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I agree on the points- there's a ton of over priced stuff.

5 man tac squad though are a great way to hand vp to your opponent.

Not for a moment am I saying they're an optimal choice, but it'd be nice to have the option of taking them.

5 guys with a missile launcher is 80 points using C:SM prices and while that's not going to be a first choice unit, if you're looking to relatively cheaply plug a gap at the end of your list building, then it's not bad.

Plus it means tactical squads not numbering 10 marines can actually be useful. Say you wanted to put some in a pod or another transport and make room for a character, the way it is at the moment a 9 man squad cannot have a special or a heavy weapon. With this change they could have one of those and make themselves a bit more useful.

Heh. With this uncertainty about who's next it feels like BA and Crons are racing.

Really looking forward to a new BA dex, I'm tempted to drop the cash for the Limited edition when it's appears.

D

As they are "Bros" Its going to be a combined Codex - Blood Angels and Necrons

Something like Bloodcrons or Necangels

Except there are also lots of supplements that you actually need to use the Codex

I find it rather odd that Mephy would be inducted into the Hall of Warlords as he would be the only usable Psyker that the BA have ... we shall see as the rumours come about.

If only for completeness we'll put this here...


... fake IMO, font etc not quite right.

Nice effort though.

 reds8n wrote:
If only for completeness we'll put this here...


... fake IMO, font etc not quite right.

Nice effort though.

Yeah doesn't seem quite right to me. And not having a single character as the focus of the image is a little off as well...

 OIIIIIIO wrote:
I find it rather odd that Mephy would be inducted into the Hall of Warlords as he would be the only usable Psyker that the BA have ... we shall see as the rumours come about.

You know they're not going to do away with our other psyker options, right? Just because a standard Libby can't go toe to toe with a Daemon Prince or a Tyranid gribbly doesn't mean they're not usable, they just have a different role. Once they're points drop to vanilla marine levels they'll be much better value for their supporting role.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How do people feel about beloved Special Characters getting turned into LoW, something a lot of people feel uncomfortable about (more out of perception than out of anything practical)?

I'm not a fan but I don't like superheavies and gargantuan creatures in "normal" 40k which is the core reason at least initially. I don't think Draigo and a titan should be competing for the same slot as they're not remotely similar in terms of power and abilities. 40k is so messed up right now that their isn't a point in complaining about something relatively minor as special characters going LOW. I'd be more worried about them simply cutting characters from the book.

 warboss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How do people feel about beloved Special Characters getting turned into LoW, something a lot of people feel uncomfortable about (more out of perception than out of anything practical)?

I'm not a fan but I don't like superheavies and gargantuan creatures which is the core reason at least initially. I don't think Draigo and a titan should be competing for the same slot as they're not remotely similar in terms of power and abilities. 40k is so messed up right now that their isn't a point in complaining about something relatively minor as special characters going LOW. I'd be more worried about them simply cutting characters from the book.

True, but with Characters taking up a LOW slot, you will be seeing less things like Baneblades.

Unless of course they decide to go the DE route and just delete almost all of your characters, and then also leave out your LOW

Just sayin'

Personally i wouldn't mind a BA retool. I don't play them, but i have friends that do.

Just have to hope they aren't as insipid as the 7th codex have been so far...

Apart from Vect the only characters who've disappeared from the last couple of codices are ones that don't have models.

Every BA character has a model, so they should be safe. (Even if those models are ancient and in the awful finecast).

Chances of the codex not being as bland and insipid as all the other 7th ed. codices is rather low; the pattern has been established.

Chances of the Death Company beng moved to a seperate Supplement for another £30?

They wouldn't dare move such an iconic unit from the main codex.

However, HQ's have been losing their Force Organisation shenanigans, so Astorath will no longer enable you to field a Death Company army. Similarly I fully expect Sanguinary Guard to no longer be troops if you use Dante.

If you had a Death Company army or a Sanguinary Guard army (good old 'nipple-wing'), I fully expect you to have to buy the inevitable supplement if you want to keep playing them outside of Unbound, but you will be restricted to two daft and sub-optimal formations.

sockwithaticket wrote:
Apart from Vect the only characters who've disappeared from the last couple of codices are ones that don't have models.

Every BA character has a model, so they should be safe. (Even if those models are ancient and in the awful finecast).

You mean like sly marbo? He had a model and was cut from the IG book and that model was newer and more dynamic than some of the one piece two dimensional 2nd edition BA sculpts. My guess is that they'll redo Mephiston, keep Dante the same, and dump Tycho.

 warboss wrote:

sockwithaticket wrote:
Apart from Vect the only characters who've disappeared from the last couple of codices are ones that don't have models.

Every BA character has a model, so they should be safe. (Even if those models are ancient and in the awful finecast).

You mean like sly marbo? He had a model and was cut from the IG book and that model was newer and more dynamic than some of the one piece two dimensional 2nd edition BA sculpts. My guess is that they'll redo Mephiston, keep Dante the same, and dump Tycho.

I said last couple of codices. Couple = 2. The last two codices are Dark Eldar and Grey Knights, about which my comment is accurate.


The IG book and it's lost characters are a bit of a special case. Correct me if I'm wrong but the characters cut were Al-Rahmen, Sly Marbo and Harker? Now as far as I know (again, please correct me if I'm wrong), while all three of those had models, they never made the transition to finecast and were still metal? If my info is right, then they were dropped because GW didn't want to keep up production of the metal miniatures and were not interested in changing them to finecast given that they seem to have given up on new releases in that material, too (that's not me saying it will disappear, just that we no longer get new models in or old models converted to and going forwards this will continue to be the case).

sockwithaticket wrote:


I said last couple of codices. Couple = 2. The last two codices are Dark Eldar and Grey Knights, about which my comment is accurate.


The IG book and it's lost characters are a bit of a special case. Correct me if I'm wrong but the characters cut were Al-Rahmen, Sly Marbo and Harker? Now as far as I know (again, please correct me if I'm wrong), while all three of those had models, they never made the transition to finecast and were still metal? If my info is right, then they were dropped because GW didn't want to keep up production of the metal miniatures and were not interested in changing them to finecast given that they seem to have given up on new releases in that material, too (that's not me saying it will disappear, just that we no longer get new models in or old models converted to and going forwards this will continue to be the case).

"Couple" can mean two but it does not automatically mean two.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/couple

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/couple

In any case, the precedent for cutting MORE modern sculpts with the current style codex books is there. Whether or not GW decides to continue it or not is simply a guess.

I really hope they don't cut Tycho, he's my favourite!

D

 evildrcheese wrote:
I really hope they don't cut Tycho, he's my favourite!

D

I hope so as well but if I had to pick from the old sculpts which one would be most likely to go then he would be it. I've got a model converted to be him so I'd rather not lose the access as well and have to turn him into yet another generic captain.

 warboss wrote:


"Couple" can mean two but it does not automatically mean two.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/couple

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/couple

In any case, the precedent for cutting MORE modern sculpts with the current style codex books is there. Whether or not GW decides to continue it or not is simply a guess.

Can't say I've ever heard it used to mean more than two, but fair enough.


The modernity of sculpts is not a deciding factor in whether a model is dropped, though. it's the material of production. If the model already existed in finecast prior to the point that GW stopped producing new finecast models/converting metal models to finecast ( like the entire BA character range), then they survive. The IG codex came out after this point and so existing metal models not getting new plastic models were not going to make the transition.

There is a pattern established with the characters GW removes from their books, so, while we might be guessing at what they do in the future, it is possible to make an educated guess.

In accordance with what they've done previously I cannot see them cutting any of Dante, Seth, Tycho, Astorath, Sanguinor, Lemartes, Corbulo or Mephiston.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Chances of the Death Company beng moved to a seperate Supplement for another £30?

that's not really how the new supplements seem to work, so you shouldn't be afraid.

I also think Astoroths ability will be safe or they'll just remove the entire limit.. both is awesome!
or we might see a super-combat squad!

 sockwithaticket wrote:
They wouldn't dare move such an iconic unit from the main codex.

However, HQ's have been losing their Force Organisation shenanigans, so Astorath will no longer enable you to field a Death Company army. Similarly I fully expect Sanguinary Guard to no longer be troops if you use Dante.

If you had a Death Company army or a Sanguinary Guard army (good old 'nipple-wing'), I fully expect you to have to buy the inevitable supplement if you want to keep playing them outside of Unbound, but you will be restricted to two daft and sub-optimal formations.

On that we agree. I'd expect one of those to be the most likely culprit for a supplement codex to be released within a month of the main codex (likely Death Co). It did have its own army list in White Dwarf back in 3rd edition so it wouldn't be the first time if they chose that route. I'm at 50/50 whether any second codex supplement would be a successor or Sanguinary Guard. I'm leaning a bit towards successor as I don't think (and it's just a guess so apply salt as needed) they'd remove the Sang Guard as troops rule from Dante.

A pure Death Company supplement wouldn't surprise me at all, but they wouldn't remove Death Company from the BA dex. That'd be like removing the Deathwing and/or Ravenwing from the DA codex. They're central to the army as a whole.

 Brother SRM wrote:
A pure Death Company supplement wouldn't surprise me at all, but they wouldn't remove Death Company from the BA dex. That'd be like removing the Deathwing and/or Ravenwing from the DA codex. They're central to the army as a whole.

Like with LotD

The simple reason why GW has been removing the HQ Force Org changes is because, if you really want to play, say, a GK Paladin army or a BA Death Company army, then you can just use Unbound to accomplish that.

I feel like we may see a "guardians of the lord commander" supplement for nipple wing. Not making them troops, per say, but allowing you to take a force org thats like 1-2 hq, 1-6 elites, and 0-5 fast attack. Be pretty cool.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:
A pure Death Company supplement wouldn't surprise me at all, but they wouldn't remove Death Company from the BA dex. That'd be like removing the Deathwing and/or Ravenwing from the DA codex. They're central to the army as a whole.

Like with LotD

Huh? LOTD aren't central to any current army or 1st founding chapter.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:
A pure Death Company supplement wouldn't surprise me at all, but they wouldn't remove Death Company from the BA dex. That'd be like removing the Deathwing and/or Ravenwing from the DA codex. They're central to the army as a whole.

Like with LotD

Huh? LOTD aren't central to any current army or 1st founding chapter.

I meant having a single entry [two with the dread] And then a Dataslate Death Company Book giving you a Death Company Formation.

Dataslates and supplements are two different things.

Supplement being about Flesh Tearers makes sense as they are one of the better known Successors. They also have one of the highest proportion of their marines falling to the Black Rage, which would make it easy to include stuff like Death Company formations.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:
A pure Death Company supplement wouldn't surprise me at all, but they wouldn't remove Death Company from the BA dex. That'd be like removing the Deathwing and/or Ravenwing from the DA codex. They're central to the army as a whole.

Like with LotD

Huh? LOTD aren't central to any current army or 1st founding chapter.

I meant having a single entry [two with the dread] And then a Dataslate Death Company Book giving you a Death Company Formation.

While I see your point, it's an apples and oranges comparison. The legion was not in EVERY marine codex whereas the DC has been in EVERY blood angel codex. The Legion has ALWAYS been optional whereas the Death Company has frequently been mandatory (3rd, 4th, and half of 5th edition) for Blood Angel players. It is a much bigger deal if DC were removed completely to sell a subcodex. Legion, like Harlies, were optional flavor units that, while it sucks to have them taken away from certain books, were never to my knowledge a requirement for those armies contained in those books but rather a choice some folks used.