Formations and FOC, adding a Painboy to the Green Tide?

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**Melevolence**

PogSaves wrote:
Hiya, I have seen someone mention having a Painboy as part of the Green Tide formation from WAAAGH Ghazghkull, to give the entire unit FNP.
I don't think I understand how formations work properly, because I thought the formation had to be exactly what is listed in the codex/supplement, and the green tide just says 1 Warboss, 10 units of boyz.
So how can a Painboy be added?

Or is the formation used as part of the standard supplement detachment FOC? (The Great WAAAGH detachment in this case).

Sorry if this is a dumb question, just a bit confused. Thanks in advance,

But to answer the actual question: You may have IC join a formation as long as a formation doesn't have rules stating otherwise. But you'd need to bring a CAD in order to access the desired HQS.

For for example if I took a Bully Boyz formation, I may take a CAD so I can put a Mega Warboss into one of the squads of Bully Boyz if I so desired.

Edit: Also formations do not take up any space on your CAD. So if you took Bully Boyz with your normal WAAAGH CAD, those Bully Boyz don't count as using Elite slots in the chart.

**mrfantastical**

coredump wrote:
Multimoog wrote:
You're not actually processing what I'm writing and just restating the same reasons why you think it "can't" work, so I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. Anyone can read what I've written and decide for themselves if it's something they want to field. I've been winning games in my local meta with it, so again, *shrug*.
Because you keep writing and ignoring reality.
Somehow this unit will be too spread out to worry about barrage, but so close together that KFF will cover 85%.
It will be helped by all the 'other' units, then you only take one other unit.
It is really slow, so you plan on balancing that with an even *slower* unit.
You claim it will easily kill a unit a turn with shootas, but will be too spread out to get even half of them in range.
You brag about 80 shots, but ignore BS 2 S4 in the calculations.
Somehow you get hit with 12 S6 small blasts every turn, but only lose 11 models
You act like KFF+FnP is some bastion of resilency, when it really is just a 4+ save.
I ask how you will take objectives with one slow unit, and you provide a list with 2 slow units.
You have *no shooting*
You hve *no anti-air*
You have no Objective secured.
You have nothing to stop a waveserpent from tankshocking your GT blob and stealing the objective. (or many other OS tanks)

So tell us, what unit is that GT ever going to kill? Shootas are bad, sluggas make it a joke.

When I destroy that Trukk, how many turns will it take the CoW to actually get into combat..?? 3? 4?....??

You keep trying to have it both ways, the PKs will be spread out, but somehow always where you need them for assault.

I am "processing" what you are saying just fine. (but hey, thanks for the heavy handed condescension), but what you are saying just doesn't add up. You are not even internally consistent....

Edit: I believe you when you say you are winnning games in your 'local meta'. You should see some of the lists I win with in my local meta. Doesn't make them a good unit/formation....

So here's my thoughts. I've played 3 games with 2 KFF's in the front & spaced my tide to a maximum 2" between each model. That creates a greentide footprint of about 6' x 1.5' walking/running up the board. In every game so far my KFF's were practically non-existent. Because of the direction of fire, LoS, and placement of the KFF's they never seemed to be in the right place to protect the tide. It would have been better to take the points and spent them elsewhere because the Painboy was a better value buy.

For me spreading out your tide so that less models can be under a blast marker is the same as bunching the models together for KFF coverage, which seems to be the only way to get KFF coverage. I personally would rather spread my tide out.