces a trio of AV 14 vehicles to check for anal circumference.
Well, yes. But at the same time, I feel like someone who uses 3 Dreadknights cries when people bring grav weapons. Haywire was meant to kill vehicles, though I'm sorry that it does it a bit too well. Otherwise, we'd have Gauss, which isn't as effective, and not everything can get within range before being killed.
Oh, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be counters against AV14 or that they are über broken, I'm just saying that I hate to watch my usually sturdy vehicles being melted like butter and my glasses are tinted against them, because I'm the player that likes to field tanks.
In all honesty though, I don't think I would mind them so much if it weren't for the fact that they are relatively cheap, although one could easily argue that increasing their cost makes them largely unattractive, due the already high volume of AT weapons.
Zewrath wrote: As someone who sits on the receiving end of those haywire weapons, I won't hide the fact that me and my Pask squad loathe those weapons. Few things are more disheartening than watching a croissant unload models that forces a trio of AV 14 vehicles to check for anal circumference.
Well, yes. But at the same time, I feel like someone who uses 3 Dreadknights cries when people bring grav weapons. Haywire was meant to kill vehicles, though I'm sorry that it does it a bit too well. Otherwise, we'd have Gauss, which isn't as effective, and not everything can get within range before being killed.
Oh, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be counters against AV14 or that they are über broken, I'm just saying that I hate to watch my usually sturdy vehicles being melted like butter and my glasses are tinted against them, because I'm the player that likes to field tanks.
In all honesty though, I don't think I would mind them so much if it weren't for the fact that they are relatively cheap, although one could easily argue that increasing their cost makes them largely unattractive, due the already high volume of AT weapons.
I can't argue with anything you've said. 25 points is a pretty attractive price, but I still don't like the fragile model it's on. 25 points for a 4+ armor and one wound. Eeeehhhhhhh.
I'll agree that the number of haywire shots is a bit excessive and could do with a reduction. The voltaic staff - if memory serves - has four shots and I think it would be fine to have one or two shots taken off.
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King Pariah wrote: I'll agree that the number of haywire shots is a bit excessive and could do with a reduction. The voltaic staff - if memory serves - has four shots and I think it would be fine to have one or two shots taken off.
Eh, Maybe make it a 5 point increase over a regular cryptek, and have 3 shots. But, even the, it's 30 points for a 4+ armor save dude with 12" gun......
AP 1 S8 treat leadership as toughness flamer. So... Generally wounds on a 5 or 4, but hits a bunch of times. Pretty okay. Great damage output if mixed with Deathmarks and flinging 2+ AP 1 wounds around at a critical unit.
Can take as wargear a device for re-deep striking every round, which also plays well with Deathmarks, especially if you're not into flyerspam. Using him this way will get the unit killed next turn, mind you. Even if you completely killed the only unit he can 2+ wound. People are irrational that way.
Of course, being able to deep strike every turn is great even without that for some strategies.
His other wargear item is a forgettable morale test inducing shooting attack. Might be nice if he got it for free and was out of flamer range, but not worth taking.
The current Necron codex (before the new one hits) is the #3 codex in the game right now and arguably could be the very best depending on your style of play.
The new codex coming out is totally going to nerf it to oblivion
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mk2 wrote: The current Necron codex (before the new one hits) is the #3 codex in the game right now and arguably could be the very best depending on your style of play.
The new codex coming out is totally going to nerf it to oblivion
Unless they copypaste the rules and just add a bunch of pics. Not likely, almost impossible, but hey, with GW anything can happen!
mk2 wrote: The current Necron codex (before the new one hits) is the #3 codex in the game right now and arguably could be the very best depending on your style of play.
The new codex coming out is totally going to nerf it to oblivion
Rankings put it around #5, sometimes 4 and sometimes 6.
All of that because two units are heavily undercosted, otherwise it'd be around #12.
Sorry to burst the Necron-hate-bubble, but the Codex sucks and it will receive more buffs than nerfs.
But it will also upset the tournament players that stacked up on flyers and barges.
And it will also upset some people that can't deal with Necrons and freak out because certain stuff isn't nerfed.
The current edition Necron codex is amazing! I have ZERO complaints about it. I hope the new one next year doesn't nerf the gak out of everything (particularly flyers and MSS haha, and tesla)
Talking of The Necrons, have you seen the model for the Shield of Bhaal overlord? Mephrit the Ineffable.
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
mk2 wrote: The current Necron codex (before the new one hits) is the #3 codex in the game right now and arguably could be the very best depending on your style of play.
The new codex coming out is totally going to nerf it to oblivion
Rankings put it around #5, sometimes 4 and sometimes 6.
All of that because two units are heavily undercosted, otherwise it'd be around #12.
Sorry to burst the Necron-hate-bubble, but the Codex sucks and it will receive more buffs than nerfs.
But it will also upset the tournament players that stacked up on flyers and barges.
And it will also upset some people that can't deal with Necrons and freak out because certain stuff isn't nerfed.
I agree. It will most likely be a sideways nerf/buff where people will wind up having to BUY MODELS to replace the nerfed models with the buffed ones. Imagine that!
Furyou Miko wrote: Talking of The Necrons, have you seen the model for the Shield of Bhaal overlord? Mephrit the Ineffable.
Mephrit is the name of the Dynasty.
The Overlord's name is Zarathusa the Ineffable.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
RunicFIN wrote: The Necron codex will most likely launch in January 2015.
Night Scythes, CCB, Crypteks will get nerfed, and it´s actually okay. I am saying that as an owner of a 1750 point Necron force.
Whats so OP about Crypteks? I've never heard anyone complaining about them, other than the Despairtek, which, honestly, they could fix the exploits with just NOT allowing them to go with Deathmarks. Why would anyone be with Deathmarks anyway. Doesn't make sense fluff-wise.
Then you have the Haywire cryptek, which, is 12" range, in an army where you really don't need much more help killing vehicles.
The cryptek Haywire blasters are really awesome. i know that much. But i dont think "broken" is really a word i use to describe necrons unless you loook at ther cost of the Night Scythes. Crypteks seemed fine to me.
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I thought the current Necron codex was considered really good? Like, top tier army level good?
I'm guessing you're having difficulties playing them, because I very rarely see a bad Necron thread (that's not complaining about facing the Croissants of doom)
Izural wrote: I thought the current Necron codex was considered really good? Like, top tier army level good?
I'm guessing you're having difficulties playing them, because I very rarely see a bad Necron thread (that's not complaining about facing the Croissants of doom)
It was top tier.. If you spammed the same three same models.
I thought that was boring, so now I have around 30 Lychguard, 20 Flayed Ones, 50 Immortals and every HQ.
Not to forget my two Triarch Stalkers and Monoliths.
Sadly they are all crap and I'm pretty much giving myself a handicap if I play them.
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