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The fluff never stated the HIgh Lods are incompetent. If anything, it takes an extremely neutral tone whenever it talks about them. (likely GW is leaving it open so the players could decide whether they want competent or incompetent high lords for their story)

TiamatRoar wrote:
The fluff never stated the HIgh Lods are incompetent. If anything, it takes an extremely neutral tone whenever it talks about them. (likely GW is leaving it open so the players could decide whether they want competent or incompetent high lords for their story)

fair enough, however the AdMech's forgetfulness and no desire to advance technology combined with the inefficiency of the AdAdmin make the High Lords look pretty bad.

What do you mean forgetfullness of the Ad Mech?

The admin is arguably inefficient POSSIBLY because:

A) The administration is incompentent

OR

B) Managing an entire friggin' GALAXY of a million worlds is something even the most competent god in the universe would have trouble doing.

OR

C) Chaos adds too many extra difficulties beyond what even the most competent god in the universe would have trouble doing.

OR

D) Something else

OR

E) Some combination of the above.



Again, the fluff leaves it open either way, always referring to the administration in neutral tones in regards to such things and very rarely blaming beaurocratic incompetence explicitly (sometimes an incompetent individual or department is mentioned, but just as often competent individuals or departments come up too. But most of the time it's in neutral tones). Again, it's (probably) up to the players to decide if WH40k is in its state because of incompetent higher ups, or because that's just the way things ARE and the higher ups are really doing their best.



The same goes for the Ad-Mech, where they are often talked about in neutral tones, and sometimes in competent tones, and other times in incompetent tones. Again, GW is purposefully making it clear that it's open for you to decide who's to blame for this cluster fudge. For every "The ad mech screwed it up" possibility, there's an equal possibility of "they had to do that or else it would have been possessed by demons and all the databanks on the thing were eaten by oh-gods-what-the-hell-is-that-thing-AAAAAAAH". A good example is the newest Knights Codex and fluff where sometimes the Ad Mech are jackasses trying to control the knights and other times they're benevolent partners or even saviors, and other times they're just neutral with each other. Another set of examples is how the Ad Mech took forever to sanctify a design of Land Raider long after the Astartes was using it (Ad Mech being bad), but the Assassins codex explicitly states that Assassin technology must be kept secret from the wider public because if it fell into the wrong hands, horrible things could be done with it (justification for their secrecy).

The fact that the highlords are (probably) so pivotal to the setting yet don't even have NAMES of the individuals is a good indication that GW is purposefully leaving them open-ended (heck, 4 of the 12 seats we aren't even told which departments are sitting in them. Just which departments probably MIGHT be sitting in them from a group of 8+ possible candidates. ...besides the Grand Abbess of the Adeptas Sororitas, whom we know isn't there. Cause GW hates sisters and wanted to include yet another "F you, sisters!" in the fluff for them Hey, a sister can be a high lord! But want a high lord sister in your present day fluff? Too bad! She's gone!)

Xenos is the threat without and many planets can go millenia without contacting a single one.

Chaos is the threat within all mankind and none can truly escape its destructive attributes...


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5th ed was extremely apprehensive of the Imperium in its BrB fluff (the artwork and story content was much darker) describing it all in vivid horror and giving the occasional glimpse into hellish existence of the common man. What's more they directly said that a lot of this specifically is the Imperium's fault and described the ministorum as something akin to "fools who will never see the Emperor they inflict horrors for." One of the things that drew me into 40k was its unforgiving look at its own universe, describing those they depict as all being horrible beings beyond any sort of redemption or sympathy.

It heaps a lot of the blame on the Imperium for letting itself give up its humanity by means of turning humanity into a badge, something they can use to create a sense of superiority in a universe that gives them no advantages. It was made it clear that the Imperium is not heroic or to be idolized. This is displayed in the 5th ed artwork to a certain degree, depicting humans as horrific beings with bionics, scars and mutations and Space Wolves as literal monsters.


Annoyingly enough everything since 6th ed is heading towards "totes not the Imperiums fault."

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
Annoyingly enough everything since 6th ed is heading towards "totes not the Imperiums fault."

I would imagine that was driven by the sheer number of players of Imperial armies not wanting to play the "bad guys".

 GreaterGoodIreland wrote:

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
Annoyingly enough everything since 6th ed is heading towards "totes not the Imperiums fault."

I would imagine that was driven by the sheer number of players of Imperial armies not wanting to play the "bad guys".

There are no good guys or bad guys. There are...

THE GRIM

THE DARK

AND THE DERP

And then there are those chaos thingies that want to you know feast on your eternal soul in exchange for some Mars bars and Snickers.

 raiden wrote:
Chaos hands down.

by a wide wide wide margin. Chaos is the enemy within. Chaos is the enemy that can strike quickly. Chaos is the enemy that posses the greatest threat.


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Chaos is also the only race solely devoted to the IoM demise.

All the Xenos dont much care if they are battling humans or someone else.

There is a resaon the Forces of Chaos are known as the Arch-Enemy to the Imperium...

 Exergy wrote:

 raiden wrote:
Chaos hands down.

by a wide wide wide margin. Chaos is the enemy within. Chaos is the enemy that can strike quickly. Chaos is the enemy that posses the greatest threat.


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Chaos is also the only race solely devoted to the IoM demise.

All the Xenos dont much care if they are battling humans or someone else.

Chaos isn't a race per se, Nor is it dedicated to the Imperium's demise, It is dedicated to Order's demise.