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With my IG, I force myself to buy some appropriate flavourful upgrades for my commander - even though they're all badly overcosted and almost entirely pointless.
blood reaper wrote: I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
All of my Emperor's Children are in squads of 6 where possible, and everything has Mark of Slaanesh [even Obliterators, Decimators and Cultists]. It's a Slaanesh army, why wouldn't they have Mark of Slaanesh? I run all of my marines as Noise Marines, with sonics. A Noise Marine without a sonic weapon aint a Noise Marine. Don't even mention Khorne to me.
I limit myself to 9 wave serpents and 45 dire avengers in a 2k list. My HQ is usually a Farseer to burn off those last, useless points. I don't like to get too crazy.
Moktor wrote: I limit myself to 9 wave serpents and 45 dire avengers in a 2k list. My HQ is usually a Farseer to burn off those last, useless points. I don't like to get too crazy.
I only take Celestine Ephrael Stern when I know I'm facing Chaos. Not because she's especially effective against them, but because that's the only time it's reasonable for her to turn up.
I always take the same Canonesses - Imelda Ecrire, with Power Maul, Inferno Pistol, Rosarius and Mantle of Ophelia - and Muriel Toki, with Blade of Admonition, Inferno Pistol and Rosarius.
Hm.
I only use Deimos-pattern Rhino hulls aside from my Immolators. Mostly because otherwise the newer MkIII rhinos wouldn't fit in with my ancient (actual) MkII Rhinos.
Oh. And for Chaos, I always take a Warpsmith with Scrolls of Magnus, because I can only have psykers but I like me some tech. Optimal? Heck no, but fun? She occasionally does something useful.
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
I always take the same Canonesses - Imelda Ecrire, with Power Maul, Inferno Pistol, Rosarius and Mantle of Ophelia - and Muriel Toki, with Blade of Admonition, Inferno Pistol and Rosarius.
Any particular reason?
blood reaper wrote: I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
Because they're written into my fluff. Imelda Ecrire is the current Canoness of the Order of the Sacred Tome, while Muriel Toki is the oldest (and most experienced) Seeker in the Order - the Seekers being those members of the Order who scour the galaxy for pieces of the Emperor's Great Work.
The Blade and Mantle aren't the actual Blade and Mantle - those are in the reliquaries of their respective Orders - but are good representations of Ecrire's impossible luck and Toki's lightsaber.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
Furyou Miko wrote: Because they're written into my fluff. Imelda Ecrire is the current Canoness of the Order of the Sacred Tome, while Muriel Toki is the oldest (and most experienced) Seeker in the Order - the Seekers being those members of the Order who scour the galaxy for pieces of the Emperor's Great Work.
The Blade and Mantle aren't the actual Blade and Mantle - those are in the reliquaries of their respective Orders - but are good representations of Ecrire's impossible luck and Toki's lightsaber.
Interesting.
Out of curiosity, how well does your Canoness actually do on the table?
blood reaper wrote: I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
Pretty well, actually. Imelda has seen a lot more action than Toki - I've only used the latter a few times.
Imelda does very well as an addition to a melta-minion squad. In small games (around 500 points or so), I don't bother with the power maul and just give her a chainsword though, so I guess that's a slight subversion on the 'always' part of my post. She does most of her damage at range - the inferno pistol with BS5 is just an insane piece of kit, especially when you combine it with the Dominions' Act of Faith.
If I have Muriel in the army, she takes over with the Dominions and then Imelda rides to battle with a command squad kitted out for close combat - dual power weapons, Hospitaller, Sacred Banner, and a Priest. I've had some fun with them backing up two massive blob-squads with dual priests.
I haven't yet tried putting both canonesses in the same melta-minion squad. I haven't yet come up against an enemy unit that needs that many melta shots to put down.
Eventually, I mean to experiment with a dual inferno pistol Canoness to accompany the Melta-minions... but so far, it's proved pretty much unnecessary.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
Furyou Miko wrote: Pretty well, actually. Imelda has seen a lot more action than Toki - I've only used the latter a few times.
Imelda does very well as an addition to a melta-minion squad. In small games (around 500 points or so), I don't bother with the power maul and just give her a chainsword though, so I guess that's a slight subversion on the 'always' part of my post. She does most of her damage at range - the inferno pistol with BS5 is just an insane piece of kit, especially when you combine it with the Dominions' Act of Faith.
If I have Muriel in the army, she takes over with the Dominions and then Imelda rides to battle with a command squad kitted out for close combat - dual power weapons, Hospitaller, Sacred Banner, and a Priest. I've had some fun with them backing up two massive blob-squads with dual priests.
I haven't yet tried putting both canonesses in the same melta-minion squad. I haven't yet come up against an enemy unit that needs that many melta shots to put down.
Eventually, I mean to experiment with a dual inferno pistol Canoness to accompany the Melta-minions... but so far, it's proved pretty much unnecessary.
Interesting, thanks for sharing that.
You've also made me feel better about the points I spend (read 'waste' ) on my IG characters.
blood reaper wrote: I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
jreilly89 wrote: Hey, that sounds awesome. I'd rather lose and play an army I love, than win playing Bordar or Taurrible (bad attempt at 40k puns)
Because no one that plays them loves Tau or Eldar?
I think there's a lot more wrong with your post than just the puns.
No, thats fine if other people love them, I just find them boring both fluffwise and gameplay wise. I think you assuming things is more wrong than my post
I play a corsair themed army so everything is mounted on bikes or tanks and I don't use any aspect warrior models, although I have converted up alternative models for all shrines except shadow spectres out of a combination of dark eldar and eldar bitz. Unfortunatly it has proved to be a bit to effective for fun games so I've been taking more wraith units to make it more fun for my group.
My armies:
vior'la sept 12k
Erik Morkai's great company 6k
dark mechanicus, the dearth of hope, 8k
rothwyr morwan's company 1,5k
Adeptus custodes 2k
AoS, The forgotten order, SE, 3k
Playing with my Chaos armies, I've never run a Heldrake and probably never will. They're not even stupid anymore, but I just don't find the model appealing and I don't like flyers.
Ditto - I don't use any Decepticons/Daemon Engines. I think they look awful, but it could have something to do with me being old fashioned.
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Furyou Miko wrote: Pretty well, actually. Imelda has seen a lot more action than Toki - I've only used the latter a few times.
Imelda does very well as an addition to a melta-minion squad. In small games (around 500 points or so), I don't bother with the power maul and just give her a chainsword though, so I guess that's a slight subversion on the 'always' part of my post. She does most of her damage at range - the inferno pistol with BS5 is just an insane piece of kit, especially when you combine it with the Dominions' Act of Faith.
If I have Muriel in the army, she takes over with the Dominions and then Imelda rides to battle with a command squad kitted out for close combat - dual power weapons, Hospitaller, Sacred Banner, and a Priest. I've had some fun with them backing up two massive blob-squads with dual priests.
I haven't yet tried putting both canonesses in the same melta-minion squad. I haven't yet come up against an enemy unit that needs that many melta shots to put down.
Eventually, I mean to experiment with a dual inferno pistol Canoness to accompany the Melta-minions... but so far, it's proved pretty much unnecessary.
I see your Canoness and raise you Lord Kraxis the Allchosen, a 320 pt beatstick/squad buffer Chaos Lord. Homebrew, but he got approved by my local meta, so he's not that insane!
Special Rules: Fearless, Independent Character, Veterans of the Long War, Arrogant, Three Thousand Years of Hatred, Shock Tactics, Gifts of the Gods, Champion of Chaos, The Frost Wyrms, Allchosen, Mark of Chaos Favour, Eternal Warrior
Blackfire Blade:
Range:- S:+1 AP:2 Type: Melee, Blackfire
Blackfire: If Kraxis chooses to attack with the Blackfire Blade, it bestows +1 attack. In addition, anyone wishing to shoot at Kraxis or his squad while the Night Fighting rule is in effect can ignore the maximum range that Night Fighting incurs. The Shrouded special rule still takes effect if they do so.
Three Thousand Years of Hatred: If Kraxis is locked in combat with a Space Marine unit (As defined in Codex: Chaos Space Marines) he gains the Rampage special rule, as long as he is not in a challenge.
Arrogant: If Kraxis is in your primary detachment, he must be your Warlord. He may roll twice on the Warlord Traits table instead of once, re-rolling duplicates. Both rolls must be on the Codex: Chaos Space Marines Warlord Traits table. Any 5s rolled on the Warlord Traits table is treated as a 6. Furthermore, Kraxis must always join a Chaos Terminator squad at the start of the game, and may not leave this unit during the battle.
Shock Tactics: Kraxis and his squad must start the battle in reserve, and always Deep Strike the turn they enter play. When the unit Deep Strikes, they may re-roll the scatter dice if they wish.
Gifts of the Gods: Over the millennia Kraxis has received many ‘blessings’ from the Dark Gods, ranging from muscles as hard as steel to the ability to shrug off wounds that would cause great harm to any of his brethren. The Gifts of the Gods grant Kraxis +1 Strength and +1 Toughness, already included in his profile.
The Frost Wyrms: Kraxis never goes to war without the Frost Wyrms, his millennia-year old veteran bodyguard who followed him when he betrayed the Thunder Dragons chapter. If the controlling player wishes, the Chaos Terminator squad that Kraxis has joined may be upgraded to Frost Wyrms at the cost of +15 points per model. Frost Wyrms have +1 WS, +1 BS, and +1 W, and the Veterans of the Long War special rule.
Allchosen: Kraxis is the tyrannical leader of the Glacier Serpents, whose iron will has kept the Warband united and growing over the millennia. If he dies, the Glacier Serpents will be dismayed; if they are not scattered, they will at least be disorganised. If Kraxis is in your primary detachment, the enemy receives D3+1 victory points instead of 1 for the Slay the Warlord objective. In Purge the Alien, the Frost Wyrms are worth 2 victory points instead of 1.
Mark of Chaos Favour: Kraxis has a special Mark of Chaos signifying that all four gods favour him to an extent. While only Abaddon can truly wield all powers of the Gods to their fullest, Kraxis still enjoys a measure of blessings from each.
The Mark gives the Fear and Feel no Pain special rules to Kraxis and his squad, to represent the horrid reputation of such champions and the protection that they have been bestowed with.
For my Wolves: never ally with Dark Angels, those heretics. And back in 5th ed, I wouldn't take more than 2 squads of Long Fangs, nor would I ever use Jaws of the World Wolf.
Similarly, in 5th/6th I decided that the Doom of Malan'tai was a crutch and absolutely broken versus most opponents, so I decided not to use it anymore.
Deathwing = models in Terminator armor, Dreadnoughts, and Land Raiders. Anything more than those three types of units is not Deathwing, it's simply a Dark Angels army.
I always take a unit of Repentia, and *gasp* a full unit of Penitent Engines. Always have, Always will.I bought them, assembled them, and by the Emperor I WILL use them. Every time I'm ready to remove them from the roster, giving them just one more chance, they outperform their completely lackluster stats and overpricing. Its worth all the aggravation and frustration they bring me when the White Scars player gets the sheer look of horror as he realizes he just allowed himself to be multicharged (command bike squad, landraider, and attack bike squad...the LR alone made back the points, the 3 dead termies, attack bikes and few other from HQ were yummy extras) by a close combat vehicle squadron. Or the Taudar didnt think the Mistress and her last 2 eviscerators worth anymore shots.
But usually they are a waste of points and space, but they fit my army's theme so well, i cannot bring myslef to replace them with more useful bodies.
chromedog wrote: I always do this.
I won't use a model that I don't like the look of - regardless of how uber its stats are. And without a model, I won't use the unit.
(I had GK for close to 12 years. Never used draigo for example. Although that was also a combination of stupid fluff, duff stats and a bogus model.
If I ever played chaos, I'd NEVER play a Khorne marked sorcerer.
Second.
I detest Centurions; both their models and the fluff.
I don't like bikes much, ergo I don't wish to use them either.
I prefer using exclusively the Imperial Fists or Sentinels of Terra Chapter Tactics (sometimes BT allies), because my Chapter is the 7th Legion descendant - they just can't suddenly start working like Iron Hands, for example.
I basically discard the majority of my codex that makes it either strong or outright broken.
Thanks for that, Gee Dubs. I wish I could play well with the rest I allow to myself.
If I ever played chaos, I'd NEVER play a Khorne marked sorcerer.
I don't think you can get a Khorne Sorcerer. You can't in the 6th Ed codex, it strictly forbids it, and I don't think you could last time round either.
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If I ever played chaos, I'd NEVER play a Khorne marked sorcerer.
I don't think you can get a Khorne Sorcerer. You can't in the 6th Ed codex, it strictly forbids it, and I don't think you could last time round either.
You are correct. A sorceror cannot take a mark of Khorne, nor can a Daemon Prince of Khorne take any psychic powers.
I won't play with my Tau until they get balanced to be a sensible power level
For my fluffy CSM I stick to Tzeentch only marks. Don't play thousands sons but I do swear loyalty the god of Change. I use too many Decepticons not to.
I mostly find my main restrictions to do with the modelling side of the hobby, I restrict myself from buying from GW stores strictly eBay or trades, and even then some models are just too ugly to chase so I sit down and find a better way to make the but a good accurate and unique representation
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Herzlos wrote: I None of the extra stuff - fliers, fortifications, superheavies, knights, expansions, unbound.
Yeah, I do the same for all my armies.
blood reaper wrote: I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
Herzlos wrote: I None of the extra stuff - fliers, fortifications, superheavies, knights, expansions, unbound.
Yeah, I do the same for all my armies.
+1
I ignore allies 90% of the time, almost never take fortifications and ignore unbound. Flyers are kept to a minimum (and I used to warn an opponent beforehand, but now they're pretty standard in the game and everyone has a counter to them so it's not a big deal). Superheavies are relegated to apoc only, and are generally warned about beforehand.
jreilly89 wrote: Hey, that sounds awesome. I'd rather lose and play an army I love, than win playing Bordar or Taurrible (bad attempt at 40k puns)
Because no one that plays them loves Tau or Eldar?
I think there's a lot more wrong with your post than just the puns.
He's saying that HE would rather win with an army HE loves than play Tau and Eldar (which he obviously doesn't love). Doesn't say anything about others.
ANYCOW:
I would never use models/lists that are intentionally cheese or overly powerful.
I was (am?) a new player, but when I noticed Heldrakes were very strong because of their turret weapon, my first thought wasn't "Oh I should definately buy another 2". It might be fun to win and I regularly field a Heldrake but I know it's gonna overpreform 9/10 times so unless I know my opponent is at least at my level, I won't put it out.
Also, never... EVER will you see me play a netlist. I might use reviews and consult other people's netlists to ask why they field a unit in a particular way but I will never mindlessly copy a list. It'll always be my own creation.
You don't have to be happy when you lose, just don't make winning the condition of your happiness.
I like to max what I can from all the choices, lots of troops, some elite, more fast attack, some heavy and the couple HQ.
Basically, troop choices should be 2/3rds of the points (boys before toys).
Other limitation is where possible to play the fully painted models (3 color at absolute minimum).
Got 100 IG/AM foot troops with at least 5 colors on them now and trying to finish up.
In the end, more troops tend to add up to a lot of dakka and things to kill so both sides tend to have fun.
I guess it is all geared towards looks: lots of models painted in a way to look nice on the table.
If they happen to be geared to finding ways to win is nice as well...
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I always try to bring a balanced list, based on what my opponent has. Problem is, when we exchange lists before the game - as I try to make my list fair and beatable for my opponent - the people I play against try to tweak their list to guarantee a win.
I always lose, pretty much done playing the game itself and just painting/modeling now. My entire community is WAAC.
I don't run Riptides in my Tau army as it is on the frontier and do not have access to the newer technology. The actual reason though is mainly my hate for the uninspired "good against everything" design that riptides represent when things like crisis suits are suppose to be that versatile platform. The difference is that you have to make a choice with crisis suit weapons as to which type of thing they they are going to be used against.
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sand.zzz wrote: I always try to bring a balanced list, based on what my opponent has. Problem is, when we exchange lists before the game - as I try to make my list fair and beatable for my opponent - the people I play against try to tweak their list to guarantee a win.
I always lose, pretty much done playing the game itself and just painting/modeling now. My entire community is WAAC.
So bring your competitive list. If your meta is competitive and you acknowledge that but continue to bring "fair", fluffy lists, the meta isn't the problem...
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