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SirSertile wrote: It's a funny mental image of like a billion guardsman all in a line chanting and firing their lasguns. Even noise marines would go deaf.
Lasers are silent.
Not in 40K they aren't. They are described as having a hiss-crack sound, partially due to super-heating the air they pass through and the collapse of that vacuum when the beam/bolt (lasguns are variably described as either) has passed through or ceased existing.
Which makes perfect sense given that they fire small bursts of laser light rather than a continuous beam.
Basically, the sound is similar to that of thunder-- the rapid expansion of instantly-heated ionized air.
Except on a much smaller scale, of course.
Uh, yes, lasers are indeed silent. The only sound should be the superheated explosion of the target following a las shot.
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.”
Uh, yes, lasers are indeed silent. The only sound should be the superheated explosion of the target following a las shot.
In 40K, they aren't.
40K doesn't give a gak what your RL lasers sound like. 40K lasers go hiss-crack, pew-pew, zort-zort, bzzzzaaap (lascannon) and like this:
Which however is either just the sound of the gun's inner mechanics itself or, as lasers are as close to instantaneous as you can get without going quantum, is just the sound of it immediately hitting the target.
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.”
Which however is either just the sound of the gun's inner mechanics itself or, as lasers are as close to instantaneous as you can get without going quantum, is just the sound of it immediately hitting the target.
RL physics and science really don't have a place in 40K, not in the face of the Rule of Cool. We have several descriptions of las-gun bolts (not beams) travelling at sub-light speeds that permit lucky individuals to dodge them, and of the bolts (like the blasters of Star Wars) deflecting off solid surfaces (like the walls of Hinzerhaus), and the sound of their discharge being described as an audible hiss-crack.
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Which however is either just the sound of the gun's inner mechanics itself or, as lasers are as close to instantaneous as you can get without going quantum, is just the sound of it immediately hitting the target.
RL physics and science really don't have a place in 40K, not in the face of the Rule of Cool. We have several descriptions of las-gun bolts (not beams) travelling at sub-light speeds that permit lucky individuals to dodge them, and of the bolts (like the blasters of Star Wars) deflecting off solid surfaces (like the walls of Hinzerhaus), and the sound of their discharge being described as an audible hiss-crack.
We have seen examples of Custodes waving their halberds around with such skill that they deflected all incoming lasfire by swatting it aside.
That's saying something, both about the Custodes and the lasers.
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Yeah, but those weapons were a failure because they completely ditched the normal charge a bullet uses and were 100% rocket. This meant they left the barrel at very low speeds and were thus inaccurate.
A bolt round is basically a normal bullet + rocket. Not a bullet sized rocket like the Gyrojet was.
I think the bolter round may be even more stupid than the Gyrojet in terms of inefficient designs though.
If you're going to have a normal bullet + rocket, it's much easier to just make a better normal bullet, unless you want the rocket's ability to be redirected (think arrow shells vs WWII shells).
Since the SM don't seem to hit people hiding behind a corner, I'll assume that was just another dumb idea
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The rocket grants it greater range and flight-stability. This gets around the need for a larger initial powder-charge, which in turn requires stronger materials of the weapon's construction to prevent the chamber from exploding.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
Which however is either just the sound of the gun's inner mechanics itself or, as lasers are as close to instantaneous as you can get without going quantum, is just the sound of it immediately hitting the target.
RL physics and science really don't have a place in 40K, not in the face of the Rule of Cool. We have several descriptions of las-gun bolts (not beams) travelling at sub-light speeds that permit lucky individuals to dodge them, and of the bolts (like the blasters of Star Wars) deflecting off solid surfaces (like the walls of Hinzerhaus), and the sound of their discharge being described as an audible hiss-crack.
We have seen examples of Custodes waving their halberds around with such skill that they deflected all incoming lasfire by swatting it aside.
That's saying something, both about the Custodes and the lasers.
Either those weren't real lasers or Custodes have precog. Otherwise they'd kill everyone around them by moving their limbs at FTL speeds.
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.”
Which however is either just the sound of the gun's inner mechanics itself or, as lasers are as close to instantaneous as you can get without going quantum, is just the sound of it immediately hitting the target.
RL physics and science really don't have a place in 40K, not in the face of the Rule of Cool. We have several descriptions of las-gun bolts (not beams) travelling at sub-light speeds that permit lucky individuals to dodge them, and of the bolts (like the blasters of Star Wars) deflecting off solid surfaces (like the walls of Hinzerhaus), and the sound of their discharge being described as an audible hiss-crack.
We have seen examples of Custodes waving their halberds around with such skill that they deflected all incoming lasfire by swatting it aside.
That's saying something, both about the Custodes and the lasers.
Either those weren't real lasers or Custodes have precog. Otherwise they'd kill everyone around them by moving their limbs at FTL speeds.
It's like dodging las-shots, you doge away form where the person is aiming. Works the same with guns for us because bullets move so fast.
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Yeah, its literally impossible to actually dodge a bullet. But you can doge the aim of a bullet because you just need to react faster than the guy with the gun.
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The First Heretic wrote:Everything was in motion to an exacting standard – each twist of the spear haft brought the blade up to block las-fire or down to cut flesh…
A clunk, a click, and the weapon was reloaded. Sythran rose again, already cutting the air with grand sweeps, batting aside the streaking laser fire.
Sythran leapt his cadaver barricade and met them head on. They fell in pieces, and beyond a las-burn along his shoulder guard, the blood on his blade was the only evidence he’d even been fighting.
Lasguns make a noise when they fire- and no it's not the sound of it vaporizing fluff.
In Necropolis, Abnett describes how, during the siege of Vervunhive, a continuous buzzing sound that can be heard from anywhere in the 100+ mile wide Hive is what it sounds like to hear millions of Lasguns being discharged continuously, so many of them that there is no discernible break in the noise.
Lasguns make noise in 40K, and there's noise in space in Star Wars.
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Psienesis wrote: The rocket grants it greater range and flight-stability. This gets around the need for a larger initial powder-charge, which in turn requires stronger materials of the weapon's construction to prevent the chamber from exploding.
It doesn't work like that.
You'll get a lot more range and flight stability from a high velocity projectile than from a rocket, at a hundredth of the cost and without any powder charge issues.
Which however is either just the sound of the gun's inner mechanics itself or, as lasers are as close to instantaneous as you can get without going quantum, is just the sound of it immediately hitting the target.
RL physics and science really don't have a place in 40K, not in the face of the Rule of Cool. We have several descriptions of las-gun bolts (not beams) travelling at sub-light speeds that permit lucky individuals to dodge them, and of the bolts (like the blasters of Star Wars) deflecting off solid surfaces (like the walls of Hinzerhaus), and the sound of their discharge being described as an audible hiss-crack.
We have seen examples of Custodes waving their halberds around with such skill that they deflected all incoming lasfire by swatting it aside.
That's saying something, both about the Custodes and the lasers.
Either those weren't real lasers or Custodes have precog. Otherwise they'd kill everyone around them by moving their limbs at FTL speeds.
It's like dodging las-shots, you doge away form where the person is aiming. Works the same with guns for us because bullets move so fast.
He didn't doge them, he specifically deflected them.
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That is something that has always pissed my off about the bolter. The bolt will hit the ground before it slows down enough to matter. The explosive is a good choice, but it would be better if the area that the rocket fuel took up was replaced with more explosive.
Which however is either just the sound of the gun's inner mechanics itself or, as lasers are as close to instantaneous as you can get without going quantum, is just the sound of it immediately hitting the target.
RL physics and science really don't have a place in 40K, not in the face of the Rule of Cool. We have several descriptions of las-gun bolts (not beams) travelling at sub-light speeds that permit lucky individuals to dodge them, and of the bolts (like the blasters of Star Wars) deflecting off solid surfaces (like the walls of Hinzerhaus), and the sound of their discharge being described as an audible hiss-crack.
We have seen examples of Custodes waving their halberds around with such skill that they deflected all incoming lasfire by swatting it aside.
That's saying something, both about the Custodes and the lasers.
Either those weren't real lasers or Custodes have precog. Otherwise they'd kill everyone around them by moving their limbs at FTL speeds.
It's like dodging las-shots, you doge away form where the person is aiming. Works the same with guns for us because bullets move so fast.
He didn't doge them, he specifically deflected them.
Think about it for a second. He reacted to whoever was shooting by getting his weapon infrnt of where the shot would land before the bullet was fired. The dodging was on;y there because it was similar.
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Psienesis wrote: The rocket grants it greater range and flight-stability. This gets around the need for a larger initial powder-charge, which in turn requires stronger materials of the weapon's construction to prevent the chamber from exploding.
It doesn't work like that.
You'll get a lot more range and flight stability from a high velocity projectile than from a rocket, at a hundredth of the cost and without any powder charge issues.
A bolter is more simular to a frag 12 round then a gyrojet round. The best modern equivelent to a bolter is a Siaga 12 (with full auto) firing Frag 12 rounds.
A bolter is not a high powered sniper rifle. Instead a bolter is a brutal weapon designed to inflict maximum damage, both physical and psychological on the enemy.
Stonerhino wrote: A bolter is more simular to a frag 12 round then a gyrojet round. The best modern equivelent to a bolter is a Siaga 12 (with full auto) firing Frag 12 rounds.
A bolter is not a high powered sniper rifle. Instead a bolter is a brutal weapon designed to inflict maximum damage, both physical and psychological on the enemy.
I agree that one of the most efficient ways to deal massive damage is by tweaking the bullet's shape, as you get any kind of rotation / frag you're looking for without spending anything else than the already acquired momentum.
But honestly, those frag12 are competing with other ridiculously expensive rounds, and I don't expect them to win.
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Psienesis wrote: The rocket grants it greater range and flight-stability. This gets around the need for a larger initial powder-charge, which in turn requires stronger materials of the weapon's construction to prevent the chamber from exploding.
It doesn't work like that.
You'll get a lot more range and flight stability from a high velocity projectile than from a rocket, at a hundredth of the cost and without any powder charge issues.
A bolter is more simular to a frag 12 round then a gyrojet round. The best modern equivelent to a bolter is a Siaga 12 (with full auto) firing Frag 12 rounds.
A bolter is not a high powered sniper rifle. Instead a bolter is a brutal weapon designed to inflict maximum damage, both physical and psychological on the enemy.
No it isn't, a bolter is a .75 caliber "bullet" the same size of stuff that is used in Anti-Aircraft cannons.The closest thing to it would be a fully automatic version of the NTW-20 and other large anti materiel rifles.
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Psienesis wrote: The rocket grants it greater range and flight-stability. This gets around the need for a larger initial powder-charge, which in turn requires stronger materials of the weapon's construction to prevent the chamber from exploding.
It doesn't work like that.
You'll get a lot more range and flight stability from a high velocity projectile than from a rocket, at a hundredth of the cost and without any powder charge issues.
A bolter is more simular to a frag 12 round then a gyrojet round. The best modern equivelent to a bolter is a Siaga 12 (with full auto) firing Frag 12 rounds.
A bolter is not a high powered sniper rifle. Instead a bolter is a brutal weapon designed to inflict maximum damage, both physical and psychological on the enemy.
No it isn't, a bolter is a .75 caliber "bullet" the same size of stuff that is used in Anti-Aircraft cannons.The closest thing to it would be a fully automatic version of the NTW-20 and other large anti materiel rifles.
Looks likes a bolter and fires rocket propelled grenades. Ya sure; a completely different type of weapon system is a better choice based soley on bullet size.
A bolt isn't a gyrojet round. It's a two-stage bullet, using an initial powder charge to push it down the barrel (and provide lethal velocity at the muzzle) with rocket-assisted flight that provides greater range and flight stability.
It has an armor-piercing head and is packed with a mass-reactive explosive. It doesn't blow up until it's inside of you, where all the meaty bits are. So it punches through your armor, gets inside your chest, and then explodes. Your heart and lungs do not appreciate this. Not one bit.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
Psienesis wrote: The rocket grants it greater range and flight-stability. This gets around the need for a larger initial powder-charge, which in turn requires stronger materials of the weapon's construction to prevent the chamber from exploding.
It doesn't work like that.
You'll get a lot more range and flight stability from a high velocity projectile than from a rocket, at a hundredth of the cost and without any powder charge issues.
A bolter is more simular to a frag 12 round then a gyrojet round. The best modern equivelent to a bolter is a Siaga 12 (with full auto) firing Frag 12 rounds.
A bolter is not a high powered sniper rifle. Instead a bolter is a brutal weapon designed to inflict maximum damage, both physical and psychological on the enemy.
No it isn't, a bolter is a .75 caliber "bullet" the same size of stuff that is used in Anti-Aircraft cannons.The closest thing to it would be a fully automatic version of the NTW-20 and other large anti materiel rifles.
Looks likes a bolter and fires rocket propelled grenades. Ya sure; a completely different type of weapon system is a better choice based soley on bullet size.
You know nothing about firearms if you think a bolter is at all similar to a Frag 12. Bolters bear much more similarity to incendiary 20mm rounds and HEAT. The closest thing to bolters in real life would be if we scaled down HEAT to fit in a .75 "bullet" and made it fully automatic. The XM25 bears more similarity to a bolter then a SAIGA 12.
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