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Makumba wrote:

No, he told his opponent he would be bringing Khorne, and tanks. His opponent just choose to disregard this and rely on a single a Thunder a Hammer and power fist for his dedicated AT. Lol.

If someone said to me he is going to bring a khorn list with tanks. I would never imagine ton of walkers and FW units. Zerker, rhinos , khorn lord and bikers yes. But not 50% of the list in AV units.

Besides on turn 1 expecting to knock out vehicle"s" with a single shot - that's pretty damn optimistic. I'm surprised someone entering a battle with that much confidence suddenly rage quit.

Well I can imagine that the tanks he would be facing would be rhinos, as when one thinks of khorn lists is tide lists and not AV spam with demon summoning.

If the only models the guy owns in a 2k collection of GK and SM are anti infantry, he fethed up. Nothing else to it. And if that's the case he should inform his opponents. Or play smaller size games and work on building a somewhat balanced less cheesy force.

he probably does. but he was told this is suppose to be a casual game against a khorn list. So the drop pod grav cent star stayed at home, as did the obligatory flyer transports for the mini GH squads.

That all being said, nobody forced him to take the game, if he was that upset about facing that many tanks he could have said it before he sat down

well his only way to win was to get turn 1, destroy the LoW, defiler and vindicator turn one and then play a normal game. And get his reservs from the formation. He did get turn 1, but failed in all the other ,which cost him a game. Now I know it maybe fun for the chaos player to beat up his opponent. But when you lost and you know you feel cheated by your opponent in what kind of a game you were suppose to play , the weekend is done. And sarcasm when your opponent has to do 3 things turn 1, helps little to make the game fun. And he was a "jerk" not because he lost,But because he wasted a gaming weekend weekend. Worse of it the chaos player seemed to have friends in the shop, so he could play more, while the marine player had the only option of driving home aka more wasted time and money.

I think you're reading into this a bit too much. This is all hearsay, so we don't actually know what happened, but based on this guy's description, the game was more than fair and he quit because he couldn't insta win. If your only way to win is to pull off a miracle Turn 1, then you have something wrong with your tactics. Honestly, the guy could've said "Hey, I didn't really bring any AT, can I have a couple minutes to tweak my list?" which I'm guessing the OP would have been fine with. It's all about communication and not being a jerk. They also could have played an objectives based game and the opponent could have sat back and won by VP.

I've lost games. I've lost games hard. Like, D-Day hard, absolute slaughters. I still played to the bitter end, sat and chatted with my opponent about what I could have changed, and guess what? I now have several friends at my LGS who I am itching to play against. Yeah, it sucks when your one game a week is an absolute stompfest, but you can always make the best of a bad situation. And at the end of the day, it's a game, you're supposed to have fun.

And even if what he said is true, you don't take a list with zero AT to a friendly game the. Complain when you lose to tanks. Tanks are part of the game, you should bring ways to deal with them in your list, instead of running round flipping out on everyone who brings armour. His list would have folded To the Vinidicator alone lol

 SHUPPET wrote:
And even if what he said is true, you don't take a list with zero AT to a friendly game the. Complain when you lose to tanks. Tanks are part of the game, you should bring ways to deal with them in your list, instead of running round flipping out on everyone who brings armour. His list would have folded To the Vinidicator alone lol

This. And again, it's not like every model in his army isn't armed with grenades if all else fails... Really, he had far more options to deal with armour than he realized.

Makumba wrote:

No, he told his opponent he would be bringing Khorne, and tanks. His opponent just choose to disregard this and rely on a single a Thunder a Hammer and power fist for his dedicated AT. Lol.

If someone said to me he is going to bring a khorn list with tanks. I would never imagine ton of walkers and FW units. Zerker, rhinos , khorn lord and bikers yes. But not 50% of the list in AV units.

Besides on turn 1 expecting to knock out vehicle"s" with a single shot - that's pretty damn optimistic. I'm surprised someone entering a battle with that much confidence suddenly rage quit.

Well I can imagine that the tanks he would be facing would be rhinos, as when one thinks of khorn lists is tide lists and not AV spam with demon summoning.

If the only models the guy owns in a 2k collection of GK and SM are anti infantry, he fethed up. Nothing else to it. And if that's the case he should inform his opponents. Or play smaller size games and work on building a somewhat balanced less cheesy force.

he probably does. but he was told this is suppose to be a casual game against a khorn list. So the drop pod grav cent star stayed at home, as did the obligatory flyer transports for the mini GH squads.

That all being said, nobody forced him to take the game, if he was that upset about facing that many tanks he could have said it before he sat down

well his only way to win was to get turn 1, destroy the LoW, defiler and vindicator turn one and then play a normal game. And get his reservs from the formation. He did get turn 1, but failed in all the other ,which cost him a game. Now I know it maybe fun for the chaos player to beat up his opponent. But when you lost and you know you feel cheated by your opponent in what kind of a game you were suppose to play , the weekend is done. And sarcasm when your opponent has to do 3 things turn 1, helps little to make the game fun. And he was a "jerk" not because he lost,But because he wasted a gaming weekend weekend. Worse of it the chaos player seemed to have friends in the shop, so he could play more, while the marine player had the only option of driving home aka more wasted time and money.

Well, the OP did let his opponent include a Knight Erant....how much more anti-armour do you need???? That Knight could probably wipe out every single one of his armoured units and then proceed to stomp all over his infantry.

The fact that his opponent reacted the way he did but also fielded a Space Wolves and GKs army (the new internet hotness) and also had a Knight handy makes me think the opponent was the worst type of gamer, not the OP.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

Makumba wrote:

No, he told his opponent he would be bringing Khorne, and tanks. His opponent just choose to disregard this and rely on a single a Thunder a Hammer and power fist for his dedicated AT. Lol.

If someone said to me he is going to bring a khorn list with tanks. I would never imagine ton of walkers and FW units. Zerker, rhinos , khorn lord and bikers yes. But not 50% of the list in AV units.

Besides on turn 1 expecting to knock out vehicle"s" with a single shot - that's pretty damn optimistic. I'm surprised someone entering a battle with that much confidence suddenly rage quit.

Well I can imagine that the tanks he would be facing would be rhinos, as when one thinks of khorn lists is tide lists and not AV spam with demon summoning.

If the only models the guy owns in a 2k collection of GK and SM are anti infantry, he fethed up. Nothing else to it. And if that's the case he should inform his opponents. Or play smaller size games and work on building a somewhat balanced less cheesy force.

he probably does. but he was told this is suppose to be a casual game against a khorn list. So the drop pod grav cent star stayed at home, as did the obligatory flyer transports for the mini GH squads.

That all being said, nobody forced him to take the game, if he was that upset about facing that many tanks he could have said it before he sat down

well his only way to win was to get turn 1, destroy the LoW, defiler and vindicator turn one and then play a normal game. And get his reservs from the formation. He did get turn 1, but failed in all the other ,which cost him a game. Now I know it maybe fun for the chaos player to beat up his opponent. But when you lost and you know you feel cheated by your opponent in what kind of a game you were suppose to play , the weekend is done. And sarcasm when your opponent has to do 3 things turn 1, helps little to make the game fun. And he was a "jerk" not because he lost,But because he wasted a gaming weekend weekend. Worse of it the chaos player seemed to have friends in the shop, so he could play more, while the marine player had the only option of driving home aka more wasted time and money.

Well, the OP did let his opponent include a Knight Erant....how much more anti-armour do you need???? That Knight could probably wipe out every single one of his armoured units and then proceed to stomp all over his infantry.

The fact that his opponent reacted the way he did but also fielded a Space Wolves and GKs army (the new internet hotness) and also had a Knight handy makes me think the opponent was the worst type of gamer, not the OP.

Long quote. But QFT. Guy sounds like a major douche. I had my first 40k game since 4th/5th edition last week. Guy I played against took a knight, and two stormtalons. Destroyed 600pts of my 1500pts list in the first turn. Just laughted it off; it's a game. Jesus.

The first thing I imagine on hearing 'Khorne list with tanks' coming from the Chaos Marine book is actually Land Raiders. Then maybe combat walkers. Frankly I'd have set up with multiple ways to crack AV14 at range against that kind of list. If the knight was his only ranged answer that's his own fault.

OP, judging by the style of how you wrote this post, you don't honestly think for a second that you're a WAAC player. And if your story is true, then it shouldn't take a bunch of anonymous posters telling you that you're right to help you figure this one out.

Makumba wrote:
Worse of it the chaos player seemed to have friends in the shop, so he could play more, while the marine player had the only option of driving home aka more wasted time and money.

I would like to point out that my opponent is also quite good with the folks in the LGS and he could have asked my friend for a game as my opponent has played many a game with this friend before..

As to what was within his collection I was unsure what he brought exactly with him on the day, like I say I can only recall the units that were on the board and reserve rolls my opponent rolled from memory however my opponent has played for a good amount of years and does have a large collection..

In terms of books I recall he used the latest SW, GK book with also the Champions of Fenris supplement as well iirc..

As to account of bias within the OP as I have seen others mention, I have tried to make it as neutral as possible and as I have said in the OP that this is what I recall and remember from the day.

Your opponent made some poor decisions with his list, especially the major lack of anti armour support. I find it funny how he's the one who brought a knight, to what was supposed to be a casual game. It's almost as if he was list tailoring against your Orks, which would make sense of his lack of AT support, if he was going for maximum anti horde.

No Anti Tank? Bull gak
What are Dread knights and Melta Titans?


Though honestly the sorcerer thing is my only miff.

Yea, whining that you don't have anti tank when 700-800 points of your list is top tier anti tank models just screams "TFG" to me. IK and dread knights are some of the best anti tank you can have.

 Desubot wrote:
No Anti Tank? Bull gak
What are Dread knights and Melta Titans?


Though honestly the sorcerer thing is my only miff.

To be fair though its not like I was exploiting rules mainly because I was using only Khorne daemons, no other of the ruinous powers..

So units designed for combat that gets summoned and placed on the board via Deep Strike that cannot assault the turn they come on did not really seem that bad to me..

Just sending out Bloodletters (and if I got the rolls there could have been the summoning of Bloodcrushers)..

 happygolucky wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
No Anti Tank? Bull gak
What are Dread knights and Melta Titans?


Though honestly the sorcerer thing is my only miff.

To be fair though its not like I was exploiting rules mainly because I was using only Khorne daemons, no other of the ruinous powers..

So units designed for combat that gets summoned and placed on the board via Deep Strike that cannot assault the turn they come on did not really seem that bad to me..

Just sending out Bloodletters (and if I got the rolls there could have been the summoning of Bloodcrushers)..

I know it wasnt about exploiting rules. just Khorne + Sorcerer = Rage .

 Desubot wrote:

 happygolucky wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
No Anti Tank? Bull gak
What are Dread knights and Melta Titans?


Though honestly the sorcerer thing is my only miff.

To be fair though its not like I was exploiting rules mainly because I was using only Khorne daemons, no other of the ruinous powers..

So units designed for combat that gets summoned and placed on the board via Deep Strike that cannot assault the turn they come on did not really seem that bad to me..

Just sending out Bloodletters (and if I got the rolls there could have been the summoning of Bloodcrushers)..

I know it wasnt about exploiting rules. just Khorne + Sorcerer = Rage .

Ah ok well tbf though I have read somewhere that there arte Khorne Sorcerers in fluff, but Khorne does treat them as if they are a dead body under the floorboards so to say

But its easier just to say a NL Sorcerer for hire

Best part is 5 people actually said yes

I feel my casual force would have stood a good chance vs that list so no, you were good. I don't understand things like this, what ever happened to holding the line? These heretics need to pay for every inch of board in blood.

It sounds to me like you agreed to fight a close combat game, you didn't agree to bring intentionally weak lists (or horde lists with no armor). So your opponent should have put together a balanced list of his own, that would stand a chance regardless of what you brought. Don't ever assume you know what your opponent is bringing; be prepared for anything. That's the nature of the game. Hopefully he learned a lesson about list tailoring - DON'T DO IT unless both players explicitly agree to it. It's unsportsmanlike in most cases, and if you get caught flat-footed when the other guy changes things up at the last minute, it's your own damn fault.

Makumba wrote:
He did get turn 1, but failed in all the other ,which cost him a game.

What cost him the game was his pee-poor list that could not deal with a main element of 40k. 40k mostly is about list-building and if you bring a list that cannot counter vehicles, you deserve to lose. Period.

@OP: Your opponent is a whiny loser. You are a good sportsman.

You can't spell WAAC without Korne! Alright I can't even try to make that work out. You did nothing wrong. Don't lose any sleep.

I voted Yes.

Anyone coming to a forum to complain about an opponent and badmouths them is a poor sport in my opinion. Your "objective" telling of the story would result in anyone agreeing you were the good guy and your opponent a bad sport. Which is something any mentally capable person would know before posting. As such all you are doing here is trying to get sympathy and shaming another player.

Which is a trade of a poor player.

He didn't shame anyone nobody knows who he is talking about, he's posting his concern that he did wrong while suspecting that he may not have, but instead crowd sourcing a response to help confirm or disprove whether he has broken 40k etiquette. If what he did on the day was TFG to you then by all means tick yes, the simple act of asking is no crime.

Also, if he did something wrong, but doesn't know what it was, how is he supposed to fix it without asking?

Tricky for the other guy to get involved in this discussion and tell his side though. He could potentially suffer some loss of respect or whatever here if he identiefies hiself by posting in the thread.

The other guy is very unlikely to post anything. I don't believe he uses dakka anymore.

If he is lurking though, I'd like him to tell his half of the story too. I was there and only saw the aftermath (ie, the guy having a go at our OP and then storming off)

But it isn't the first time something like this has happened with the opponent in question, I can vouch for that

didn't read; voted yes

DutchSage wrote:I voted Yes.

Anyone coming to a forum to complain about an opponent and badmouths them is a poor sport in my opinion. Your "objective" telling of the story would result in anyone agreeing you were the good guy and your opponent a bad sport. Which is something any mentally capable person would know before posting. As such all you are doing here is trying to get sympathy and shaming another player.

Which is a trade of a poor player.

SHUPPET wrote:He didn't shame anyone nobody knows who he is talking about, he's posting his concern that he did wrong while suspecting that he may not have, but instead crowd sourcing a response to help confirm or disprove whether he has broken 40k etiquette. If what he did on the day was TFG to you then by all means tick yes, the simple act of asking is no crime.

It also seems like the guy shamed the OP and then the OP said, "hey, I'll go on Dakka and prove that I'm not being a TFG here, okay?" Yes, we could probably do with another perspective to balance things out, but from the OP's side of things, he does not strike us as a WAAC player by any means. His only questionable action was bringing more armour than originally intended, but this is counter-balanced by allowing his opponent to run a much more powerful armoured vehicle (the knight). You could also argue that the sorcerer was heresy if you're a fluff-player I suppose.

But based on the answers of the people admitting to saying yes, they seem to be largely trolls.

DutchSage wrote:
I voted Yes.

Anyone coming to a forum to complain about an opponent and badmouths them is a poor sport in my opinion. Your "objective" telling of the story would result in anyone agreeing you were the good guy and your opponent a bad sport. Which is something any mentally capable person would know before posting. As such all you are doing here is trying to get sympathy and shaming another player.

Which is a trade of a poor player.

 happygolucky wrote:
Ok so I understand this is a very unusual title for a thread, however this is a thread my opponent requested me to post up from Saturday just gone.

Literally the first sentence...The other guy asked him to.

going into a game that your list is poorly perpared to handle and how you deal with it is a big part of how you prove your sportsmanship in 40k IMHO, cause everyone has on occasion put together a less then ideal list and lost against an army that by happenstance is a solid counter to it.

First of all, sorry for the wall of text. Unfortunately it comes down to a straight question of who the Posters believe

Your version is that we agreed to take vehicles

My version is that we agreed no vehicles apart from a Contemptor Dreadnought which would be countered by a single Dreadknight in my list.

You are asking posters to believe that after playing for so long I forgot to take any special weapons, dedicated transport or any anti-armour apart from 2 hammers and a power fist. I had available 5 Dreadnoughts, 3 Drop Pods, 5 Landraiders, 8 Rhinos, 12 Psycannons, about 10 hammers and every possible combination of Long fangs

You and I were in conversation and you mentioned that you were tired of seeing your assault based units being shot up or blocked by hard counters like MSS. I agreed with you to play a themed list of only assault units the next Saturday.

To avoid a shooting war I said we should take no special weapons and the max range of weapons would be 24 inches. Everything was to be decided in the assault phase. I built a list to this framework with the highest strength ranged weapon being the Heavy Incinerator

You could have contacted me anytime during the week to say you wanted to use your vehicles, all of which I played many times and have always been happy with. You have ample units to cover there loss in Terminators, Warp talons & Daemon Princes.

You fail to mention in you posts we had agreed a 10:30 start as time was tight and you knew I was working that afternoon. You turned up at 11.10 with no explanation or apology.

You fail to mention what the other 3 gamers said about you list compared to my narrative battle list you had specifically wanted.

Neither I or anyone else called you TFG, WAAC or “worst gamer ever”

I never said you wasted my weekend; pushing little plastic men across a board is a small part of my life. What I did say was that you wasted my only chance to get a game in that weekend.

After you started to deploy I reminded you of our agreement on lists, you could have changed it at that point but you didn’t. In retrospect that’s when I should have said it would be pointless carrying on with my list. Instead it was up to me to change my list. The only thing I had was my sons Knight Errant he was going to paint. I didn’t want to play it but you wouldn’t change your list.

So I was left with a list I didn’t want to play against an opponent who had ignored the agreed themed list constrictions and then turned up late. I saw one glimmer of hope for a fair game which was to land my single ranged high strength weapon on target and either immobilise the Slaughterer or take the gun off the Despoiler. It didn’t so I conceded, went home and relaxed for 2 hours before work while my kids played X-wing.

My basic list was level 3 librarian with 10 GK terminators, 1 Strike squad of 10, 1 Dreadknight with sword and heavy incinerator. Wolf Lord on TWC with 6 TWC. And 2 squads of Blood Claws one attached power fist. As close as possible to the agreed list format. 1 squad of BloodClaws and the Strike Squad were removed to fit the Errant in.

I refuse to get into a he said/she said argument so I wont post again on this topic. I also voted no to you being the worst player as I have always enjoyed playing you up until this point

 Hesh_Tank_On wrote:
First of all, sorry for the wall of text. Unfortunately it comes down to a straight question of who the Posters believe

Your version is that we agreed to take vehicles

My version is that we agreed no vehicles apart from a Contemptor Dreadnought which would be countered by a single Dreadknight in my list.

You are asking posters to believe that after playing for so long I forgot to take any special weapons, dedicated transport or any anti-armour apart from 2 hammers and a power fist. I had available 5 Dreadnoughts, 3 Drop Pods, 5 Landraiders, 8 Rhinos, 12 Psycannons, about 10 hammers and every possible combination of Long fangs

You and I were in conversation and you mentioned that you were tired of seeing your assault based units being shot up or blocked by hard counters like MSS. I agreed with you to play a themed list of only assault units the next Saturday.

To avoid a shooting war I said we should take no special weapons and the max range of weapons would be 24 inches. Everything was to be decided in the assault phase. I built a list to this framework with the highest strength ranged weapon being the Heavy Incinerator

You could have contacted me anytime during the week to say you wanted to use your vehicles, all of which I played many times and have always been happy with. You have ample units to cover there loss in Terminators, Warp talons & Daemon Princes.

You fail to mention in you posts we had agreed a 10:30 start as time was tight and you knew I was working that afternoon. You turned up at 11.10 with no explanation or apology.

You fail to mention what the other 3 gamers said about you list compared to my narrative battle list you had specifically wanted.

Neither I or anyone else called you TFG, WAAC or “worst gamer ever”

I never said you wasted my weekend; pushing little plastic men across a board is a small part of my life. What I did say was that you wasted my only chance to get a game in that weekend.

After you started to deploy I reminded you of our agreement on lists, you could have changed it at that point but you didn’t. In retrospect that’s when I should have said it would be pointless carrying on with my list. Instead it was up to me to change my list. The only thing I had was my sons Knight Errant he was going to paint. I didn’t want to play it but you wouldn’t change your list.

So I was left with a list I didn’t want to play against an opponent who had ignored the agreed themed list constrictions and then turned up late. I saw one glimmer of hope for a fair game which was to land my single ranged high strength weapon on target and either immobilise the Slaughterer or take the gun off the Despoiler. It didn’t so I conceded, went home and relaxed for 2 hours before work while my kids played X-wing.

My basic list was level 3 librarian with 10 GK terminators, 1 Strike squad of 10, 1 Dreadknight with sword and heavy incinerator. Wolf Lord on TWC with 6 TWC. And 2 squads of Blood Claws one attached power fist. As close as possible to the agreed list format. 1 squad of BloodClaws and the Strike Squad were removed to fit the Errant in.

I refuse to get into a he said/she said argument so I wont post again on this topic. I also voted no to you being the worst player as I have always enjoyed playing you up until this point

Wow well said. I guess everything really does have two sides to the story. /thread let it die now

 Hesh_Tank_On wrote:
First of all, sorry for the wall of text. Unfortunately it comes down to a straight question of who the Posters believe

Your version is that we agreed to take vehicles

My version is that we agreed no vehicles apart from a Contemptor Dreadnought which would be countered by a single Dreadknight in my list.

If this was the case then I do apologise, I do remember talking about armour the Saturday before and I remember talking about my Vindicator as well, I also remember asking about armour and you did reply by saying that you did have hammer, if I remember correctly we were talking about the Gorkanought and then onto armour and you said that you did have hammers.

You are asking posters to believe that after playing for so long I forgot to take any special weapons, dedicated transport or any anti-armour apart from 2 hammers and a power fist. I had available 5 Dreadnoughts, 3 Drop Pods, 5 Landraiders, 8 Rhinos, 12 Psycannons, about 10 hammers and every possible combination of Long fangs

Nope, I never said that at all, I am not asking posters to believe anything, what I am asking the posters is was my list OTT as you had described it as not being friendly..

You and I were in conversation and you mentioned that you were tired of seeing your assault based units being shot up or blocked by hard counters like MSS. I agreed with you to play a themed list of only assault units the next Saturday.

Yes and so did I, I did not bring gunlines only melee-focussed units.

To avoid a shooting war I said we should take no special weapons and the max range of weapons would be 24 inches. Everything was to be decided in the assault phase. I built a list to this framework with the highest strength ranged weapon being the Heavy Incinerator

And so did I, with the exception of the Defiler which would not be firing its battle cannon, instead just running

You could have contacted me anytime during the week to say you wanted to use your vehicles, all of which I played many times and have always been happy with. You have ample units to cover there loss in Terminators, Warp talons & Daemon Princes.

Yes however as with the first point, I tried to contain to my self-conventions and as I have just said, I thought we had agreed on armour as you said you would have hammers. I did contemplate about bringing terminators however I decided against it as it contradicted Convention 1 and I also thought they would have been harder to kill than my armour.

You fail to mention in you posts we had agreed a 10:30 start as time was tight and you knew I was working that afternoon. You turned up at 11.10 with no explanation or apology.

If we did then I do apologise, I cannot recall anything about a time to start and I knew my lift that picks me up comes at around 11 due to giving other people lifts before picking me up so if I did not apologise then that was not me being rude, that was because I simply did not know, so if we did have an agreement time then I will apologise

You fail to mention what the other 3 gamers said about you list compared to my narrative battle list you had specifically wanted.

That is because I cannot recall anyone comparing our lists other than the WM/H player with light jest

Neither I or anyone else called you TFG, WAAC or “worst gamer ever”

You did heavily imply that I was though by saying that "I do not care about others" and that "my list was not friendly" implying that I just wanted to table my opponent when in fact it was the opposite, all I wanted to do was just chuck some dice in a game and forget about he week I had.

I never said you wasted my weekend; pushing little plastic men across a board is a small part of my life. What I did say was that you wasted my only chance to get a game in that weekend.

And I agree in terms that it is only a small part of my life as well.

After you started to deploy I reminded you of our agreement on lists, you could have changed it at that point but you didn’t. In retrospect that’s when I should have said it would be pointless carrying on with my list. Instead it was up to me to change my list. The only thing I had was my sons Knight Errant he was going to paint. I didn’t want to play it but you wouldn’t change your list.

That was because I had nothing else to change to. All you saw on the table was all I had. If you requested for me to change my list then I would have, but I would have requested to change the point limit to a smaller game. I also did say that you could have added an extra 500pts at the time you conceded as well, thinking that 500pts could have given you more anti-tank, and as I had said I could not have cared at all about winning or losing to me it was just a game to me.

So I was left with a list I didn’t want to play against an opponent who had ignored the agreed themed list constrictions and then turned up late. I saw one glimmer of hope for a fair game which was to land my single ranged high strength weapon on target and either immobilise the Slaughterer or take the gun off the Despoiler. It didn’t so I conceded, went home and relaxed for 2 hours before work while my kids played X-wing.

And as I had said you could have added 500pts to your list afterall I really did think 500pts could have given you more anti-tank that you said you were missing from your list and I thought that could have helped you enjoy the game more, as I have said and will say again I did not care about winning or losing all I wanted to do was just throw some dice.

I refuse to get into a he said/she said argument so I wont post again on this topic. I also voted no to you being the worst player as I have always enjoyed playing you up until this point

I also agree that I also refuse to go into an argument over plastic soldiers. This was a thread asking what I had done wrong if I had done anything wrong.

I do respect that you did post this up, it has helped understand what had puzzled me on that Saturday, however as I have said I really did not think my list was that bad. In retrospect looking at it now I thought I had handicapped myself with my list. Yes I did take armour however the armour I did take did handicap many of my own units such as the Rhino, which is considered the weakest transport in the game and easy takings for first blood would also stop my Berserkers from assault the turn they disembarked and combined with the speed of the rhino made me think that you could have assaulted quicker into my line. fight on fight. The other vehicles were just going to run into the closest armoured unit on the table at the time of the game commencing, because I was just going to run them knowing the position on the table they were on and knowing that most of their LoS was blocked so running them seemed to me to be a fun option of getting them into combat. The sorcerer was only for infantry to fight and I did not think Bloodletters were going to be an issue for a narrative game.

Like I say I could have understood well if I brought 3 land raiders right into you or created a gunline army and set that up against you, But I really did not think my list was going to be an issue for you so I apologise if it was that much of a problem to you, like I say I did not care about winning or losing as I just wanted to play a game. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I also agree with Shuppet, to let the thread die now and asking all other Dakka members to let the thread just fade away..

Mods, can you lock please?